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2661  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: JP Morgan CEO Jamie -says "BTC is worse than Tulip Bubble" calls it a fraud on: September 13, 2017, 04:54:58 AM
I LOL'd.

Jamie Dimon and JP Morgan probably went long gold when the North Korean shenannigans started - only to find to their horror that the gold price didn't move and money seeking safety went into bitcoin instead.
2662  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What do you think about BITCOIN CASH? Will it rise to 1K again? on: September 13, 2017, 03:50:43 AM
I don't think some of the largest players in the crypto space created all of that drama and forked a coin just to let it die, because of this, I am definitely holding some bcc. Also, don't forget that Nov will have some challenges for bitcoin, I'd imagine this is when the BCC hype team will get going.

This. It all really depends on what happens in November if bitcoin forks again. If it does, then BCH has a lot of potential because it's based on the original protocol (no segwit) simply with bigger blocks.
2663  Economy / Speculation / Re: More Chinese FUD to trigger panic selling on idiots on: September 13, 2017, 02:54:43 AM
Well here is some more stuff confirming that something is up:

https://twitter.com/brucefenton/status/907683972687286272

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1/ I'm unfortunately serious about the Chinese ban on trading of Bitcoin and Ethereum along with ICOs - this has been confirmed by at least

2/ 3+ sources who I believe to be credible- I've had conversations w leading execs who are on the ground in China- Yes this time it's real

3/ so what's that mean? Well, at least for now the government of the People's Republic of China will NOT allow new trading of Bitcoin or

4/ other digital assets-- this comes from the highest levels in China - even above the PBOC - the word is not ambiguous from an exchange POV

4/ so unfortunately the exchanges are now frozen and in a wind down mode -- this is massive in China - but ultimately not for Bitcoin

5/ mining will be exempted and there are BILLIONS of dollars of wealth of Chinese citizens in Bitcoin so govt is cautious of mass revolt

6/ they will keep this low key and not issue any new statement - they don't want to look backwards or cause market meltdown

7/ but the order to ban exchange of digital assets in China is indeed real - I'm convinced that the sources I've spoken with are accurate

8/ result will be a quick period of a rising black market in China followed by more decentralized exchanges, global growth & tech solutions

9/ Chinese investors and HOLDers will quickly find a way to continue to exchange crappy govt fiat for sound money like Bitcoin

10/ it's sort of a Napster move by the Chinese govt: it will accelerate the bit torrent of Bitcoin exchange - & strengthen black market

11/ they will cave to this failure within a couple years, perhaps within a year -- many reasons: internal pressure / external competition

12/ but the ultimate pressure will be that this tech doesn't work well with regulations & honestly is very difficult to control

13/ Chinese citizens will still continue to HODL, buy, use and accumulate Bitcoin. Ultimately the govt will realize it can't stop this

The guy who wrote the above twitter thread is Bruce Fenton who is CEO of Chainstone Labs.
2664  Economy / Speculation / Re: BITCOIN DUMP - CHINESE ARE OFFLOADING... on: September 13, 2017, 02:46:25 AM
I think op better to share the contact of the man who are selling bitcoin for cheap price i'll be willing to buy to him if ever i contact and verify the price.. maybe i will buy lots of bitcoin to him because its really cheap and i can sell them right now if ever so that i can make profit and buy again in that man..
But since the post from newbie i think this is  1% true and 99% lie..
Except if he can prove that this is real someone are selling bitcoin for cheap price..

I think its obvious, coming from a newbie account. As usual FUDers trying to sell us out. But if it is true and you could provide us a proof then good for you. I'd prefer holding my bitcoin rather than selling them.

It might not be FUD. When OP opened this thread, the price was at about $4300. It's now about £4062. It's clinging to the $4000 support by it's fingertips
2665  Economy / Speculation / Re: malevolent whales intention to destroy bitcoin as store of value on: September 12, 2017, 05:07:34 PM
Central bankers in the western world have to publish their accounts, so we can see exactly what they are buying. And they haven't been buying bitcoin, they've been buying bonds (ECB and BoE), while the Fed hasn't been buying anything at all - they stopped QE in 2014.

The rise in bitcoin since August is more down to hedge funds moving into the space.

these central banks are all privately owned by people who avoid publicity, and who have amassed considerable wealth by printing money and loaning it out to governments (what a scam).  They could be doing anything with their amassed wealth without anyone knowing.

Well the Bank of England is wholly owned by the British state (has been since 1947 when it got nationalised). I think the ECB is owned by the European Union.
2666  Economy / Economics / Re: The panic seller irony on: September 12, 2017, 04:29:16 PM
I know some coworkers that sold BTC today, they are real casuals, they got into BTC because they heard it went up a lot, they don't know even to set a local wallet so they store their coins on Coinbase or wherever the fuck they buy at.

Well, they sold today at at the dip near the $4000 double bottom.

The irony is, these casuals are the ones that are always complaining about how it's unfair that BTC is distributed in the hands of few whales, YET, they are the ones that constantly panicsell and give their cheap BTC back to these same hands they are complaining about, because guess who is profiting the most on these dumps: whales. They buy lots of cheap BTC.

If you want whales to stop having so much BTC, don't panic sell or you will keep feeding them. Just focus on your own portfolio and keep stacking BTC on the dips. In the long term, we will win.

They were probably influenced by the press saying bitcoin was a bubble because it went up too fast.

Did they manage to sell for more than they bought? If so, there's no problem as at least they're happy with their profit. It's the ones who panic sell at a loss I feel sorry for.
2667  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: AML/KYC Explained on: September 12, 2017, 03:55:23 PM


Chase is getting worse with cash deposits. They now request your ID when putting cash into your own account. It's a business account, businesses take cash for work. Oddly enough if I use the ATM and do a cash deposit no ID is required. Or a night deposit.  Go to a teller and they'll need an ID. I tried to ask why big brother was so bothersome, the last teller had no idea what I was referring to by big brother.

Usually, banks institute these kind of rules when something has gone wrong - so I'm guessing they had someone deposit a bunch of cash who shouldn't have, and they got chewed over by the govt over it. The response of the bank is always to do arse-covering so that in future they can't be chewed out, and that's how these draconian rules get started.
2668  Economy / Speculation / Re: Last chance for cheap Bitcoin? on: September 12, 2017, 03:27:43 PM
Just be careful with the "buy the dip strategy. According to the following article, we're due a reversal:

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/12/bitcoin-is-the-most-crowded-investment-in-the-world-right-now.html

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In a year that has seen digital currency prices go higher not by percentages but multiples, investors are starting to worry that things have gone a bit too far.

Bitcoin is now considered the "most crowded trade," as measured by sentiment in the monthly global Bank of America Merrill Lynch Fund Managers survey. That means investors believe there are too many people on one side of the trade and it could be due for a reversal.

Bitcoin's price has surged about 330 percent this year, the beneficiary of a jump in interest for the cryptocurrency and a growing field of competitors, as well as a flight to alternative assets and, some fear, a speculative bubble.

The Merrill survey is one of the most followed and respected on Wall Street. Conducted during the week that ended Thursday, more than 200 global fund managers with at least $600 billion under management were surveyed.

2669  Economy / Speculation / Re: BITCOIN DUMP - CHINESE ARE OFFLOADING... on: September 12, 2017, 03:25:14 PM
I've picked up some extra BTC over the last couple of days, in my hometown there was a local seller on LBC - a chinese man. He said he had to dump all his coins within the next couple of days and offered me 45 BTC for $150k. I don't have 150k laying around, but i picked up 3 for 10k

he said his friends had hundreds of BTC if i was interested.

Is a monster dump on the way?

I wonder what is stopping him from dumping immediately at an international exchange. A dump might be on its way, but there is no reason why the price being transacted now should be very different from the market price of Bitcoin. What happens in the future depends on Chinese regulators.

I think the Chinese exchanges have been enforcing stringent KYCs since February (when the Chinese regulators closed them for two months to investigate them).

And I don't think they can sell them on international exchanges because they have no way to open bank accounts outside the country to withdraw the fiat to.

So it's possible that this man is selling in person to avoid any tracking by the authorities. Things are different in China than they are in the west (no fair trials, arbitrary kidnappings and arrests and so on). So a person has an incentive to keep a low profile.
2670  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Forbes thinks Swarm.Fund can bring crypto into the mainstream on: September 12, 2017, 02:58:32 PM
The article says this:

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Swarm Fund, which is holding an initial coin offering (ICO) on September 7.  Founded by early adopters and practitioners in digital currency, Swarm -- a decentralized, community marketplace built on blockchain technology -- has the mission of helping the market enter the mainstream in at least three ways.

The first way: how Swarm will help small investors use digital tokens to invest in real-world assets that are largely inaccessible to them -- for example, real estate.

Two things: Swarm is just another ICO.

And it's not hard for people to invest in real estate - if you can't buy a house on your own, there are plenty of property based mutual funds you can invest small amounts into. What's more those mutual funds are regulated.

So no, I don't think this will "bring crypto into the mainstream". It's just another ICO with a weak proposition.
2671  Economy / Speculation / Re: Looking for Advice on Making an Investment on: September 12, 2017, 02:53:07 PM
My main recommendation is never involve your friends when it comes to finances. Why were you trying to convince him? How much does he understand?

If it goes down it's your fault. If it goes up it's your fault for not making him buy more. If he gets hacked then it's your fault for involving him.

Let him do more of his own reading and make his own decision. I'd be discouraging people from getting involved myself and certainly not leading them to it.

I understand. I have done exactly what you suggested. I convinced him to learn more about crypto and he made his own decision to invest. We're also in mutual understanding that he must only invest what he is ready to lose. So when he puts 2000 USD into it, he is very well prepared to lose it all (if that ever happens, lol). I am nowhere to be blamed. I am just walking him through the process.

Are you sure you are just trying to walk him through the process? It sounds very much like you are telling him what coins to buy and what amounts/percentages.

Instead just let him make up his own mind.
2672  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Big blockers exposed: $500,000 moved with a $5 cents fee on: September 12, 2017, 02:49:18 PM
This is a little bit misleading as the transaction fee is not a function of the value of the transaction, it is a function of the number of input and outputs. So this just is a transaction which has confirmed with a 5 cent fee, the $500,000 value is just incidental to the transaction. The block size debate has not gone away, it has just been postponed till the number of transactions increase and the blocks start getting full again.

This. Anyone who has a lot of small inputs in their wallet  - people who have tips, earnings from gambling sites and mini jobs, will end up paying huge fees to move the coins, while those with a single input of a large amount will pay hardly anything.

It's not as bitcoin was advertised originally, was it?
2673  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Only 802 People Paid Taxes on Bitcoin Profits, IRS Says on: September 12, 2017, 01:19:32 PM
I don't understand why would we must pay for our investment and how do they tax cryptocurrency investment. Besides not every people treat bitcoin as property/investment, in fact people could say they exchange fiat to BTC and suddenly BTC value increasing Roll Eyes

According to US law, they can be taxed on capital gains (in the same way as if you bought and sold stock that went up).

Of course the low numbers of people paying tax on bitcoin might reflect the bear market from 2014 to 2016. But all those people boasting in the press about how rich they are are bound to raise the suspicions of the taxman.
2674  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Only 802 People Paid Taxes on Bitcoin Profits, IRS Says on: September 12, 2017, 12:48:19 PM
https://cointelegraph.com/news/only-802-people-paid-taxes-on-bitcoin-profits-irs-says

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Talk about investing in Bitcoin and the news of people becoming ‘bitcoinnaires’ are almost everywhere these days – newspapers, TV’s, radio, and the Internet. However, one thing is missing from these stories: the tax man.
Yes, Virginia, Bitcoin is taxable

The IRS began issuing guidance on taxation of Bitcoin in March 2014. At that time, the agency announced that Bitcoin would be treated as property, with loss or gains being treated as capital loss or capital gains for tax purposes.

Readers are probably familiar with the many “rags-to-riches” stories about Bitcoin investors becoming millionaires almost overnight. Such stories abound, from the Idaho teenager who turned $1,000 into $1.1 mln and the Norwegian engineer who made $800,000 in profit off a $24 investment.

None of these stories mention the taxes these individuals paid...or didn’t pay.

Given Bitcoin’s crypto-anarchist roots, it’s perhaps not surprising that some seem to take the idea of taxation lightly. Many believe that since Bitcoin is pseudo-anonymous, there’s no way the IRS will find out about their taxable gains. Yet they may be wrong.

Bitcoin isn’t as anonymous as many think, as evidenced by the number of people in federal prison who paid in Bitcoin for child pornography or illegal drugs. There are a number of companies that scour the Blockchain, seeking to link Bitcoin accounts to their actual owners.

Earlier this month, the IRS was found to have been partnering with a company called Chainalysis to double down on its efforts to monitor Bitcoin traders who engage in high frequency and volume trading.

The IRS has recently been focusing on Coinbase, demanding that the exchange reveal the identity of anybody who traded more than $20,000 in Bitcoin per year between 2013 and 2015. The IRS is probably correct in their belief that many Bitcoin owners are evading taxes. In the year 2015, only 802 Americans told the IRS about their Bitcoin-related capital gains or losses, according to Fortune.
 
2675  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / North Korea chases Bitcoin to bust sanctions on: September 12, 2017, 12:29:56 PM
http://news.sky.com/story/north-korea-chases-bitcoin-to-bust-sanctions-11031662

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As new UN sanctions hit the increasingly isolated state, Pyongyang's premiere hacking group doubles-down on stealing Bitcoin.

North Korean hackers have been accused of the largest cyber heists the world has ever seen - and, as sanctions on the secretive state start to bite, Pyonyang's premiere hacking group has started stealing Bitcoin, too.

The cryptocurrency is perfectly suited for dodging sanctions, despite the ferocious volatility in its value, as payments are processed in a distributed manner rather than through a central authority.

New sanctions following North Korea's most recent nuclear test will hamper its ability to legitimately import gas and oil from China, but the nation retains an ability - and an increasing interest - in generating enormous revenues through cybercrime.

Evidence suggests that a North Korean government bureau has been conducting illicit economic activity for quite some time.

From 2015 through to 2016, a series of sophisticated cyber heists targeting the SWIFT global financial messaging service allowed a state-sponsored cybercrime collective, which researchers called the Lazarus Group, to steal millions of dollars.

Cybersecurity researchers linked the Lazarus Group to North Korea, although it is not known whether it is part of the secretive government bureau Office 39, or a group hired by Pyonyang's elite to fill their own coffers.

New research by cybersecurity firm FireEye's Luke McNamara describes North Korea's increasing interest in cryptocurrencies as an asset class, with the value of Bitcoin increasing by 400% since January of this year.

Mr McNamara notes how the secretive North Korean agency known informally as Office 39 has been a critical asset of the state by generating black market revenues since at least the 1970s.

It is estimated to bring $1bn a year through illicit activities, including counterfeiting US dollar currency, producing narcotics, and even smuggling gold.

FireEye's research noted how escalating economic sanctions against North Korea were accompanied by an upsurge in spearphishing campaigns targeting South Korean cryptocurrency exchanges.

Targeting the exchanges rather than simply the Bitcoin itself offers the attackers an opportunity to anonymise the thefts or withdraw the digital cash for fiat currencies such as the South Korean won, US dollar or Chinese renminbi.
2676  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Top Bought Alt Coins on: September 12, 2017, 12:09:32 PM
Volume is just volume, in reality it doesn't mean most "bought".
Lot's of pnd'ing /fake volume.

Volume indicates trading. But yes, this could mean selling as well as buying.

Most exchanges have fees - so the volume is not fake (it would get very expensive very fast to fake the volume).
2677  Economy / Speculation / Re: More Chinese FUD to trigger panic selling on idiots on: September 12, 2017, 11:46:55 AM


The so called report collected from trusted sources within Chinese officials is probably nothing more than something that a trader who had significant amounts of short positions piled up, leveraged, ready to make a profit commissioning these news reporters to make up news from thin air.



The Chinese central bank put out a statement in English:

http://www.pbc.gov.cn/english/130721/3377816/index.html

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I. The Essential Attributes of Fundraising Through Coin Offering

Financing through coin offerings refer to financing bodies raising virtual currencies such as Bitcoin or Ethereum from investors through illegal sales and circulation of crypto currency or tokens. Such offerings, in essence, are unauthorized and illegal public fundraising and are suspected of involving in criminal activities such as illegal selling of tokens, illegal issuance of securities, illegal fundraising, financial fraud and pyramid schemes. The competent authorities will closely monitor the related developments, strengthen coordination with the judicial departments and local governments, strictly enforce the law and work based on the current mechanism, and resolutely clamp down on market irregularities. Any suspected crimes, once identified, will be transferred to judicial department.

The token or “virtual currency” used in coin offerings are not issued by the monetary authority. Such currency does not have characteristics of money such as legal tender status and mandatory use, has no legal status equivalent to money, and cannot be circulated or used as currency in the market.

II. No Organizations or Individuals Shall Engage in Illegal Fundraising through Coin Offering

From the date of release of this Notice, fundraising through coin offering shall be banned immediately. Any individuals or organizations that have completed fundraising through coin offering shall make arrangements to return the funds raised, and to ensure that the legitimate rights and interests of the investors are protected and the risks involved are properly managed. The government departments concerned will strictly investigate and address the coin offering activities that have continued despite the ban and the illegal activities in the projects that had completed fundraising.

This is the first time the PBOC has decided to clarify in English, and I don't think there is any ambiguity - selling of tokens is illegal and what do exchanges do? Buy and sell cryptocurrency tokens.
2678  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin will be worth $20,000-55,000 by the year of 2022 on: September 12, 2017, 11:07:32 AM
I could see $55K if there weren't thousands of coins and ICO's popping up everywhere.

People are investing into ICOs and other coins, because they perceive there to be better percentage returns on those.

That should tell you something very important - which is that at about $4100, a chunk of investors think bitcoin is too expensive and are seeking other investments.
2679  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: POLO NOT A SCAM on: September 12, 2017, 10:31:49 AM
If you have an old account (at least two years old) and their algorithm has a reasonable idea of your trading and withdrawal patterns, you are OK. And if you withdraw small amounts (under 0.5 btc) you are OK.

But with new accounts, they manually verify things to protect themselves from various scams.
2680  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: what do you expect from ripple ? 2018 on: September 12, 2017, 10:23:51 AM
Nobody uses Ripple. The original idea was that the ripple network would be a sort of peer-to-peer exchange, where people could move money between themselves or from Ripple to a normal exchange like Bitstamp using a gateway. (At that time there were only three exchanges, MtGox, Bitstamp and BTC-E). Then bitstamp removed their gateway, and in the meanwhile, normal exchanges started to pop up elsewhere, and people wondered why you needed Ripple with their extra fees.

That's still the case - why would you use Ripple? And if nobody is using it, it really needs to be valued much much lower.
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