clinkle had a few flaws which other technologies already existed to fill.

high frequency sound meant that other phones had to be in listening distance. and the sounds could get missed in high Decibel area's such as near trains, busy coffee shops and music concerts.

also to note the time for 2 phones to communicate (one setting phone to listen, other setting phone to send) aswell as agreeing on the terms of the transaction, and a per-arranged identity to avoid 'man in the middle' thefts by third parties also being set to listen. made the whole transaction timely, and not practical.

where as Bluetooth for secure distance upto 100 meters could solve the issue with more convenience, or QR codes could solve the problem with more efficiency. taking a picture is faster then listening to a 4 second soundbite.

clinkle was like bringing the irritating 'white noise' of 56k modems back to a generation of 4G phones.. very impractical in today's society

which is where the wiki and bitcoin.org can be updated. and the noobs can use search functions on this forum before repeating the same questions as others have. i just find it funny when questions pop up on this forum that do have answers in those 2 places.. noobs have proven themselves time and times again that they dont do research, they just hit the new topic button. its only after maybe 100 random posts that they start realizing that this forum is not an encyclopedia with paid customer service reps, that they then meander off to begin research

edit:
to the lord and masterful. i wish to stroke your ego,
translation
im being sarcastic, you are not a god, so stop thinking because someone talks to you, they are you flock of sheep.  not everyone that responds to you is a follower of your religion, so get back under your bridge. the quote i just posted from you, is that of a person that has a big ego and deserves to be insulted.. seriously.. your EGO is bigger then the big apple.. no one is following you.. you weird little man

bitcoin wiki, and bitcoin.org already exist for this purpose

i think he means this:
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/14/facebook-e-money-transfer-service-europe

but i dont think facebook intend to use a crypto as their ledger. i think it will just be using facebook credits database, with multi FIAT currency inputs(as is right now) and soon multi FIAT outputs. much like western union

amazon are also trying to be payment processors, much like paypal.

both are missing the niche market. and purely trying to add another couple % ontop of peoples existent credit card fee's. after all both websites will still rely on visa and mastercard to get fiat in and out.

agreed we are all human. but some people new to the economy want to instantly be proclaimed as gods. if only we had the noob section back so that they had time to learn a thing or two

yes ooh mighty lord, i shall stroke your ego, i shall follow you to the ends of the earth dear lord.
bless you for returning to earth after 2000 years.

... now STFU and crawl back under your bridge

meanwhile noobs make new threads instead of searching old topics and asking their question on those old threads or updating those old threads with more recent info, to make it easier for other noobs to find such info all in one place.

instead they make new posts to attempt to appear like they have discovered something to try not appearing noobish by trying to put their name against something in an attempt to show they knew something first, before anyone else.

this last 3 months there have been dozens of threads about china, dozens about gox, dozens about shrem and people still ask questions about all three topics. all because people would rather not search and update single threads. but try to put their name against a new thread, to appear masters of knowledge discovery

iGROWyourBiz has an ego trip. take for instance his message history. atleast 15 of his 70 messages are thread starters. where he is the OP.
thats a 25% rate. my rate of starting topics is 1.48%

also the topics iGROWyourBiz has written are in the majority, been talked about many times before. yet he has not taken the subtle advice to search before he speaks. instead he wants to pretend he knows more, has discovered things first. and not be treated like a noob.

and then also ignore the subtle hints that posting info on topics that already exists is not helpful for other noobs. which makes him a bad customer service rep for the company known as bitcoin which he is the director of (there, i gave him the title he so badly seems to need, may he now live in bliss as the new god of bitcoin)

i find it funny that noobs becomes insulting when information is not handed to them on a plate the instant they ask. oh and handed to them politely like a 5 star restaurant waiter would. hopefully all noobs would realize that they have not paid for any professional consultants services, and as such should not expect professional responses.. but to expect human responses.

im saying. that you could have updated one of the many other threads with this updated info. instead of starting a new thread. this is why noobs cant find information easily. because similar topics are scattered across many threads, instead of in one place. your not doing yourself or other noobs any favours

the summary of this thread is this

everyone has an ego

noobs have the ego that they have just found some secret and that they are kings because they think they have just discovered it.
experts have the ego that they know better and that their 4 years of research shouldnt be given away freely to disrespectful and lazy noobs that dont want to learn the normal way.

in the middle is lots of trolling between the 2 sides

even "iGROWyourBiz" just as recently as 20 minutes ago from this message thought that he had discovered some brand new information that would make him famous by posting it. without even checking if its known info. (charlie shrems january arrest in regards to laundering funds)

which just proves that both noobs and experts have one thing in common. we are all flawed human beings and that bitcointalk is not a customer services department of a business, requiring politeness... but instead is a discussion forum for open opinions to be discussed.

old news since january

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440927.msg4843310#msg4843310
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=436046.msg4791654#msg4791654
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=435059.msg4779315#msg4779315
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=435035.msg4779070#msg4779070
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=435094.msg4779741#msg4779741
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=436424.msg4796951#msg4796951
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=457440.msg5045380#msg5045380

all found by searching "charlie shrem arrest"

just like the other forum thread about noobs.. you should have searched the forum to see if this is old news and then updated that thread

otherwise its just repeating the same known information and bloating up the forum with information that could have been easily found via a search.

we dont need hundred's of threads about the same topics.

many thanks for your efforts,
yours sincerely
the "customer service department of bitcoin"

(sarcasm in relation to viewpoints in the other thread)

$1000-$1500 in one week..

well unless your bill gates, then offering your skill set wont earn you that much per week. the only true way to earn upto $1.5k a week would be
extortion, prostitution, selling expensive goods.

if everyone was able to make $1.5k a week whilst only holding $4 at the start of the week then no one on this planet would need to work a day job, ever.

those that currently do make that amount is because they have spent months/years preparing themselves and growing thier projects/investments, to suddenly be at the stage to make this amount.

turning $4 into $1.5k is impossible by itself. i suggest you not find 1 way to make $1.5k in one week, but find 10 ways to make $150

and in 2020 you will be saying that 2014 was a good time to buy in.. hindsight is a bitch

most events do not physically affect 90% of people.. yet 90% of people panic over what happens to the 10%. EG mtgox 800k missing but thats only 6% of all coins in circulation

china bank news. ended up being Fud mostly because exchanges simply changed accounts, and where only a few hundred thousand coins are on those exchanges, again a small percentage of the whole economy

we need to collectively realize that unless something is 100% going to affect ALL coins in circulation. then its not worth getting emotional about.

i laugh at you people.. spending months thinking that something was going to happen. and then when it doesnt.. acting like you knew it wouldnt..

my post history shows that i have been telling people about that its 99% fud and no reason to panic.. can you all say th same about your own post history.

thats because banks got greedy, and printed more money then people wanted or needed. if banks stuck with the gold standard and only printed enough FIAT compared to gold value.. then the world would not be trillions in debt. instead the value of gold would have risen to compensate for a demand of extra fiat.

why 21mill coins is the same questions as why there are only 171,000 tonnes of gold on the planet. as that equates to less then once ounce of gold per person for the whole planet...world wide wealth exceeds the amount of gold in the world.

what about all the bitcoins lost? is the same question as what about all the gold in computer parts that ends up in landfill.. or tainted by being mixed with other metals to make it impure.. well the answer is that people have to share a depleting rare 'item'

amazon wont accept bitcoin currently... not for currency reason, but for payment processor reasons.

amazon want to become a payment processor and get small fee's per transaction. but they know that bitcoin as a processor, is a competitor..

the silly thing is that amazon is never going to be a payment processor. they are just going to be a shoppingcart. the actual payment processors are visa, mastercard, american express and bitcoin.

even paypal is not a payment processor. as they rely on banks/card services to do the processing.

one day amazon will learn their position in life/industry and realize that being a shopping card for merchants and users, is their niche and then to accept all forms of payment processors such as amex, visa, mastercard, bitcoin will all benefit amazon.

calling a 'expert' lazy and and unable to comprehend (meaning stupid), yet wanting experts to help noobs skip doing the research, and also offer this advice freely... is that a good trait for noobs to have?? and maybe even slightly hypocritical?

basing investments purely on emotion and personality of people you talk to are not good traits to being a good investor. you should base your investments on the qualities of the 'product' not the people.

the gold market is just as full of ego-maniacs, greedy hoarders, and people that will tell you to buy when they, themselves are ready to sell. so don't base your investments on other people. as that is how 'panic due to fud' overrules your decisions instead of natural value growth.

also searching for the answers first shows you to be a wiser person then just asking the same question that has been asked many times. it is a known fact that it really does irritate people to be asked the same question many times, where the answer can be answered by simply looking. EG car journeys "are we there yet" (if the car is still moving, its obvious they are not there yet)

there are genuine 'noobs' that do show that they are willing to learn and show some sort of coherent way of asking a question. but then there are others that seem to want to know the answers to everything in one go, without doing any research.

many of the 'experts' have spend months-years to learn everything there is to know about bitcoin and they can get irritated when 'noobs' think that it only takes 1 misunderstood question to gain equal amount of knowledge in a shorter time period.

i agree that 'experts' do need to sometimes keep there emotions in check (even i have failed this point at times) but i think noobs need to realise they wont get the answer to the meaning of life in just 10 posts of asking questions. and they should definitely not base their investment strategy on the personalities of people either.