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2661  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: [Guide] Handling splits: UASFs, BIP148, etc. on: July 20, 2017, 07:28:08 AM
If coins are stored on the exchange, they can also disappear?
Coins will not disappear. However the exchange may decide to use a chain which you do not want to use, and thus prevent you from using coins that you do want to use.
2662  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Question about possible split on: July 20, 2017, 07:23:47 AM
If 80% miners signalled activation of BIP91,there will be no split.Is it correct as currently 76% have signalled it and with 11 days remaining, 4% more could join.
If that happens,there will be no split?

That is incorrect. There can still be one or more splits. However these splits may not be persistent. Those miners who are not following the BIP 91 rules will find their block orphaned. Since there may be 20% or more (because of variance, BIP 91 could activate without 80%) of miners who are not following the BIP 91 rules, they could end up mining a small fork of the chain briefly before the rest of the miners mine a chain longer than theirs and causes a reorg. Furthermore, with the prevalence of spy mining, miners who are enforcing BIP 91 may accidentally end up extending a non-BIP 91 chain because they are mining before validating.

The same issue would happen if BIP 148 had majority hash rate support, but because it does not, BIP 148 would likely result in a persistent two chain split.

This is all becoming very confusing now. Please allow me to divert the topic a little. What is the current status of Segwit2x now and will it be successful in activating Segwit?
You are asking us to predict the future; we can't do that. BIP 91 currently has almost 80% hash rate support. With some luck and variance, it could activate soon. Whether it actually does waits to be seen. We cannot predict the future.

Furthermore, even if BIP 91 does activate, miners may not be actually enforcing it so it may not even activate segwit.

If the answer is yes, then what will happen to BIP148?
If BIP 91 activates, then it will require all blocks to signal for segwit. This is the same as what BIP 148 requires after August 1st, so, assuming that there are no chain splits because of BIP 91, BIP 148 nodes will follow the same chain, and after August 1st, both will be enforcing the same rules.
2663  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Post your SegWit questions here - open discussion - big week for Bitcoin! on: July 20, 2017, 06:05:30 AM
is there an official link to the BIP 91 and BIP148 UASF on here? Im curious if its really going to get locked in this week and we can finally moon....


I'm not sure what you mean, exactly; however, some folks are watching the closeness of the BIP91 locking in on these two websites.

https://coin.dance/blocks


https://www.xbt.eu/
Also my website is tracking BIP 91 signaling: https://www.btcforkmonitor.info/ as well as monitoring for any chain splits.
2664  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: About the "Unknown block versions being mined!" warning on: July 20, 2017, 06:04:46 AM
I see this error as well - that is why I'm on this thread, reading through it ....

I'm trying to reconcile this thread with Coinbase's recent email.  Are we talking about here the User Activated Soft Fork (UASF) that Coinbase is referring to?

Coinbase also refers to User Activated Hard Fork (UAHF) that is scheduled for Aug, 1st.  They are not supporting this fork.

This error is related to the UASF - which does not require a software upgrade on wallets of core 14+ (or some 13s versions), and Coinbase is supporting?
This thread is talking about neither of those things. BIP 91 is unrelated to UASF or UAHF. Neither the UASF or the UAHF will trigger the warning that you see here as they do not do miner signaling; rather they activate via flag day. However BIP 91 activates via miner signaling, so we get the warning here about that.
2665  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Segwit2X / chain split question on: July 20, 2017, 02:16:57 AM
What? I thought that whole point from this is to not have a chain split, If they achieve the 80% and activate it before 1st August, how Is it possible to have a chain split in this case? and why would even UASF take place since the goal was to activate SegWit, and SegWit2x brought that before UASF.
Multiple chain splits can occur when the 80% of miners orphan the blocks of the 20% who are not signaling for segwit. While this may not result in a persistent chain fork, there can and likely will be mini forks and longer orphan chains. This problem is also exacerbated by spy mining (where miners begin building on a new block before validating it) and by the short confirmation window of BIP 91. The short window means that BIP 91 could activate with less than 80% hash rate support.
2666  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Just joined blockchain network? on: July 20, 2017, 02:12:38 AM
Your questions is incredibly vague. Can you please be more specific? Can you tell us what wallet software or service you are using?
2667  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: About the "Unknown block versions being mined!" warning on: July 19, 2017, 07:20:45 AM
So you're somehow saying that when the majority of core, themselves, puts there name down there for BIP148 or BIP149 saying either:

"Acceptable" it is a workable solution
"Prefer" it is what he would choose if it was only up to him and no outside influences

They are somehow NOT claiming that they are happy with the NO signalling in BIP148/BIP149? Yet 80% signalling for BIP91 is somehow considered unacceptable?
You are completely missing the nuance. Very few of the Core developers have said that they support BIPs 148/149 with the current political situation. Re-read what those statements say: "Prefer" it is what he would choose if it was only up to him and no outside influences. That means that if BIP 148/149 existed in a vacuum with no outside influence (e.g. from miners) and everyone went along with it, they would prefer that as it is an activation via flag day. Are you seriously that confused about the meaning of written English? Are you seriously misconstruing "prefer" and "acceptable" as meaning "want it now as it is now" even when the definition on the page says otherwise?

Since BIP 148/149 do not exist in a vacuum and they are not the proposals accepted by everyone, nearly all Core developers do not endorse it. There have been three attempts to merge BIP 148 into Core, and all of them have been rejected by the very same people you claim are endorsing BIP 148. Those Core developers are not saying that they are happy with BIP 148/149 as they are now, only that if those were the only two proposals and existed in a vacuum and without any contentiousness that they would then support them.
2668  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Warning: Unknown block versions being mined! It's possible unknown rules are in on: July 18, 2017, 06:08:33 PM
Shouldn't that thread have been on the tech discussion board. I did check before starting this thread?
It's a general information thread about "warnings that you will see" so I put it in Bitcoin Discussion for more visibility.
2669  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Warning: Unknown block versions being mined! It's possible unknown rules are in on: July 18, 2017, 05:39:10 PM
Read https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2027513.0
2670  Bitcoin / Project Development / btcforkmonitor.info: a place to see if a fork has happened on: July 18, 2017, 05:37:23 PM
Check out the website here: https://www.btcforkmonitor.info/

This is a website that I put together over the weekend in preparation of potential BIP 91 activation and BIP 148 activation. If the site detects a chain fork, there will be a big red alert at the top saying as such. Each node will also include the block hash and height at which the chain that it is following diverged from another node's chain. In the event of multiple chain forks, the most recent one will be shown for each node.

The website will consider any chain split of 2 or more blocks deep as a chain split. This is to avoid cases of orphaned blocks and of latency between the nodes.

The website will update its data from the nodes every 10 seconds. However you will need to refresh the page to see if there has been any changes.



The source code for this website is available at https://github.com/achow101/forkmon. Pull requests are welcome.

The website and its source code is licensed under the MIT License.
2671  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: [Guide] Handling splits: UASFs, BIP148, etc. on: July 18, 2017, 05:21:17 PM
i am keeping my btc on core wallet V0.14.2 and i see this Warning: Unknown block versions being mined! It's possible unknown rules are in effect
read https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2027513.0

are my coins safe on my local core wallet ??
yes.
2672  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: About the "Unknown block versions being mined!" warning on: July 18, 2017, 05:20:28 PM
It seems a little bazaar that achow101 is complaining about an 80% acceptance for SegWit with BIP91
Where am I complaining about the 80% activation threshold? The purpose of this thread is to inform people about the warning that they will see in Core, not complaining about BIP 91.

when MOST of Core is going for BIP148/BIP149 that requires NO signalling for SegWit at all - the 95% activation has long been discarded by MOST of Core.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Segwit_support
The table does not explain any nuance and conditions under which people find BIPs 148 or 149 as preferred.

If the majority of Core actually supported BIPs 148 and 149, then BIP 148 support would have been merged into Core, but it has not.

BIP91 is built off Bitcoin Core code - so even BIP91 will "allow you to choose the chain to use" since that function is old.
btc1 is the client, not BIP 91. BIP 91 is the proposal. Anyways, by Core, I mean any derivative of Core.
2673  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Segwit2X / chain split question on: July 18, 2017, 09:03:32 AM
August first has nothing to do with Segwit2x. Segwit2x can cause a chain split before August 1st. The effects of a segwit2x chain split and a BIP 148 chain split on August 1st will be fairly similar, so read this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2012799.0
2674  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: How to figure out Number of nodes on custom BTC-based Blockchain? on: July 18, 2017, 09:01:32 AM
You can't. The best you can do is to make a crawler to try to figure out what nodes are accepting incoming connections. You can't know about the nodes that only have outbound connections though.
2675  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: About the "Unknown block versions being mined!" warning on: July 18, 2017, 07:01:32 AM
O ok, well thought they were implementing a  different version of segwit, seeing i read core's version needed 95% signaling for it to go active, but segwit2x is doing it with ~ 80%?
Segwit2x is using BIP 91. BIP 91 specifies that 269 of the last 336 blocks (~80% of the last 336 blocks) must signal for BIP 91 on bit 4. Once there is enough signalling, it will be locked in for a short grace period of 336 blocks. Then it will activate. Once BIP 91 activates, all blocks must signal for segwit on bit 1. This means that segwit will then activate via its original deployment on bit 1. Segwit2x is not actually activating a different segwit, they are activating something else which will force the activation of segwit.

Anyways as long as its the same as core version shouldn't have any forks, i guess until they start the hard fork to 2mb block size right?
There may be forks since 20% of the hash rate won't be support BIP 91 and thus will likely not be signalling bit 1 for segwit. With some luck and spy mining, forks could be made from miners extending a chain off of a block which does not signal bit 1. However Bitcoin Core will allow you to choose the chain to use (via the invalidateblock RPC command) and any of the forks will be valid to Core.

If BIP 91 activates successfully and everyone who claims they will enforce it actually enforces it, then there shouldn't be a fork.

so even in a remote case of an hard fork, which could be imminent, we just leave our coins there on core, and we should be safe from my understanding, as logn as we don't move those coins right?
Yes. Coins at rest are not at risk.

On a sidenote what versions of Bitcoin Core should a person utilize considered safest for segwit2x or does it matter as long as it ain't QT ^^.
Any recent version of Core should be fine, even ones that don't have segwit support.

If I see that message in my Core wallet, is it safe to send coins somewhere now ?
Yes. There currently is no fork, so you can safely send your coins.
2676  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Bitcoin-qt cannot read the database, closing on: July 18, 2017, 04:25:18 AM
Add reindex=1 to your bitcoin.conf file. Then start Core. Once it has started, remove that line from the bitcoin.conf file. What this will do is reindex the database, which means that it is reading the blockchain data from disk and rebuilding its databases. It will appear as if it is redownloading the entire blockchain, but it is not. Make sure that your computer does not forcibly shut down during this time as an unclean shut down will corrupt the database and require it to be reindexed again.
2677  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: About the "Unknown block versions being mined!" warning on: July 18, 2017, 02:07:26 AM
well if segwit goes active will it work with our core 14.x version ? or are we screwed?

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Yes, it will work with Bitcoin Core 0.13.1+
2678  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Upgrading to Core 0.14.2 on: July 17, 2017, 11:47:32 PM
No. There is no need to touch your wallet files or the blockchain data. All you need to do is download and install Bitcoin Core 0.14.2. The install will overwrite the previous install but it will not touch anything in the datadir (folder containing the wallet and blockchain stuff).
2679  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: About the "Unknown block versions being mined!" warning on: July 17, 2017, 11:46:05 PM
80% of exactly what must be present in the blockchain for SegWit2x to activate?
269 of the last 336 blocks (~80% of the last 336 blocks) must set bit 4 of the version number field in order for BIP 91 (first half of segwit2x) to activate.
2680  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: About the "Unknown block versions being mined!" warning on: July 17, 2017, 11:03:21 PM
I'm glad the developers thought to put that warning in. So basically this means that we're getting SegWit2x,
No, that is not a guarantee that we will be getting segwit2x.

or at least the first phase of it since it's still 4 days away from July 21st when SegWit2x activates
Segwit2x is not guaranteed to activate on July 21st. It is not activated via flag day, rather it is activated via miner signalling. July 21st is the day that those who signed the New York Agreement for Segwit2x are supposed to begin signalling and running segwit2x nodes. But that is not a guarantee that activation will happen that day nor is it a guarantee that everyone will actually do so.

and that warning indicates that 50% or more of miners are SegWit2x which is enough to win the soft fork.
No, that is completely incorrect. The threshold for BIP 91 (the first half of segwit2x) is 80%, not 50%. Secondly, a 100 block period is much too short to determine anything. It can be highly affected by variance and luck. You need to much longer timespan to determine how much support there actually is. Even the 336 block window for BIP 91 is very short and could be affected by variance so there could actually be less than 80% hash rate support and BIP 91 would still activate.
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