Do we have free will, yes or not? You can't say we have free will only in faith to god, that makes absolutely no sense. We can't have free will if there is an entity that knows what's going to happen because how does he know? If everything is C&E as you claim, how can you say there is free will?
Interesting question. I agree that the answer depends on what you mean by free will. According to our current understanding of reality the future already exists. The concept that the future is something that has yet to happen simply an illusion. This video does a nice job of explaining why this is the case using our current understanding of Einstein's theory of relativity. The illusion of time past, present and future all exist togetherhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtjYqCi93E0Once we grasp the concept that the future already exists it becomes clear that we cannot have free will in the ultimate since. We are are forever bound by the cascade of cause and effect. That chain already extends into the remotest future. What we have is consciousness the perfect illusion of choice our gift from God or the cosmos if you will. If I give my daughter the choice between broccoli or ice cream I know with certainty what she will choose every time. Her choice is known the future set in stone. You could perhaps argue that she has no free will in the matter but that is misleading. She has the illusion of freedom in that she is able to follow the essence of who she is and apply that to the world in this case by eating ice cream. This is the type of free will we have. Our destinies are already written but we arrive at those destinies via a testing. We are able to apply who we are to the reality of the cosmos and the result and consequence is our "choice". I'm just saying that if that's the case then god and going to heaven or hell is unfair. No one will be tested the same way, some people die younger for example while others enjoy 40 years more of time where they might find out that god is real or not. If everything is already ''written'' then people are not evil or good, they are simply slaves of C&E and there would be no point to have a hell or a heaven. It is god who made people either evil or good. |
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so many sheep just reciting what they learned in school, barely any have done the research and experiments for themselves. THE EARTH IS NOT A SPINNING SPHERE! Wake up. Goodbye globe lovers. Go ride on some unicorns you sphere globers.  What research have you done, besides watching youtube videos? |
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Do we have free will, yes or not? You can't say we have free will only in faith to god, that makes absolutely no sense. We can't have free will if there is an entity that knows what's going to happen because how does he know? If everything is C&E as you claim, how can you say there is free will?
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''The earth and life are so extremely complex and marvelous, that science doesn't really have a clue about how it all came into being... from a scientific standpoint... be it by God or by BB or by something else'' So you admit there is no scientific proof for god, ok. Did you miss my little word " how" that you quoted? Did you not see the part where I said, " If BB is the cause behind the universe (something that science is only guessing at), then BB is God." Science doesn't have a clue HOW God did it. They can't even put 2 + 2 together enough to understand that it WAS God Who did it. And you can't even think enough to recognize the answers to your questions, even when you copy them to rebut the things I say. You are proving that you are devolving.
''Religion is the key to health and knowledge about God. Science will take way too long to be practical.'' What is religion? Why is religion the key to health or knowledge? What has religion found out in the last 5000 years?
Since there is only devolution, why should there be any modern changes made in ages old religions? They have always had the best. If they didn’t, they would have been gone long ago. However, the religion of science has found things out, many of which just aren’t true, although people often believe them: BB Theory, Black Hole Theory, Age-of the earth ideas, etc., many things. Such things are religion since people believe them, but don’t realize that they are not true. When you believe religions of science to be true, your health is affected negatively when you place your trust in them. The only reason your health might be affected in good ways is, the ability of your mind to use placebo effect regarding your health, is the thing that makes you healthy even though you have beliefs in the false religions of science. After all, if science knew what it was doing, it would cure everybody. So, it is a false religion. Health and religion go hand in hand. It's just that many people have an imprecise or incorrect understanding of which religion is affecting their health, and how.  ''then BB is God.'' The definition of the big bang is clearly not the definition of god in the bible, I don't see how you can say that if the big bang was real then the big bang would be god, the big bang would be the creator of the universe but the big bang is not a sentient being let alone an omniscient omnipotent one. - Precisely why BB is not real.''Science doesn't have a clue HOW God did it. They can't even put 2 + 2 together enough to understand that it WAS God Who did it.'' But you are smarter than all of them and you do know, right? - Obviously, I and a lot of non-scientific people are way smarter than a lot of scientists.''After all, if science knew what it was doing, it would cure everybody.'' Fallacy. After all if religion knew what it was doing and was inspired by God it would cure everybody, right? - Religion is curing everybody, one way or the other. The only religion that offers the cure to eternal life that people are asking for, is the Christian religion - Jesus salvation. The rest of the religions, including the religions of modern science, are offering the "cure" of damnation that the people are asking for by believing them. Science has cured infinitely more people than religion because religion has cured 0 people. - Placebo effect has cured more people than science could ever think of curing. God has cured many people in the various religious communities. Science has cured essentially none, since science uses things of nature that God palced there to do the curing attempts that they do. As I said before, do you go to a church to pray when you are sick or do you go to your doctor? - Absolutely church, but at least prayer to God, however, if I went to the doctor, it would still be God, not the doctor, doing any good work in me. I'm still waiting for you to tell me what religion has found out in the last 5000 years. - Religion has found that it is right, because Bible prophesy has been proven out to be accurate.You are way off base. How did you determine that you are smarter than a lot of scientists? ''Placebo effect has cured more people than science could ever think of curing'' Placebo effect is science LOL. ''Absolutely church, but at least prayer to God, however, if I went to the doctor, it would still be God, not the doctor, doing any good work in me.'' Show me the last time praying gave someone its limb back. So you claim it's god the one doing the work and the one that gets the credit if a doctor heals you because he created him and made him smart. Then when someone doesn't accept god or does evil things, it's also god's fault because he created him too, also doesn't the doctor have free will? Why are you saying it's god that did the work? Placebo effect has been around long before science. God, listening to the prayer of people, induces scientists through cause and effect, to build artificial limbs for people. Everything is absolutely God through C&E if not God through something else. God, in love, set Himself up to answer the requests of people, whether the requests are good or whether they are evil. But He has overcome the evil by preparing a life for all of us after this one, giving the people the thing they ask for, Heaven or Hell. So, the doctor's free will is in the way that he has faith in God, not in the things that he does. The funny thing is, it takes a lot of prayer with knowledge of God the right way to pray a limb back, few if any people have ever done this kind of study and prayer. The point is, religion and health go hand in hand whether or not science is included in the mix. ''God, listening to the prayer of people, induces scientists through cause and effect, to build artificial limbs for people. '' So god does everything eh? He is also the responsible for people going to hell or being evil, therefore god is evil. End of the debate. No debate existed. As I have told you many times, God is such a giving God that He even gives the godless people what they essentially ask for... Hell. But to be absolutely fair, He bends over backward to get them to freely accept salvation. He is absolutely wonderful. They don't ask for anything remember? God does everything through cause and effect so essentially it's god asking for hell. The "ask" may not be formal. But we all ask through the only piece of free will we have - faith in God (r not). God answers with everything else, according to what we ask for in our faith attitude. Have you noticed how you say these things over and over? You never find anything strong enough to refute them, but you repeat them over and over. Change now, before God gives you what you are asking for. So the only piece of free will that we have is faith in god? How does that work exactly? Or, you might ask, how does big bang work with the real universe? Why do you always deflect questions though? Is choosing to believe in god the only piece of free will that we have? Or what is it because I don't understand. |
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''The earth and life are so extremely complex and marvelous, that science doesn't really have a clue about how it all came into being... from a scientific standpoint... be it by God or by BB or by something else'' So you admit there is no scientific proof for god, ok. Did you miss my little word " how" that you quoted? Did you not see the part where I said, " If BB is the cause behind the universe (something that science is only guessing at), then BB is God." Science doesn't have a clue HOW God did it. They can't even put 2 + 2 together enough to understand that it WAS God Who did it. And you can't even think enough to recognize the answers to your questions, even when you copy them to rebut the things I say. You are proving that you are devolving.
''Religion is the key to health and knowledge about God. Science will take way too long to be practical.'' What is religion? Why is religion the key to health or knowledge? What has religion found out in the last 5000 years?
Since there is only devolution, why should there be any modern changes made in ages old religions? They have always had the best. If they didn’t, they would have been gone long ago. However, the religion of science has found things out, many of which just aren’t true, although people often believe them: BB Theory, Black Hole Theory, Age-of the earth ideas, etc., many things. Such things are religion since people believe them, but don’t realize that they are not true. When you believe religions of science to be true, your health is affected negatively when you place your trust in them. The only reason your health might be affected in good ways is, the ability of your mind to use placebo effect regarding your health, is the thing that makes you healthy even though you have beliefs in the false religions of science. After all, if science knew what it was doing, it would cure everybody. So, it is a false religion. Health and religion go hand in hand. It's just that many people have an imprecise or incorrect understanding of which religion is affecting their health, and how. ''then BB is God.'' The definition of the big bang is clearly not the definition of god in the bible, I don't see how you can say that if the big bang was real then the big bang would be god, the big bang would be the creator of the universe but the big bang is not a sentient being let alone an omniscient omnipotent one. - Precisely why BB is not real.''Science doesn't have a clue HOW God did it. They can't even put 2 + 2 together enough to understand that it WAS God Who did it.'' But you are smarter than all of them and you do know, right? - Obviously, I and a lot of non-scientific people are way smarter than a lot of scientists.''After all, if science knew what it was doing, it would cure everybody.'' Fallacy. After all if religion knew what it was doing and was inspired by God it would cure everybody, right? - Religion is curing everybody, one way or the other. The only religion that offers the cure to eternal life that people are asking for, is the Christian religion - Jesus salvation. The rest of the religions, including the religions of modern science, are offering the "cure" of damnation that the people are asking for by believing them. Science has cured infinitely more people than religion because religion has cured 0 people. - Placebo effect has cured more people than science could ever think of curing. God has cured many people in the various religious communities. Science has cured essentially none, since science uses things of nature that God palced there to do the curing attempts that they do. As I said before, do you go to a church to pray when you are sick or do you go to your doctor? - Absolutely church, but at least prayer to God, however, if I went to the doctor, it would still be God, not the doctor, doing any good work in me. I'm still waiting for you to tell me what religion has found out in the last 5000 years. - Religion has found that it is right, because Bible prophesy has been proven out to be accurate.You are way off base. How did you determine that you are smarter than a lot of scientists? ''Placebo effect has cured more people than science could ever think of curing'' Placebo effect is science LOL. ''Absolutely church, but at least prayer to God, however, if I went to the doctor, it would still be God, not the doctor, doing any good work in me.'' Show me the last time praying gave someone its limb back. So you claim it's god the one doing the work and the one that gets the credit if a doctor heals you because he created him and made him smart. Then when someone doesn't accept god or does evil things, it's also god's fault because he created him too, also doesn't the doctor have free will? Why are you saying it's god that did the work? Placebo effect has been around long before science. God, listening to the prayer of people, induces scientists through cause and effect, to build artificial limbs for people. Everything is absolutely God through C&E if not God through something else. God, in love, set Himself up to answer the requests of people, whether the requests are good or whether they are evil. But He has overcome the evil by preparing a life for all of us after this one, giving the people the thing they ask for, Heaven or Hell. So, the doctor's free will is in the way that he has faith in God, not in the things that he does. The funny thing is, it takes a lot of prayer with knowledge of God the right way to pray a limb back, few if any people have ever done this kind of study and prayer. The point is, religion and health go hand in hand whether or not science is included in the mix. ''God, listening to the prayer of people, induces scientists through cause and effect, to build artificial limbs for people. '' So god does everything eh? He is also the responsible for people going to hell or being evil, therefore god is evil. End of the debate. No debate existed. As I have told you many times, God is such a giving God that He even gives the godless people what they essentially ask for... Hell. But to be absolutely fair, He bends over backward to get them to freely accept salvation. He is absolutely wonderful. They don't ask for anything remember? God does everything through cause and effect so essentially it's god asking for hell. The "ask" may not be formal. But we all ask through the only piece of free will we have - faith in God (r not). God answers with everything else, according to what we ask for in our faith attitude. Have you noticed how you say these things over and over? You never find anything strong enough to refute them, but you repeat them over and over. Change now, before God gives you what you are asking for. So the only piece of free will that we have is faith in god? How does that work exactly? |
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The more we look at our universe and try to disprove the existence of God, the more it makes it seem like we omit certain things. When we say God, we assume it is one being which should be understood, heck we cannot even understand ourselves.
Secondly, how do we explain being at the right distance from the sun, with the right conditions, having an ozone layer and all, more so, how do we explain how perfect everything seems for life to occur.
I am also open to knowledge, but ultimately it is all about belief and I choose to believe, with the hope that if there is a heaven and I live well and make it, no harm done. Even if there is no heaven and I live by the moral codes seeming right to God, then I am saved too. The truth is at the end of the day one abbot be too careful. For the forces of evil to exist, there is also a force of good.
The distance between the sun and earth changes each year because the earth rotates in an ellipse so that's wrong. The right conditions for what, exactly? We are far from perfect, millions of species have died, we evolved and adapted to what we had here, that's why everything might seem ''perfect'' for us but it's not really. Look at how many poisonous plants are there or how many viruses that could kill us. Anybody who thinks we evolved, is even less perfect. So almost everyone? |
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''The earth and life are so extremely complex and marvelous, that science doesn't really have a clue about how it all came into being... from a scientific standpoint... be it by God or by BB or by something else'' So you admit there is no scientific proof for god, ok. Did you miss my little word " how" that you quoted? Did you not see the part where I said, " If BB is the cause behind the universe (something that science is only guessing at), then BB is God." Science doesn't have a clue HOW God did it. They can't even put 2 + 2 together enough to understand that it WAS God Who did it. And you can't even think enough to recognize the answers to your questions, even when you copy them to rebut the things I say. You are proving that you are devolving.
''Religion is the key to health and knowledge about God. Science will take way too long to be practical.'' What is religion? Why is religion the key to health or knowledge? What has religion found out in the last 5000 years?
Since there is only devolution, why should there be any modern changes made in ages old religions? They have always had the best. If they didn’t, they would have been gone long ago. However, the religion of science has found things out, many of which just aren’t true, although people often believe them: BB Theory, Black Hole Theory, Age-of the earth ideas, etc., many things. Such things are religion since people believe them, but don’t realize that they are not true. When you believe religions of science to be true, your health is affected negatively when you place your trust in them. The only reason your health might be affected in good ways is, the ability of your mind to use placebo effect regarding your health, is the thing that makes you healthy even though you have beliefs in the false religions of science. After all, if science knew what it was doing, it would cure everybody. So, it is a false religion. Health and religion go hand in hand. It's just that many people have an imprecise or incorrect understanding of which religion is affecting their health, and how. ''then BB is God.'' The definition of the big bang is clearly not the definition of god in the bible, I don't see how you can say that if the big bang was real then the big bang would be god, the big bang would be the creator of the universe but the big bang is not a sentient being let alone an omniscient omnipotent one. - Precisely why BB is not real.''Science doesn't have a clue HOW God did it. They can't even put 2 + 2 together enough to understand that it WAS God Who did it.'' But you are smarter than all of them and you do know, right? - Obviously, I and a lot of non-scientific people are way smarter than a lot of scientists.''After all, if science knew what it was doing, it would cure everybody.'' Fallacy. After all if religion knew what it was doing and was inspired by God it would cure everybody, right? - Religion is curing everybody, one way or the other. The only religion that offers the cure to eternal life that people are asking for, is the Christian religion - Jesus salvation. The rest of the religions, including the religions of modern science, are offering the "cure" of damnation that the people are asking for by believing them. Science has cured infinitely more people than religion because religion has cured 0 people. - Placebo effect has cured more people than science could ever think of curing. God has cured many people in the various religious communities. Science has cured essentially none, since science uses things of nature that God palced there to do the curing attempts that they do. As I said before, do you go to a church to pray when you are sick or do you go to your doctor? - Absolutely church, but at least prayer to God, however, if I went to the doctor, it would still be God, not the doctor, doing any good work in me. I'm still waiting for you to tell me what religion has found out in the last 5000 years. - Religion has found that it is right, because Bible prophesy has been proven out to be accurate.You are way off base. How did you determine that you are smarter than a lot of scientists? ''Placebo effect has cured more people than science could ever think of curing'' Placebo effect is science LOL. ''Absolutely church, but at least prayer to God, however, if I went to the doctor, it would still be God, not the doctor, doing any good work in me.'' Show me the last time praying gave someone its limb back. So you claim it's god the one doing the work and the one that gets the credit if a doctor heals you because he created him and made him smart. Then when someone doesn't accept god or does evil things, it's also god's fault because he created him too, also doesn't the doctor have free will? Why are you saying it's god that did the work? Placebo effect has been around long before science. God, listening to the prayer of people, induces scientists through cause and effect, to build artificial limbs for people. Everything is absolutely God through C&E if not God through something else. God, in love, set Himself up to answer the requests of people, whether the requests are good or whether they are evil. But He has overcome the evil by preparing a life for all of us after this one, giving the people the thing they ask for, Heaven or Hell. So, the doctor's free will is in the way that he has faith in God, not in the things that he does. The funny thing is, it takes a lot of prayer with knowledge of God the right way to pray a limb back, few if any people have ever done this kind of study and prayer. The point is, religion and health go hand in hand whether or not science is included in the mix. ''God, listening to the prayer of people, induces scientists through cause and effect, to build artificial limbs for people. '' So god does everything eh? He is also the responsible for people going to hell or being evil, therefore god is evil. End of the debate. No debate existed. As I have told you many times, God is such a giving God that He even gives the godless people what they essentially ask for... Hell. But to be absolutely fair, He bends over backward to get them to freely accept salvation. He is absolutely wonderful. They don't ask for anything remember? God does everything through cause and effect so essentially it's god asking for hell. |
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I don't believe these studies at all, times have changed and the problem is always extremist people. Judging by religions is a mistake at this time. Or are we still living in caverns
You are believing the wrong studies. Time changes, but people don't. All you need to do to see this is look qt people of the past to see that they had heads, arms, hands, feet, legs, torsos, etc. just like we have. People still live in caves in various parts of the world. If there were an abundance of caves right now in parts of California, people would be living there rather than in the tent cities. All the skeletons and parts of skeletons of prehistoric man that we have, are so few in number that they could fit on one table. Their differences from modern mankind suggest genetic or other deformities in a few people or animals, rather than evolution. Evolution, including the timeline and formally accepted age of the earth, is a complete fable. Time for you to start learning what is real, rather than what you want to believe. ''don’t know how many hominin fossils there are in the world. There is no tabulation. The pace of discovery now is too fast to track. Each year for the last decade, anthropologists have unearthed hundreds of fossil specimens from extinct hominin species and populations. By 2012, the Sima de los Huesos hominin assemblage, near Burgos, Spain, numbered more than 6500 specimens from at least 28 individuals. Many more fossils are recovered in every field season. In South Africa, the Rising Star hominin sample today numbers more than 2000 specimens from at least 18 individuals. This deposit of hominin fossils was completely unknown until 2013. From just two caves, that is nearly 9000 fossil hominin specimens.'' https://medium.com/@johnhawks/how-much-evidence-have-scientists-found-for-human-evolution-355801dfd35chttps://anthropologynet.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/fossil-hominid-skulls.jpgYou can clearly see all the differences. You can clearly see the differences: http://footage.framepool.com/shotimg/qf/477698726-yellow-cab-work-trip-traffic-light-sidewalk.jpghttps://d2v9y0dukr6mq2.cloudfront.net/video/thumbnail/NW0fQmiOgijpqxr6o/nyc-crowd-street-people-new-york-city-late-1940s-1950s-vintage-film-movie-3549_bumdbgtl__F0000.pnghttps://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/gettyimages-907601562.jpgYour B.S. tables are simply a science fiction story. They are a religion that distracts from reality. They are destroying the health of people simply by getting people to believe in falsehood. Health and religion. You can go to museums and check the fossils for yourself unless you are saying all of them are fabricated. You can't seem to get it through your head that it isn't the existence of fossils that is the point. The point is the interpretation of where they came from and why they exist. The story about the fossils is the fiction, not the fossils themselves. So what do you think the interpretation is lol, it's quite clear to me. We know they are human fossils and we have found many of them, we can also date them. We know that some are human fossils. We also know that they some of them could be animal fossils... and, indeed, some have proven to be animal in the past. We know that they could be diseased, mutated malformations of modern man. We know our dating system is very contradictory, and is a accepted as it is by arbitrary decision rather than absolute knowledge that it is even close to accurate. Some people simply choose to believe these things for the sake of choice. The point is, we have a complete science fiction story about the age of the earth and evolution. When it is believed to be truth, it becomes religion. The age-old Bible religion - and even Islam - have way better truth than science does with the prehistoric man fictional ideas. ''The point is, we have a complete science fiction story about the age of the earth'' How ironic coming from someone who believes in the bible, science fiction heh. |
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''The earth and life are so extremely complex and marvelous, that science doesn't really have a clue about how it all came into being... from a scientific standpoint... be it by God or by BB or by something else'' So you admit there is no scientific proof for god, ok. Did you miss my little word " how" that you quoted? Did you not see the part where I said, " If BB is the cause behind the universe (something that science is only guessing at), then BB is God." Science doesn't have a clue HOW God did it. They can't even put 2 + 2 together enough to understand that it WAS God Who did it. And you can't even think enough to recognize the answers to your questions, even when you copy them to rebut the things I say. You are proving that you are devolving.
''Religion is the key to health and knowledge about God. Science will take way too long to be practical.'' What is religion? Why is religion the key to health or knowledge? What has religion found out in the last 5000 years?
Since there is only devolution, why should there be any modern changes made in ages old religions? They have always had the best. If they didn’t, they would have been gone long ago. However, the religion of science has found things out, many of which just aren’t true, although people often believe them: BB Theory, Black Hole Theory, Age-of the earth ideas, etc., many things. Such things are religion since people believe them, but don’t realize that they are not true. When you believe religions of science to be true, your health is affected negatively when you place your trust in them. The only reason your health might be affected in good ways is, the ability of your mind to use placebo effect regarding your health, is the thing that makes you healthy even though you have beliefs in the false religions of science. After all, if science knew what it was doing, it would cure everybody. So, it is a false religion. Health and religion go hand in hand. It's just that many people have an imprecise or incorrect understanding of which religion is affecting their health, and how. ''then BB is God.'' The definition of the big bang is clearly not the definition of god in the bible, I don't see how you can say that if the big bang was real then the big bang would be god, the big bang would be the creator of the universe but the big bang is not a sentient being let alone an omniscient omnipotent one. - Precisely why BB is not real.''Science doesn't have a clue HOW God did it. They can't even put 2 + 2 together enough to understand that it WAS God Who did it.'' But you are smarter than all of them and you do know, right? - Obviously, I and a lot of non-scientific people are way smarter than a lot of scientists.''After all, if science knew what it was doing, it would cure everybody.'' Fallacy. After all if religion knew what it was doing and was inspired by God it would cure everybody, right? - Religion is curing everybody, one way or the other. The only religion that offers the cure to eternal life that people are asking for, is the Christian religion - Jesus salvation. The rest of the religions, including the religions of modern science, are offering the "cure" of damnation that the people are asking for by believing them. Science has cured infinitely more people than religion because religion has cured 0 people. - Placebo effect has cured more people than science could ever think of curing. God has cured many people in the various religious communities. Science has cured essentially none, since science uses things of nature that God palced there to do the curing attempts that they do. As I said before, do you go to a church to pray when you are sick or do you go to your doctor? - Absolutely church, but at least prayer to God, however, if I went to the doctor, it would still be God, not the doctor, doing any good work in me. I'm still waiting for you to tell me what religion has found out in the last 5000 years. - Religion has found that it is right, because Bible prophesy has been proven out to be accurate.You are way off base. How did you determine that you are smarter than a lot of scientists? ''Placebo effect has cured more people than science could ever think of curing'' Placebo effect is science LOL. ''Absolutely church, but at least prayer to God, however, if I went to the doctor, it would still be God, not the doctor, doing any good work in me.'' Show me the last time praying gave someone its limb back. So you claim it's god the one doing the work and the one that gets the credit if a doctor heals you because he created him and made him smart. Then when someone doesn't accept god or does evil things, it's also god's fault because he created him too, also doesn't the doctor have free will? Why are you saying it's god that did the work? Placebo effect has been around long before science. God, listening to the prayer of people, induces scientists through cause and effect, to build artificial limbs for people. Everything is absolutely God through C&E if not God through something else. God, in love, set Himself up to answer the requests of people, whether the requests are good or whether they are evil. But He has overcome the evil by preparing a life for all of us after this one, giving the people the thing they ask for, Heaven or Hell. So, the doctor's free will is in the way that he has faith in God, not in the things that he does. The funny thing is, it takes a lot of prayer with knowledge of God the right way to pray a limb back, few if any people have ever done this kind of study and prayer. The point is, religion and health go hand in hand whether or not science is included in the mix. ''God, listening to the prayer of people, induces scientists through cause and effect, to build artificial limbs for people. '' So god does everything eh? He is also the responsible for people going to hell or being evil, therefore god is evil. End of the debate. |
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''The earth and life are so extremely complex and marvelous, that science doesn't really have a clue about how it all came into being... from a scientific standpoint... be it by God or by BB or by something else'' So you admit there is no scientific proof for god, ok. Did you miss my little word " how" that you quoted? Did you not see the part where I said, " If BB is the cause behind the universe (something that science is only guessing at), then BB is God." Science doesn't have a clue HOW God did it. They can't even put 2 + 2 together enough to understand that it WAS God Who did it. And you can't even think enough to recognize the answers to your questions, even when you copy them to rebut the things I say. You are proving that you are devolving.
''Religion is the key to health and knowledge about God. Science will take way too long to be practical.'' What is religion? Why is religion the key to health or knowledge? What has religion found out in the last 5000 years?
Since there is only devolution, why should there be any modern changes made in ages old religions? They have always had the best. If they didn’t, they would have been gone long ago. However, the religion of science has found things out, many of which just aren’t true, although people often believe them: BB Theory, Black Hole Theory, Age-of the earth ideas, etc., many things. Such things are religion since people believe them, but don’t realize that they are not true. When you believe religions of science to be true, your health is affected negatively when you place your trust in them. The only reason your health might be affected in good ways is, the ability of your mind to use placebo effect regarding your health, is the thing that makes you healthy even though you have beliefs in the false religions of science. After all, if science knew what it was doing, it would cure everybody. So, it is a false religion. Health and religion go hand in hand. It's just that many people have an imprecise or incorrect understanding of which religion is affecting their health, and how. ''then BB is God.'' The definition of the big bang is clearly not the definition of god in the bible, I don't see how you can say that if the big bang was real then the big bang would be god, the big bang would be the creator of the universe but the big bang is not a sentient being let alone an omniscient omnipotent one. - Precisely why BB is not real.''Science doesn't have a clue HOW God did it. They can't even put 2 + 2 together enough to understand that it WAS God Who did it.'' But you are smarter than all of them and you do know, right? - Obviously, I and a lot of non-scientific people are way smarter than a lot of scientists.''After all, if science knew what it was doing, it would cure everybody.'' Fallacy. After all if religion knew what it was doing and was inspired by God it would cure everybody, right? - Religion is curing everybody, one way or the other. The only religion that offers the cure to eternal life that people are asking for, is the Christian religion - Jesus salvation. The rest of the religions, including the religions of modern science, are offering the "cure" of damnation that the people are asking for by believing them. Science has cured infinitely more people than religion because religion has cured 0 people. - Placebo effect has cured more people than science could ever think of curing. God has cured many people in the various religious communities. Science has cured essentially none, since science uses things of nature that God palced there to do the curing attempts that they do. As I said before, do you go to a church to pray when you are sick or do you go to your doctor? - Absolutely church, but at least prayer to God, however, if I went to the doctor, it would still be God, not the doctor, doing any good work in me. I'm still waiting for you to tell me what religion has found out in the last 5000 years. - Religion has found that it is right, because Bible prophesy has been proven out to be accurate.You are way off base. How did you determine that you are smarter than a lot of scientists? ''Placebo effect has cured more people than science could ever think of curing'' Placebo effect is science LOL. ''Absolutely church, but at least prayer to God, however, if I went to the doctor, it would still be God, not the doctor, doing any good work in me.'' Show me the last time praying gave someone its limb back. So you claim it's god the one doing the work and the one that gets the credit if a doctor heals you because he created him and made him smart. Then when someone doesn't accept god or does evil things, it's also god's fault because he created him too, also doesn't the doctor have free will? Why are you saying it's god that did the work? |
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I don't believe these studies at all, times have changed and the problem is always extremist people. Judging by religions is a mistake at this time. Or are we still living in caverns
You are believing the wrong studies. Time changes, but people don't. All you need to do to see this is look qt people of the past to see that they had heads, arms, hands, feet, legs, torsos, etc. just like we have. People still live in caves in various parts of the world. If there were an abundance of caves right now in parts of California, people would be living there rather than in the tent cities. All the skeletons and parts of skeletons of prehistoric man that we have, are so few in number that they could fit on one table. Their differences from modern mankind suggest genetic or other deformities in a few people or animals, rather than evolution. Evolution, including the timeline and formally accepted age of the earth, is a complete fable. Time for you to start learning what is real, rather than what you want to believe. ''don’t know how many hominin fossils there are in the world. There is no tabulation. The pace of discovery now is too fast to track. Each year for the last decade, anthropologists have unearthed hundreds of fossil specimens from extinct hominin species and populations. By 2012, the Sima de los Huesos hominin assemblage, near Burgos, Spain, numbered more than 6500 specimens from at least 28 individuals. Many more fossils are recovered in every field season. In South Africa, the Rising Star hominin sample today numbers more than 2000 specimens from at least 18 individuals. This deposit of hominin fossils was completely unknown until 2013. From just two caves, that is nearly 9000 fossil hominin specimens.'' https://medium.com/@johnhawks/how-much-evidence-have-scientists-found-for-human-evolution-355801dfd35chttps://anthropologynet.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/fossil-hominid-skulls.jpgYou can clearly see all the differences. You can clearly see the differences: http://footage.framepool.com/shotimg/qf/477698726-yellow-cab-work-trip-traffic-light-sidewalk.jpghttps://d2v9y0dukr6mq2.cloudfront.net/video/thumbnail/NW0fQmiOgijpqxr6o/nyc-crowd-street-people-new-york-city-late-1940s-1950s-vintage-film-movie-3549_bumdbgtl__F0000.pnghttps://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/gettyimages-907601562.jpgYour B.S. tables are simply a science fiction story. They are a religion that distracts from reality. They are destroying the health of people simply by getting people to believe in falsehood. Health and religion. You can go to museums and check the fossils for yourself unless you are saying all of them are fabricated. You can't seem to get it through your head that it isn't the existence of fossils that is the point. The point is the interpretation of where they came from and why they exist. The story about the fossils is the fiction, not the fossils themselves. So what do you think the interpretation is lol, it's quite clear to me. We know they are human fossils and we have found many of them, we can also date them. |
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Busted?  The fact that you were able to get merits for your posts means the system works.
If the poster above me is right in his deduction, the system does work. Merit abusers are falling in their own traps trying to feed their alts. The forum is cleansing itself. What were you thinking OP? That you will give yourself some merit and then start a thread in meta to whine how the merit system sucks? 90% of people that start merit threads are alts trying to farm merits, the idiots just expose themselves, it's so easy to see, honestly. |
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I don't believe these studies at all, times have changed and the problem is always extremist people. Judging by religions is a mistake at this time. Or are we still living in caverns
You are believing the wrong studies. Time changes, but people don't. All you need to do to see this is look qt people of the past to see that they had heads, arms, hands, feet, legs, torsos, etc. just like we have. People still live in caves in various parts of the world. If there were an abundance of caves right now in parts of California, people would be living there rather than in the tent cities. All the skeletons and parts of skeletons of prehistoric man that we have, are so few in number that they could fit on one table. Their differences from modern mankind suggest genetic or other deformities in a few people or animals, rather than evolution. Evolution, including the timeline and formally accepted age of the earth, is a complete fable. Time for you to start learning what is real, rather than what you want to believe. ''don’t know how many hominin fossils there are in the world. There is no tabulation. The pace of discovery now is too fast to track. Each year for the last decade, anthropologists have unearthed hundreds of fossil specimens from extinct hominin species and populations. By 2012, the Sima de los Huesos hominin assemblage, near Burgos, Spain, numbered more than 6500 specimens from at least 28 individuals. Many more fossils are recovered in every field season. In South Africa, the Rising Star hominin sample today numbers more than 2000 specimens from at least 18 individuals. This deposit of hominin fossils was completely unknown until 2013. From just two caves, that is nearly 9000 fossil hominin specimens.'' https://medium.com/@johnhawks/how-much-evidence-have-scientists-found-for-human-evolution-355801dfd35chttps://anthropologynet.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/fossil-hominid-skulls.jpgYou can clearly see all the differences. You can clearly see the differences:    Your B.S. tables are simply a science fiction story. They are a religion that distracts from reality. They are destroying the health of people simply by getting people to believe in falsehood. Health and religion. You can go to museums and check the fossils for yourself unless you are saying all of them are fabricated. |
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''The earth and life are so extremely complex and marvelous, that science doesn't really have a clue about how it all came into being... from a scientific standpoint... be it by God or by BB or by something else'' So you admit there is no scientific proof for god, ok. Did you miss my little word " how" that you quoted? Did you not see the part where I said, " If BB is the cause behind the universe (something that science is only guessing at), then BB is God." Science doesn't have a clue HOW God did it. They can't even put 2 + 2 together enough to understand that it WAS God Who did it. And you can't even think enough to recognize the answers to your questions, even when you copy them to rebut the things I say. You are proving that you are devolving.
''Religion is the key to health and knowledge about God. Science will take way too long to be practical.'' What is religion? Why is religion the key to health or knowledge? What has religion found out in the last 5000 years?
Since there is only devolution, why should there be any modern changes made in ages old religions? They have always had the best. If they didn’t, they would have been gone long ago. However, the religion of science has found things out, many of which just aren’t true, although people often believe them: BB Theory, Black Hole Theory, Age-of the earth ideas, etc., many things. Such things are religion since people believe them, but don’t realize that they are not true. When you believe religions of science to be true, your health is affected negatively when you place your trust in them. The only reason your health might be affected in good ways is, the ability of your mind to use placebo effect regarding your health, is the thing that makes you healthy even though you have beliefs in the false religions of science. After all, if science knew what it was doing, it would cure everybody. So, it is a false religion. Health and religion go hand in hand. It's just that many people have an imprecise or incorrect understanding of which religion is affecting their health, and how. ''then BB is God.'' The definition of the big bang is clearly not the definition of god in the bible, I don't see how you can say that if the big bang was real then the big bang would be god, the big bang would be the creator of the universe but the big bang is not a sentient being let alone an omniscient omnipotent one. ''Science doesn't have a clue HOW God did it. They can't even put 2 + 2 together enough to understand that it WAS God Who did it.'' But you are smarter than all of them and you do know, right? ''After all, if science knew what it was doing, it would cure everybody.'' Fallacy. After all if religion knew what it was doing and was inspired by God it would cure everybody, right? Science has cured infinitely more people than religion because religion has cured 0 people. As I said before, do you go to a church to pray when you are sick or do you go to your doctor? I'm still waiting for you to tell me what religion has found out in the last 5000 years. |
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I don't believe these studies at all, times have changed and the problem is always extremist people. Judging by religions is a mistake at this time. Or are we still living in caverns
You are believing the wrong studies. Time changes, but people don't. All you need to do to see this is look qt people of the past to see that they had heads, arms, hands, feet, legs, torsos, etc. just like we have. People still live in caves in various parts of the world. If there were an abundance of caves right now in parts of California, people would be living there rather than in the tent cities. All the skeletons and parts of skeletons of prehistoric man that we have, are so few in number that they could fit on one table. Their differences from modern mankind suggest genetic or other deformities in a few people or animals, rather than evolution. Evolution, including the timeline and formally accepted age of the earth, is a complete fable. Time for you to start learning what is real, rather than what you want to believe. ''don’t know how many hominin fossils there are in the world. There is no tabulation. The pace of discovery now is too fast to track. Each year for the last decade, anthropologists have unearthed hundreds of fossil specimens from extinct hominin species and populations. By 2012, the Sima de los Huesos hominin assemblage, near Burgos, Spain, numbered more than 6500 specimens from at least 28 individuals. Many more fossils are recovered in every field season. In South Africa, the Rising Star hominin sample today numbers more than 2000 specimens from at least 18 individuals. This deposit of hominin fossils was completely unknown until 2013. From just two caves, that is nearly 9000 fossil hominin specimens.'' https://medium.com/@johnhawks/how-much-evidence-have-scientists-found-for-human-evolution-355801dfd35chttps://anthropologynet.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/fossil-hominid-skulls.jpgYou can clearly see all the differences. |
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The fact that you were able to get merits for your posts means the system works.
I was a member already when introduced merit  and I can't say how it influenced the achievement of new merit. I would create a new account for the experiment but I'm just learning what the crypto world is and it will last longer All your merits are awarded. |
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The fact that you were able to get merits for your posts means the system works.
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The more we look at our universe and try to disprove the existence of God, the more it makes it seem like we omit certain things. When we say God, we assume it is one being which should be understood, heck we cannot even understand ourselves.
Secondly, how do we explain being at the right distance from the sun, with the right conditions, having an ozone layer and all, more so, how do we explain how perfect everything seems for life to occur.
I am also open to knowledge, but ultimately it is all about belief and I choose to believe, with the hope that if there is a heaven and I live well and make it, no harm done. Even if there is no heaven and I live by the moral codes seeming right to God, then I am saved too. The truth is at the end of the day one abbot be too careful. For the forces of evil to exist, there is also a force of good.
The distance between the sun and earth changes each year because the earth rotates in an ellipse so that's wrong. The right conditions for what, exactly? We are far from perfect, millions of species have died, we evolved and adapted to what we had here, that's why everything might seem ''perfect'' for us but it's not really. Look at how many poisonous plants are there or how many viruses that could kill us. |
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A fair warning for the OP. you should know if you are joining the challenge of the humble BTCforJoe. he used to put his balls in 100 underprivileged families mouths every morning before pouring them some soup, probably mixed with his cum. after writing some posts with good English and getting your merits. go the nearest public kitchen and open your mouth.
Next time, when you go to somebody's house, don't tell them what a shitty house they have. every new member posting a thread like this, it would make this forum a welcoming forum.
Now you just made things personal. Why do you have such a boner for me? You love to keep talking about me, and love giving me so much attention. I don't understand, really. You're not just insulting me now, but also dozens of children and families you have never met. I pity you. You're an extremely sad individual who takes this forum way too serious, and takes offense to everything. Get a life 
For the record, I've seen plenty of newbies roll through here that have a good understanding and knowledge of bitcoin/cryptocurrency before ever joining the forums. Maybe I'm naive, but I don't believe them to be alts. Alia, on the other hand, I always suspected as an alt account. You guys are being really hard on @suboz. Maybe y'all are jaded for some reason, and maybe he is an alt, but does it mean y'all have to be so mean? Obviously just because you are new to the forum doesn't mean you are new to cryptos but ''So i recently bought my first bitcoin and first 10 ethereum when a friend told me about the dip. Seems like a good time to get in the crypto market. Cool So after google some bitcoin stuff and trying to learn and I found this website'' He literally said he is new to cryptos so..... |
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