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26781  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 11, 2014, 09:38:39 PM
How high will it go?  There is plenty of posts on the speculation threads to get an idea of what many people believe.  However, the consensus seems to be on the next rally we will hit $5000 or so.  The question is how long do we have to wait for the next rally!

That is the consensus only among those who think that the next rally will hit 5000$ or so.  There are other opinions.  Even doubts that the price will ever get to 1000$ again.

Bitchick, you gotta admit that Jorge got you in this post.   Cheesy

You did assert something to the effect that there is a consensus among those who are of the belief that BTC will reach $5k that it will in fact reach $5k... he he he...  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy  I know that you did NOT use those words exactly, but still, your statement was insufficiently qualified in order to make it more accurate... or at least a ballpark description of the sentiment of some BTC bulls.

tl; dr... If you are NOT careful, posters like Jorge will GET YOU...  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
26782  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: October 11, 2014, 09:21:18 PM
Did any of you stop to think that Satoshi = Sir Richard?

no


there should be no decimals, only whole numbers

When btc is a billion $, (or whatever, I can't count), decimals can be added


So you want us to work from satoshis.  Personally, I believe that you are the exception, and most people are good with two decimal places b/c we are used to it, and we can easily identify two digits behind the decimal without developing a major brain fart.

So it seems that we agree on two digits beyond the decimal.  It's just a matter of how it gets implemented.  I wasn't being totally serious in my answer but I guess my point was not to do it in a way that necessitates the need to keep making changes.  

Now that we have solved that, how about world peace?


BTW I just talked to Satoshi and he thinks that everybody here speculating about his identity is really quite amusing. Smiley

It seems that you are never really going to get away without making some kind of change, at least under the hood... Bitcoins are not real physical bits, anyhow, they are digital, so why does it matter if there is change?   

I can pay for a cup of coffee or an iphone or a motorcycle or a lambo or a yaht... there are so many different valuations, and NOT matter what there is going to be change.... or one person transmits BTC to another person and then the second person transmits back.  Even the technical-side explanations of the transmittals of bitcoin does NOT cause us to rest b/c bitcoin is anything but simple.    NONETHELESS, I believe that I get your point (and we seem to agree about making interface matters easier for the user).

For example, let's say you have 1 bitcoin in your bitcoin wallet, and you come over to my place because you want to buy my bicycle for .7 bitcoin.  I tell you that I am not taking anything less than .8btc, and in the end we agree upon .75btc.  Apparently, even the transmission of that .75BTC from you to me does NOT cause one straight forward transmission of the btc, but instead causes several transmissions, and I do NOT even know how to explain it (or whether I understand it, but so long as I get the .75BTC and you still have .25BTC in your wallet, then what does it matter?).  

I realize that the transmission of BTC and a lot of aspects of BTC are complicated beyond my ability to understand them.  Further, I am NOT sure whether as an end user I need to understand the technicalities as long as I am easily able to use the system to accomplish my objectives of storing and/or transmitting value and I can understand the value... and I believe part of the point to convert from the BTC to the XBT is to make the whole value concept more concrete for the masses, even though making a change to the unit does not really change anything about the fundamental technicalities of either system.

 Anyhow, my point is that it seems inevitable that some change is going to need to be made in the process of making BTC transactions (at least under the hood).. even though maybe NOT at the user consciousness level.. and the place of the decimal would NOT really change the fundamentals.
26783  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 11, 2014, 08:44:51 PM
Hello everybody, i new in here, where price of BTC go next? Should i buy now, or wait one day longer?
Price seems very low right now? I already have 30 but i want more.


Hi new in here:

How much money you have?  Are you invested in other assets?  what's your timeline, goals and risk profile?

Seems a bit strange that you have already managed to acquire 30BTC, but you seem to have little clue about whether to buy more and accordingly be able to assess your own view of probabilities regarding BTC's future price performance?

ARe you trolling us, new in here?

wow. just wow.


Wow, What?  I thought that you were ignoring me? 
26784  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 11, 2014, 08:31:33 PM
Hello everybody, i new in here, where price of BTC go next? Should i buy now, or wait one day longer?
Price seems very low right now? I already have 30 but i want more.

Ask ChartBuddy, he seems to be really confident.

Do you have mail adress from Mr./Mrs. Chartbuddy?


Yeah Chartbuddy is, Richy_T's little baby.   Cheesy Cheesy

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=67210
26785  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 11, 2014, 08:27:57 PM
Hello everybody, i new in here, where price of BTC go next? Should i buy now, or wait one day longer?
Price seems very low right now? I already have 30 but i want more.


Hi new in here:

How much money you have?  Are you invested in other assets?  what's your timeline, goals and risk profile?

Seems a bit strange that you have already managed to acquire 30BTC, but you seem to have little clue about whether to buy more and accordingly be able to assess your own view of probabilities regarding BTC's future price performance?

ARe you trolling us, new in here?
26786  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Rise and Rise of Bitcoin - Watch the Full Movie for Free on: October 11, 2014, 07:49:56 PM
Yesterday I downloaded from the pirate bay torrent, and the quality from the torrent was good.

Here’s my quickie layman’s review:  The documentary presents a good overview of bitcoin history... but surely seems to emphasize that bitcoin remains far from being out of the woods in its development and its path forward.. including various depictions of the sad aspects of various bitcoin business failings, such as Gox, Trading Hill and BitInstant. 

The protagonist, Dan Mross, seemed as if he was in real positive spirits in the beginning of the filming which started in mid-2012; however, as time passed, the movie seemed to show several periods in which his enthusiasm waned and turned somewhat downward towards the end (which seemed to be mostly in 2013 with a few clips in early 2014).  Part of the negative consequences with D. Mross was that he seemed to be losing good money on various BTC mining set-ups, and even referring to the fact that in mid-2012, he had sent 2,700 BTC to Aisics in order to buy some mining equipment (that was while BTC prices were well below $20).  In fact, the film did NOT really follow up with specific discussions of those difficulties which seemed to cause a bit stressed D. Mross to get involved with mining and then have various set backs and it seems that he even came to the realization that it may have been better just to buy coins and sit on them rather than to spend so much time and energy attempting to mine.  That issue was NOT really fleshed out.   

Also, there seemed to be some lingering depression, especially through the end of the film, regarding the failures of some businesses and the real tangible impacts on real living people.

I liked that the editors of the film juxtaposed scenes within, yet they largely kept the presentation in chronological order.   At the same time, it felt to me as if the title of the documentary was NOT quite correct because even though there was good news contained throughout the documentary, the end (and even the current state of bitcoin) does NOT seem like a "rise and rise" - in spite of Bitcoin prices still remaining more than 3x last year's prices.

With various BTC business failings and some questions regarding the role of governmental regulations, there seemed to have been some negative emphases and even unresolved dilemmas that were left open in the end of the film. 

I believe that the producers and editors could have improved upon the ending of the documentary by balancing some of the negative BTC developments and putting together a few of the positive BTC stories that are quite wide-spread in the current bitcoin space, including pointing out some of the great ongoing developments such as providing statistics concerning adoption, merchants, exchanges, liquidation opportunities, etc.

Overall the film was put together very well with several stimulating visuals  and fairly important and relevant discussions and in-person interviews with people who have been serving as movers and shakers in the bitcoin space.  Funny that the movie captures in time and without always knowing for sure about the actual intentions of the involved persons but realizing that these were real people with real human difficulties to survive in the BTC space, including trying to fit their real eating and sleeping needs into their BTC focused schedules.
26787  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 11, 2014, 10:02:12 AM
Why did the buying pressure suddenly stop? People were buying like crazy. What happened?
Oh wait, idiot scum traders were dumping on everyone who dared to buy and take the price up.

Well done on killing possibly the last uptrend of the year within 2 days.

Traders are Bitcoin's cancer.


There may be a lull in the trading; however, it seems to be premature to write-off the weekend... I am NOT so positive that the battle is over, yet even though there may be signs of a temporry truce.....

NONETHELESS,  I am expecting that there could be some battle action over the weekend.... watching patiently... though maybe this weekend could turn out to be boring? 
26788  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: October 11, 2014, 09:34:15 AM
Did any of you stop to think that Satoshi = Sir Richard?

no


there should be no decimals, only whole numbers

When btc is a billion $, (or whatever, I can't count), decimals can be added


So you want us to work from satoshis.  Personally, I believe that you are the exception, and most people are good with two decimal places b/c we are used to it, and we can easily identify two digits behind the decimal without developing a major brain fart.
26789  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 11, 2014, 09:24:49 AM
Dont drive you dummy, last thing you need to do is get into an accident, dui or even kill someone else.

Yeah, then what will happen to this thread? 
26790  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 11, 2014, 09:18:23 AM
We have separate his and hers bathrooms, if MrsPiggles ever complains about my toilet seat being up I tell her to use her own goddamn bathroom.




That's what's great about Mr. Piggles, he's got a good 3/4 or more of this shit figured out.... especially when it comes to the role of Mrs. Piggles...  Cheesy Cheesy
26791  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 11, 2014, 03:42:47 AM
any ideas for a new poll?


Yes... something like below, but maybe changing the prediction date to Tuesday, since Monday is a USA bank holiday.


24 critical hours ahead of us

Even though "critical" has been a bit of a exaggeration in this thread, I was thinking that this upcoming weekend could be critical... and maybe there could be a related poll question?

The BTC price at the close of business on next Monday will be?   

(I know that a problem with "close of business" is that bitcoin never closes; however, Adam may like a term like this b/c he seems to love ambiguous polls  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy)


Less than $310?

Between $310 and $330?

Between $330 and $350?

Between $350 and $375?

Between $375 and $400?

Greater than $400?

Greater than $500?


Edit:  Added below two new options to accommodate some of the bullish sentiments in this thread.

Greater than $700?

new ATH?



26792  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 11, 2014, 03:32:40 AM

Earlier in this thread, linked below, Hdbuck sent out a link concerning the documentary:  The Rise and Rise of Bitcoin.  There were some early showings of this documentary a week ago, and then some additional releases of the documentary coming out this week.

Here is a link that you can download through a torrent client. 
http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/11183060/...tcoin_-_HD

My quickie personal review of the documentary:

Overall the documentary presents a good overview of bitcoin history... but surely seems to emphasize that bitcoin remains far from being out of the woods in its development and its path forward.. including various depictions of the sad aspects of various bitcion business failings, such as Gox, Trading Hill and BitInstant. 

The guy that was narrating within the documentary seemed as if he was in real positive spirits in the beginning of the filming of the movie which started in mid-2012; however, as time passed, the movie seemed to show several periods in which his enthusiasm waned and turned somewhat downward towards the end (which seemed to be late 2013 and early 2014).  Part of the negative consequences with the narrator was that he seemed to be losing good money on various BTC mining set-ups, and even referring to the fact that in mid-2012, he had sent 2,700 BTC to Aisics in order to buy some mining equipment (that was while BTC prices were well below $20.  In fact, the film did NOT really discuss those difficulties which seemed to cause a bit stressed on the narrator to get involved with mining and then have set backs and maybe even coming to the realization that it may have been better just to buy coins and sit on them rather than to spend so much energy mining.   Also, there seemed to be some depression regarding the failure of some businesses and the real tangible impacts on real people.

I liked that the editors of the film juxtaposed scenes within, yet they largely kept the presentation in chronological order.   At the same time, it felt to me as if the title of the documentary was NOT quite correct because even though there was good news contained throughout the documentary,  the end (and even the current state of bitcoin) does NOT seem like a "rise and rise of bitcoin" - in spite of Bitcoin prices still remaining more than 3x last year's prices..  With various BTC business failings and some questions regarding the role of governmental regulations, there seemed to have been some negative emphases and even unresolved dilemmas in the end of the film. 

I believe that the producers and editors could have improved the ending of the documentary by balancing some of the negative BTC developments and putting together a few of the positive BTC stories including pointing out some of the great ongoing developments in the bitcoin space (such as providing statistics concerning adoption, merchants, exchanges, liquidation opportunities, etc).

Overall the whole film was put together very well with several stimulating visuals  and fairly important and relevant discussions and in-person interviews with people who have been trying to be movers and shakers (and without always knowing for sure about the actual intentions of the actors but realizing that they were real people with real human difficulties to survive in the BTC space, including trying to fit into their schedules being able to eat and sleep).









Thanks.. I had tried to download it earlier from another link and I could NOT get it to work, but that link seems to be downloading.... looks like about 25 minutes to download...

Have you watched it?  I heard that the production took place over several years... Any comments?
26793  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 11, 2014, 02:32:24 AM
here we go this is the start of the run up to 400

this is our history!!!

He needed the human mic from the "occupy" movement.  NOT sure how many of those guys (and gals - just kidding) heard his speech?

nope, is it on youtube?

Call me a skeptic.... wtvr,   the whole situation doesn't seem real to me... like I have my doubts about whether those guys in the back could have heard him very well.  

I am also skeptical about santa clause, the tooth fairy and the easter bunny.....

Maybe I have been reading too much of this thread, losing some faith and turning me into a kind of shroomie?  

you'd be surprised how far a voice can carry on an open field, when everyone STFU and listens.

and in any case, when the guys in the front go WOOT, its best to just listen and copy.

this is indeed how it went down, i remember it well, i died that day  Wink.

Well, if you put it like that, then o.k... and if you were there, then you should have a better idea than me.. and plus it's on u tube, like you mentioned, so I mean, they wouldn't get those kinds of basic details wrong.. I mean I could hear the speech pretty well when I played it.
26794  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 11, 2014, 02:24:22 AM
Mark K-Mart down as another retailer to get CC info hacked. When will people ever learn? Bitcoin to the rescue!

Link or it didn't happen....  Cheesy
26795  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: October 11, 2014, 02:13:20 AM

"Currencies today operate with two decimal spaces to the right ($1.00). In Bitcoin, there are currently eight so one could theoretically pay you 0.00000001 or one hundred-millionth of a Bitcoin. Not only is this confusing for consumers, it does not fit in existing systems and software for accounting practices."

So the standard would already have a rounding error of at least $1.80 (0.005 bitcoins). As soon as we go up again, that will only increase...

It seems that you are getting the unit wrong.  

The author is NOT talking about going back 3 decimal places, but instead he is talking about going back 6 decimal places.  Currently, if my calculations are correct, 6 decimal places would cause a $364.85 per BTC valuation to have an exchange price of $.00036485 per XBT - or $1 would buy you 274.09 XBTs which is 27,409 satoshis.

yep, this thread already had this discussion starting at page 278 and later
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=400235.msg9124067#msg9124067

Yes, I had already read through the earlier posts of this thread, but I was attempting to respond to the contents of mmortal03's above post... b/c it seems to me that when he referred to a "rounding error" (as bolded above) he seems to have gotten the calculations wrong and even the concept wrong - b/c moving to a smaller bitcoin unit should lessen, rather than increase, the severity of any rounding error that might exist.
26796  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 11, 2014, 02:08:14 AM
By the way, Adam, I recall from a few days ago that you were planning to buy back in the $339 area? 

Did you buy back in, yet? 

Maybe this weekend there may be a dip to those $330s price territory? 

I suppose we have to see how tonight and tomorrow play out first?  I am thinking that there may be some upward movement in the next 12 hours.. and maybe even up to 36 hours... and maybe up past $400-ish, up to maybe $420?

Then maybe downward pressures thereafter... towards the end of the weekend...  maybe attempting an overall downward test of the resistance until sometime on Monday... Currently, I have my doubts about any real ability to push BTC prices below $320, though. 

None of my expectations are causing me to sell any BTC, just causing me to consider points in which I may be able to accumulate some more coins at the cheapest possible price......

Shut up shroomie, I am NOT hoping for these kinds of price movements, I am merely attempting to plan for it.

Maybe next week, BTC prices will go upwards and breach $450-ish?
26797  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 11, 2014, 01:56:14 AM
here we go this is the start of the run up to 400

this is our history!!!

He needed the human mic from the "occupy" movement.  NOT sure how many of those guys (and gals - just kidding) heard his speech?

nope, is it on youtube?

Call me a skeptic.... wtvr,   the whole situation doesn't seem real to me... like I have my doubts about whether those guys in the back could have heard him very well. 

I am also skeptical about santa clause, the tooth fairy and the easter bunny.....

Maybe I have been reading too much of this thread, losing some faith and turning me into a kind of shroomie? 
26798  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: October 11, 2014, 01:49:14 AM

"Currencies today operate with two decimal spaces to the right ($1.00). In Bitcoin, there are currently eight so one could theoretically pay you 0.00000001 or one hundred-millionth of a Bitcoin. Not only is this confusing for consumers, it does not fit in existing systems and software for accounting practices."

So the standard would already have a rounding error of at least $1.80 (0.005 bitcoins). As soon as we go up again, that will only increase...

It seems that you are getting the unit wrong. 

The author is NOT talking about going back 3 decimal places, but instead he is talking about going back 6 decimal places.  Currently, if my calculations are correct, 6 decimal places would cause a $364.85 per BTC valuation to have an exchange price of $.00036485 per XBT - or $1 would buy you 274.09 XBTs which is 27,409 satoshis.
26799  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 11, 2014, 01:29:28 AM
here we go this is the start of the run up to 400

this is our history!!!

He needed the human mic from the "occupy" movement.  NOT sure how many of those guys (and gals - just kidding) heard his speech?
26800  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 11, 2014, 12:35:18 AM
Anybody any tips on meeting women? I'm turning 45 this winter, have no social life and haven't touched a woman in...well, a long time.

I usually don't get into off-topic, but this is relevant to investing in a not-too-roundabout way. It's very hard to make good investment decisions if you're sexually frustrated, or if you're relying on getting rich as the way to solve this area of your life.

First, most obvious thing: stop spending time online (no computer except maybe dating sites, no phone except for setting up in-person meets). Never be home. NEVER. BE. HOME. Home is for sleep, breakfast, and sex. Everything else is out there. Stop doing every anti-social/unsocial thing you're doing and start doing social things where you actually interact with people face to face. Doesn't matter what it is or who it is, because for the first few weeks practice is your only goal.

And for those times that you must be online, because you're addicted to content, watching TV/movies is way better than reading things. Couchtuner has most of the good shows. Comedies like Wilfred and visceral shows like Vikings will at least put you in a decent semi-social mindset before you go out. Better yet, take a laptop or smartphone to a coffee shop and watch there. Of course you'll have to graduate from that, but start small if you have to.

You can read pickup books if you want to, as they may provide inspiration on what's possible and open your mind, but beware that a most of them focus on the wrong things (gimmicks, getting numbers) rather than correcting the basic errors most guys end up with from years of indoctrination: scarcity mindset, putting her on a pedestal, taking yourself too seriously, etc. If you want to see material of this nature, as far as I'm aware of, you have to go back 15 years to the Usenet newsgroup alt.seduction.fast circa 1999-2001, which I don't even know how to browse now. Anyway, if you look hard and you need it, you can find it. Even there you have to carefully sort the wheat from the chaff, of course, but there is a lot less harmful advice. Re: The Game (Neil Strauss), it's definitely not the right mindset overall but in with the silliness there are some gems so if you've never done well in your life it can help. I'd look elsewhere first.

Now, nuts and bolts: Never turn down a request to hang out with someone, go to every gathering, party, etc. Find groups that share your interests, hiking clubs, tennis circles, Bitcoin meetups... no matter what it is, it's definitely going to be better than whatever you're doing that led to no social life and not touching a woman in a long time. And do it all, every day have multiple things in your schedule, even better would be to get a part-time job that requires social contact, like being a waiter. Look up every event, festival, concert, etc. in your area, put them in your scheduler and go to as many as you can. Anything to force you out of the house and to interact with people, or at least just be around people as a start.

Alcohol is called a social lubricant for a reason. If you don't drink and have no history of problems with alcohol, I invite you to start - but only in social settings! Drink a decent amount three times a week, at a bar or other such place, never to excess but just enough to get a solid social buzz. (To do this comfortably might require eating better and exercising more, which is a great idea anyway, and you'll need to drink a lot more water.) This alone can work wonders. If, as your name suggests, you prefer other substances, force yourself to only do them with other people. Once you're drinking, it will be way easier to talk to people and make friends. In fact, "drink until girls start returning eye contact" and "drink until you strike up conversations without even noticing" are good guidelines to ensure you're drinking enough (feeling sick, uncoordinated, sloppy, etc. are of course signs you drank too much). At first it might be that you get sloppy drunk and still aren't able to overcome social anxiety, but don't worry; just like in investing, "the trend is your friend" and you're moving in the right direction even if it might take a few weeks to see results. You have to see the upside even when it feels like nothing good is coming, knowing you're doing things that will change your results despite any short term inertia and noise. In other words, you have to HODL through it.

Just keep drinking 3x per week outside the house, keep exercising, keep going out, never be home, never do anything unsocial, never use the computer, never refuse an invitation, fill your schedule with meets any way you can, never dwell on negative thoughts, never analyze, just get out there for a few weeks and it will start to happen naturally. Input creates output; whatever you're doing every day is creating a certain mindset in you that creates a social output that is not working. Hanging out on the Internet and whatever else is pushing you down socially. Take that giant millstone off your neck and start doing all the things that you know push you up socially, and it won't be long before things turn around, assuming you've ever had any success before.

Once you feel up to it, you can do more deliberate things. One easy progression when you're out on the street, at a mall, etc. is to simply lock eye contact with every person you pass. Once you can do that, eye contact and smile. Then graduate to a "Hi!" if you want. That alone will put you in a much more social state.

Then as far as women specifically, you'll want to either go to bars/clubs/etc. or rely on connections, or use the Internet, or do cold/buzzed approaches, or better yet kitchen sink it. Do it all, and do it all at once. If you have specific problems after several weeks, PM me.

Those are real great suggestions for anyone.. and some of the ideas could be tweaked to the extent that a person may feel a need to mix up his/her situation and already getting some decent result or is already employing some socializing activities... ...
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