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2661  Other / Politics & Society / Re: WHY NOT ALLOW MEN TO MARRY MORE THAN ONE WIFE LIKE MUSLIMS DO on: September 21, 2017, 05:50:07 AM
Hey guys so I have been doing a lot of research  and thinking and all have proven that there are more women than men....so to equalize it all i think everyone anywhere should be allow to marry as many woman as he want in other to share all the women equally....give me your though every one 

I think that it would be not good to do that as that would be against every tenet of the core of our society. We have always believed that here should always be one man and woman and also weare tying not ot overpopulate so quickly it would be very had to do that if you give man lots of women.
2662  Economy / Economics / Re: could bitcoin be replaced by another crypto currency? on: September 21, 2017, 05:24:36 AM
i do this question because i´ve read in this website issues with bitcoin, slow mining process, high fees, etc. and i´ve read too good reviews of some altcoins, ethereum (smart contracts), ripple (for transfers between banks), dash and nem. these altcoins called 2.0. could bitcoin become just in future virtual gold reserved to companies and rich people?

Of course it can. The power of bitcoin can wane and some other cryptocurrencies can take advantage of it and be a changer in their currency. Ethereum is the closest to a rival of bitcoin but still the public chooses btc ad it is easier simpler and has stood the trst of time.
2663  Economy / Economics / Re: Maybe governments can stop bitcoin after all on: September 21, 2017, 04:50:43 AM
This is a serious discussion. I mean, after I've seen how bitcoin (and other cryptos as well) got dumped badly after an irrelevant law that makes ICOs illegal. I can only imagine now what would happen If more countries do the same thing and It could get worst by make itself bitcoin illegal. Whether we like to admit it or not, most of people would sell everything they have once its made illegal, some may continue to fight the central banking but the sad reality is that as soon as people start making profits, they will dump it and move on.

I think that the government can really have the power to dictate what comes in and out of their borders and that is why the power of the masses come in. IF the government sees that their constituents have been following and are being affected positively then they can change their mind on this.
2664  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin Is Not Really A Good Money on: September 21, 2017, 04:18:43 AM
I know, Bitcoin is designed to be as free from central bank and politician control as possible.  It is open-source, decentralized, etc.

But if you think about it, Bitcoin is still fundamentally worse than gold and silver as a truly free money.

First things first: all of gold, silver and Bitcoin are subject to central bank manipulation by pegging.  When central banks store up enough non-state money, they can sell that money for a fixed dollar or pound price, and thus suppress any appreciation of the non-state money in currency terms.  This enables the elites to acquire wealth and power for free, by issuing state currency and debt, as long as the central bank has enough of the non-state money to fight off any 'run on the bank.'

This was the real nature of the gold and silver standards through most of modern history, that mainstream economists praised for stabilizing state currencies and economies, at that time.  (Of course, they are now firmly against the gold standard, thus both times saying the elites' system was/is good for the economy.)

That said, Bitcoin suffers from the additional problem that it's secured not by physics, but by algorithm.  Algorithms can change.  Algorithms are only guarded by humans who are subject to persuasion.  At some point, the elites will have issued too many IOUs against the Bitcoin in their vaults.  Either we increase the issuance limit from 21 million, or we get a financial crisis and depression.  I imagine most of the developers will be open to talking.  (BTW, some version of this is almost guaranteed to happen, due to the nature of the world system.  For example, all countries have defaulted on their promises to redeem gold at a fixed price.)

This is in contrast to gold and silver, where violating the limit of issuance is physically impossible (or very expensive, with radioactive reactions.)

Another major weakness of Bitcoin is transparency.  In order for the public to hold the elites accountable for their monetary actions, however partially, the easier it is to observe and monitor the system, the better.  The reality is that computer networks and data structures are not easy for most of the public to understand, compared to the age-old concept of holding physical metals.

And we know from experience that the elites take full advantage of lack of public understanding.  Besides the 'gold standard good, gold standard bad' flip-flop by establishment economists, almost every major issue of finance is distorted before the public receive the wisdom passed down to it by the media (and this includes, maybe especially includes, channels tailored to the highly educated, like The Economist magazine and America's PBS television.)  Southeast Asia in the 90s, Greece recently, and Germany between world wars were made to suffer deflation after their financial crises, and the economic justification was 'moral hazard.'  The US was allowed to print devalued money to ease the pain after its own financial crises, and the economic justification was Keynesian pain relief.  (The real reason for the differentiation was that American voters had more power to disrupt the elites' system than those other populations.)

With Bitcoin so much easier to manipulate than gold and silver, no wonder, all the signs are that the elites will promote Bitcoin as the store of value of the future.  This makes even more sense when you consider it would be embarassing for the elites to promote gold or silver instead, since their prices would have to rise to a level much higher than the last time the elites tried to fix them.  Gold has appreciated 30 time since the elites' fixed postwar price of $35/ounce, and would likely have to appreciate another 30 times before a new (de-facto) gold standard can become stable.  This does not make the elites' money look good.  Bitcoin has no such history, and the elites can claim (and likely be believed) that they are merely moving money onto a new, electronic foundation that is more stable than a totally fiat system.

As I mentioned before, the elites must secretly nurture, if not openly promote, some form of safe store of value that is totally trusted by the public.  In today's world, that can only mean non-state-issued money.  The only question is which.

That's why i think that bitcoin and regular curreny has its pros and cons while I think that no currency can ever be safe from tampering or from banks. The possibilities uou can do in bitcoin is still endless and more people are still investig on it as it gives them profit that banks or in their regular money cant do.
2665  Economy / Economics / Re: Are you in the Christmas spirit? on: September 21, 2017, 03:25:58 AM
Last year, if I remember correctly, bitcoin spiked around Christmas time. It's that time of year again, and are you guys ready for some volatile action? Well I am!

I'm expecting the price to jump to almost $900. How about you?

Well, in the spirit of Christmas first it is very early to get excited however, it really fascinates me how quickly time can pass. One moment it was last christmas and now we are here again. Concerning bitcoin however I teally thinkthat its price will go up due to the fact that its christmas and people will do everything to get extra funds.
2666  Economy / Economics / Re: Would a global disaster increase or decrease the Bitcoin value ? on: September 21, 2017, 03:01:32 AM
Hi ! First message here.

If a global disaster would happen on earth ( And I somehow don't wish it ) Would the value increase or decrease ?

I'm not talking about solar flares or EMP. But more like big wars or great natural disaster.

What are your opinions on the subject ?  Cheesy

If a global disaster strikes, everything would decline not just cryptocurrency but everything else on the stock market as kf a global disaster manage to cripple networks and make other countries inaccessbile ghe more people would invest or panic sell and most of them would not be turning into bitcoin.
2667  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are We Dead Without China? on: September 20, 2017, 04:01:30 PM
China has become the powerhouse for Bitcoin (and the whole cryptocurrency in general) as it is hosting many Bitcoin miners due to cheaper electricity and maybe also cheap labors. China also boasts of probably millions of Bitcoin owners and traders who are influencing the moves of the market on day to-day basis. As far as acceptance of Bitcoin in China, it is comfortably good until such time when the government decided that it is time to intervene.

In general, the Chinese government is not comfortable with Bitcoin as it indeed representing a different currency that they can not control with. since Bitcoin is decentralized it would be hard for the government to make interventions and so they are thinking that maybe it is time to ban it altogether. The government can not kill Bitcoin but what they are doing is actually closing the country as a market for Bitcoin.

So the question is: Can Bitcoin survive without China? In case, it can't then then there is something wrong with it since it is not resilient to ride the big storm it is in.

We can survive without CHina though it has surely given Bitcoin and other countries something to think about when CHina banned it on its borders. THe most important thing though is that we try to further bitcoin on our countries sphere of influence. That way we can try to make China rethink and maybe try to overshadow the doubt that people had on Bitcoin when its stockl declined after Bitcoin was banned on China. We can still make Bitcoin great again.
2668  Economy / Economics / Re: Do you think billionaires invest in BTC? on: September 20, 2017, 03:08:17 PM
I just always wonder if those billionaires still invest in btc. Do they even know btc exist?

Of course they do. Billionaires stay rich because they always try to look for ways on how to get kore money. On where to invest and put their mo ey or where to save it. Billionaires knew the existence of this and slowly but surely are testing the waters out as tjey still want to know how much they can gain from this.
2669  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way for steady income on: September 20, 2017, 02:50:34 PM
Hello All,

What you think is the best investment to gain steady income in btc without actively doing anything?
So no trading/gambling/loaning etc.

Steady income more likely to be 'small & secure' than 'big & risky'.

Thanks,
BR Oinas

It would be I think having a stable job and then using the resources and the connections that you would be able to garner there to expand your horizons. With your world getting bigger you may now have an opportunity to have a business albeit a small one that could also be a steady source of income.
2670  Economy / Economics / Re: You should never trust banks on: September 20, 2017, 09:10:32 AM
My bank closed my account last year for no reason, and all money in my account was gone. I argued with the bank, even contacted the local government, no use. My bank just stated that "Pursuant to the CMA Disclosure and Agreement, 'THE BANK, at its discretion, may elect not to accept an account, terminate the account agreement and the account agreements of any related parties'. Both parties to the agreements have the right to end the relationship at any time and neither is obliged to provide a basis for such a decision to terminate". No single word explaing the termination was given to me. I contacted all banking lawyers online, and they were all representing the bank, not the customers. The money I lost can buy a new Mercedes. However, banks around the world now are too powerful. They are too big to fail. When you open an account in the United States, and probably also many other countries, you voluntarily give up the rights to sue the bank under their arbitrage clause. Even worse, they define the financial laws and enforce them. They can close your account, freeze and steal your property and evict you from your house. The more money you deposit into your bank account, the more you are helping the evil. I'm glad to see Bitcoin is changing all of these. Let banks die!

Its not that I don't believe you my friend. But I think that banks in essence are very important to a country, a company or in an institution. We cannot just let it die. And yes they might be shady and goves out few or minimal interests but banks are important and we have as consumers push our right that they should serve us better
2671  Economy / Economics / Re: If you have a lot of bitcoin, should you spend it or save it? on: September 20, 2017, 08:34:54 AM
Let's say I have 2.1 BTC And I don't spend it. Will it go up a few cents if I save it? Cause in my wallet I have up to about 50 cents worth of bitcoin. I started up with 13 cents 7 months ago. Now all of sudden I have bitcoins worth 50 cents. What do you call this? I only made that one 13 cent deposit. Nothing else!

I an really confused on why this is an issue, if you have a lot of bitcoin there really should be mo problem on if you spend some of it. I think it should be shluld you save it all or spend it all? It is surprising that if ylu have a lot of bitcoin then the ending would be that you saved most of it then spend a little that you are willing to splirge on.
2672  Economy / Economics / Re: Can Bitcoin also lead to corruption ? on: September 20, 2017, 07:47:42 AM
We all know that there is corruption everywhere, like in government or any other organization. Because of money, corruption can always happen with greedy people who always wants more money to them. Since bitcoin can be considered as money, can it also lead to corruption?

It is really easy to do corruption while doing bitcoin transactions. It is paperless and leaves no trace can be done everywhere and anytime as long as there are the neccessary items needed in the place that you are. It is jot regulated by some laws and you can encash and save and hide it.
2673  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin - Can it boost or break a countries economy? on: September 20, 2017, 07:27:31 AM
Most countries are in full control of their own monetary policies and financial systems. If a alternative currency is introduced, would this improve or reduce the efficiency of a country?

Will this remove their control or would it be just another payment option, like PayPal?

Why are governments so scared of Bitcoin, if they can regulate it's use. The first defensive tool seem to be banning the technology, which in my opinion should be the last resort. Should they not analyse the threat based on proper research and public participation. < like they did in Canada > and then make harsh decisions like this?

Why are they ignoring the advantages that this technology might bring and implement extreme precautions as a primary action?

Is Bitcoin really such a big threat to them or are they just misinformed on purpose? < influenced externally by people with hidden agendas >

Let's discuss this please.

Bitcoin offers a method wherein some regualtions of the regular currency can by bypassed or can be called moot. It is transactional but electronic. It is somethig that is paperless, almost do not leave a trace and some countries are approaching it with caution. Yet the truth remains it is a game changer and every country it trying its bet to find out how to utilize it.
2674  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Signature Campaign STOP??? on: September 20, 2017, 07:15:57 AM
I was backreading some topics in Marketplace and found out that signature campaign was not included in the first service of this website... What if Signature Campaign was never introduced... What else could be the Service we can apply for?Huh

Can you share where you have read that? Also there was also a thread here that actually points about the futility of the Signature Campaign as sometimes even if we garner a log of signatures or we exceed it even. Some of us or the persons involve dont listen or value it.
2675  Economy / Economics / Re: A sprinkle of realism ... on: September 20, 2017, 06:45:34 AM
... or am I being unreasonably pessimistic?

I only joined this forum a week or so ago and I'm loving it, all the different topics, all the different opinions and views.  I think I'm in danger of getting the 'investing in crypto' bug and I'm gradually gearing up to dipping my toe, probably in BTC and ETH.

However, hold on a sec.  This forum, understandably, is full of people that buy into the concept of cryptocurrency, have invested various sums, trade in the stuff and so on.  My point?  Everyone on here wants to see the value of cryptocurrency rise ... and rise ... and rise.

None of us have a crystal ball, if we did we'd be multi billionaires, however as much as I like the projected idea of BTC being worth <insert very high monitory value here> in 5-10 years, is this sort of projection valid?  Are we perhaps seeing an expected slowing down and perhaps even slight plateauing of BTC and an end to significant increases week by week?

As I say everyone on here quite rightly want to see the likes of BTC increase exponentially over the coming years, however we're all excited by the whole crypto thing.  Are we therefore at risk of looking at the whole thing through rose tinted glasses, basing our hopes on the increases of the last few years that, surely, can't continue?

Am I right ... or wrong?

I think that the people that you are seeing here are not versed really on cryptocurrency as yes we all know that we all want to see the value of bitcoin rise as it means more profit for us. But we also have to keep in mind that sometimes or most of the times the market fluctuates and we are really not sure on how the value of it can stand in a certain time. We all know this thats why some of us panic sells
2676  Economy / Economics / Re: plan for the future with bitcoin on: September 14, 2017, 05:25:00 PM
now this bitcoin has a lot to use as a place of investment
but I want bitcoin as a front investment who have done it
let's share with me how to invest with bitcoin for the future


We always have to put in perspective that Bitcoin though it has survived a lot of decline in its value have stood strong will if not finding any stability in the market will ultimately collapse. However to remedy this we can invest bitcoin on many facets so that it would have extensions of influence that might aid it in its survivability.
2677  Economy / Economics / Re: If you have a lot of bitcoin, should you spend it or save it? on: September 14, 2017, 03:59:25 PM
Let's say I have 2.1 BTC And I don't spend it. Will it go up a few cents if I save it? Cause in my wallet I have up to about 50 cents worth of bitcoin. I started up with 13 cents 7 months ago. Now all of sudden I have bitcoins worth 50 cents. What do you call this? I only made that one 13 cent deposit. Nothing else!

If I have a lot of bitcoin then I would plan some of it to save and a portion of it to spend so that I might be able to enjoy my earnings but also to enlarge my business so that I may earn more. What is important is that you plan ahead and always use this technique to earn more rather than spend more.
2678  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: SHOULD WE START LOOKING ELSE WHERE on: September 14, 2017, 03:31:34 PM
With all the negative news going around about bitcoin coursing a lot of panic and anxiety....do you this its time to look else where for a guarantee investment?
i mean may be eth doge etc....

It is every onems right to panoc and search for better options but as I have said a million times. Bitcoin has always stood firm even if its trend can decline. It has managed to stay afloat longer than the newer cryptocurrencies and has proven itself time and time again.
2679  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Cash is better than Bitcoin. on: September 14, 2017, 03:20:49 PM
What are the reasons, why people use Cash or Credit Cards / ATM / Banks?

* Work offline 100%
* No fees.
* Accepted for Food Shopping & Micropayments
* 0 confermations time
* 0 exchange risks
* anyone is able to understanding of the value of payment

Even if bitcoin or the cryptocurrency hold some pros and cons on cash. There are stillt the advantages of physical paper money that can't just be disregarded. Cash can be used anywhere and is generally accepted everywhere. Cash does not have fees and can be touched or seen as well.
2680  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin falling again on: September 14, 2017, 02:53:39 PM
OMG, Bitcoin falling again, current price = 3866USD.
What happen? we losing money every hours. Need exchange BTC to fiat?
Who can explain this situation?


Yes, this might cause some alarm to other people but if you are already used to the trends that Bitcoin have then you'll know that it is fairly normal for BTC to fall down a bit on its value. This is caused by several factors i. The market and also can raise its calue anytime. The key word here is always patience.
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