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2681  Economy / Speculation / Re: But if China gov say mining is illegal, we are fucked. Haipo Yang‏ ViaBTC CEO on: September 19, 2017, 05:01:42 PM
It would be extremely dumb for them to do it.  consider they are creating tremendous value out of both the mining and the sales / development of mining equipment.


Totally agree. Bitcoin is solving a problem in China right now. In some regions there are Electricity plants build but there is no electricity network built to transfer that electricity to regions where is needed. Bitcoin solve this, since they just mine BTC with that electricity surplus, and with that way sort of store electricity.  there is zero chances they will do that. All China will do is to mimimize ICO scams. Same as USA is already doing and all other countries will follow.
They wont really do such thing and they are making money out of it i dont think that they would stop such thing.Even if they would decide to ban bitcoin they cant do anything about it and would stood still as long there are people who do make use of it.I do somehow agree on regulating ICO instead it did might affect the price but i eventually like the regulation that they made.

LOL

The Communist Party do not care so much about money. They care way more about control. China will ban mining.
2682  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-09-18] Dubai Financial Regulator Issues ICO Warning on: September 19, 2017, 06:22:03 AM
Oh boy! Here we go again~ Sad

Dubai money/btc is way more decentralized than China. But is probably big money. Especially as first invertors in ICO.
2683  Local / Brasil / Re: [ALERTA] Bitcointoyou insolvente! on: September 19, 2017, 03:50:25 AM
O Andr'e 'e ativo aqui no forum. Tire as duvidas com ele. Agora esse tipo de comentario toxico 'e pessimo e criminoso.
2684  Bitcoin / Press / [2017-09-18]China’s Latest plans represents some of the most draconian WSJ on: September 18, 2017, 06:02:01 PM
China’s Interference on Bitcoin Tests Currency’s Foundation
Latest plans represents some of the most draconian measures any government has taken to control bitcoin
Regulators have decided on a comprehensive ban on channels for the buying or selling of bitcoin in China.

BEIJING—Chinese authorities are moving toward a broad clampdown on bitcoin trading, testing the resilience of the virtual currency as well as the idea its decentralized nature protects it from government interference.

Regulators have decided on a comprehensive ban on channels for the buying or selling of the virtual currency in China that goes beyond plans to shut commercial bitcoin exchanges, according to people familiar with the matter.

Officials communicated the message to several industry executives at a closed-door meeting in Beijing on Friday, according to people who were at the meeting. Until last week, many entrepreneurs in China’s bitcoin circles had thought authorities might shut down only commercial trading activity while tolerating peer-to-peer, or over-the-counter, bitcoin platforms, which enable buyers and sellers to find each other and trade directly.


The Chinese plan represents some of the most draconian measures any government has taken to control bitcoin, created by an anonymous programmer nearly a decade ago as an alternative to official currencies, and word of it sent another wave of anxiety through the Chinese bitcoin community.

China has digitized its financial sector faster than any other nation. Authorities continue to support the trend, though their public comments also suggest concern bitcoin could weaken official control of the country’s money supply.

The crackdown on the bitcoin ecosystem represents Beijing’s possibly biggest effort so far to limit expansion of a system to rival the yuan. In a previous crackdown, in 2009, the central bank banned the use of tokens valued at billions of dollars created in China’s massive online-gaming networks for real-world purchases.

Bit of Uncertainty

China’s clampdown on bitcoin has hurt global prices and domestic trading volumes; for now the country remains a major center for bitcoin mining.


Mining in 2017*


Share by country
Daily trading
Share by currency
Bitcoin price
$5,000
100
%
Others
Others
China
Yen
35.3%
64.7%
Euro
4,000
75
3,000
50
Dollar
2,000
25
Yuan
1,000
0
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2016


Sources: coindesk (price); bitcoinity.org (trading volume, mining)
A quasiregulatory body called the National Internet Finance Association of China (NIFA) warned investors about virtual currency trading in a statement last week and said that bitcoin platforms lack “legal basis” to operate in the country.

A goal of China’s monetary regulation is to ensure that “the source and destination of every piece of money can be tracked,” Li Lihui, a NIFA official told a technology conference in Shanghai on Friday.

A lack of clarity from regulators has fueled worries about how far the government will go. One uncertainty, for example, is whether the ban will affect bitcoin deals made over social-messaging apps such as WeChat . People in the industry say a wave of bitcoin users in recent days migrated from WeChat to the encrypted messaging service Telegram.

A broader clampdown will likely include blocking mainland access to websites of foreign bitcoin exchanges such as Coinbase in the U.S. and Bitfinex in Hong Kong, say people familiar with the matter.

Last weekend, the largest domestic bitcoin exchanges—BTCC, Huobi and OKCoin—all said they would halt trading services in the coming weeks, sending prices of bitcoin on the global market tumbling. Bitcoin traded at $3,947 apiece on Monday evening in Beijing, roughly 26% off its high of $4,960.72 on Sept. 1.

Industry advocates hail bitcoin for allowing users to transact with each other without the involvement of a central authority. In reality, users access the market for virtual currencies via services and businesses that are centralized in real locations and therefore are susceptible to third parties. Any attempt by China to interfere broadly in the bitcoin network would test that notion further.

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On the flip side, if bitcoin does prove resilient, China could be shutting itself out of a growing global market. As recently as last year, China accounted for the bulk of global bitcoin trading activity, but its share has dropped dramatically since the government started attempting to cool the market. China now accounts for less than 15% of bitcoin trading volume.

Blocking overseas exchange sites would add them to a long list of websites Beijing considers too sensitive, including Google and Facebook.

Chinese authorities haven’t made public their stance on virtual currency trading. The People’s Bank of China and the Ministry of Internet and Information Technology didn’t respond to requests for comment on bitcoin measures.

A document passed around at Friday’s meeting and reviewed by The Wall Street Journal instructs Beijing-based exchanges to unwind their operations and provide information on bank accounts used for clients’ deposits by Wednesday.

While China’s sway in bitcoin trading volumes has faded, the country remains a major creator of new bitcoin through a process called mining. Chinese bitcoin miners operate a vast collection of computers for the purpose in remote areas like northwestern Xinjiang, where they can access electricity for cheap.

Until now, Chinese miners considered themselves immune from Beijing’s evolving stance on bitcoin trading. One entrepreneur said miners are now worried about authorities moving to limit their operations. “Using VPNs as a workaround will be difficult,” he said, referring to virtual private networks that allow users to circumvent China’s so-called Great Firewall.

Chinese miners loom large in the global bitcoin mining network, also serving an important role in the upkeep of the bitcoin ledger. Potential interference in how they connect to and use the internet could disrupt, at least temporarily, both the creation of new bitcoin and the speed at which global bitcoin transactions are confirmed, say people in the industry.

The stepped-up tightening by regulators comes as China’s top leaders have been vocal about battling money laundering, in advance of an important leadership transition this fall. Last week, China’s State Council released guidelines aimed at better coordination between regulators to address the transfer of capital for illicit purposes.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-widens-bitcoin-crackdown-beyond-commercial-trading-1505733976?mod=e2tw
2685  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 18, 2017, 07:22:36 AM
How long until 4k? 10 minutes, 1 hour?
2686  Economy / Speculation / Re: But if China gov say mining is illegal, we are fucked. Haipo Yang‏ ViaBTC CEO on: September 18, 2017, 07:21:46 AM
I'm not sure how mining can be illegal. By this analogy they can ban all producers of equipment also. This is ridiculous, cannot happen. Those kind of news are more FUD and they have their role in Bitcoin downtrend.

'We' as china.. not 'we' as #bitcoin

actually "We" as in "ViaBTC and bitmain who sells mining equipment" not even Chinese! people can continue to use bitcoin, even miners may be able to continue working fine but big companies that have been selling "cloudmining" aka ViaBTC or mining equipment aka Bitmain will be fucked.
Bitcoin mining is industry now and those large pools will just be allocated and will continue to work under less good conditions regarding to cost of electricity. But this will reflect on price. Miners won't dump under price..

it is China. Government can do whatever they feel it is right. They could ban people from using socks on the right feet...

They will make adm from chat groups and forums be responsible for everything that happens on there. And facing jail time if something wrong happened.
2687  Economy / Speculation / Re: But if China gov say mining is illegal, we are fucked. Haipo Yang‏ ViaBTC CEO on: September 18, 2017, 04:48:31 AM
Most nodes are in Germany and USA. But nodes do not affect prices as Miners or trade volume.
2688  Economy / Speculation / Re: But if China gov say mining is illegal, we are fucked. Haipo Yang‏ ViaBTC CEO on: September 18, 2017, 03:31:28 AM
Anyone know the proportion of mining through countries?

I dont know how accurate this data is but its posted back in july 2017

https://www.buybitcoinworldwide.com/mining/pools/

Hope this will help you in something

Pool Concentration in China
Before we get into the best mining pools to join, it’s important to note that most mining pools are in China. Many only have Chinese websites and support. Mining centralization in China is one of Bitcoin’s biggest issues at the moment.

There are about 20 major mining pools. Broken down by the percent of hash power controlled by a pool, and the location of that pool’s company, we estimate that Chinese pools control ~81% of the network hash rate




China is home to many of the top Bitcoin mining companies:

F2Pool, AntPool, BTCC, and BW.

It’s estimated that these mining pools own somewhere around 60% of Bitcoins hash power, meaning they mine about 60% of all new bitcoins.
2689  Economy / Speculation / Re: But if China gov say mining is illegal, we are fucked. Haipo Yang‏ ViaBTC CEO on: September 18, 2017, 02:11:49 AM
Anyone know the proportion of mining through countries?
2690  Economy / Speculation / But if China gov say mining is illegal, we are fucked. Haipo Yang‏ ViaBTC CEO on: September 18, 2017, 01:16:43 AM


https://twitter.com/yhaiyang
2691  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Turn $10,000 into 1 Million on: September 18, 2017, 12:40:26 AM
I remember you saying before China crash that you would like to decrease your position on Segwit coins. But you still believe in LTC as a bank. So your plan is to sustain less than 30% of LTC in your wallet?
2692  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Expat trader in China on: September 17, 2017, 06:55:30 AM
You should go to weibo and ask there. And then come back here with the answer. I simply do not get how people are still buying Bitcoins in exchange if they can't make any deposit.
2693  Local / Criptomoedas Alternativas / Re: [ANN][ICO] Relançada! Projetado para todas as ICO de merda. 999 trilhões! on: September 17, 2017, 04:06:51 AM
É isso que a comunidade tava precisando Cheesy uma shitcoin/shittoken de verdade! Grin

Hahahahaha Exatamente. Ao menos eles são transparentes
2694  Local / Criptomoedas Alternativas / [ANN][ICO] Relançada! Projetado para todas as ICO de merda. 999 trilhões! on: September 16, 2017, 10:13:51 PM
Houve tantas ICOs de merda, tanta estupidez e loucura que decidimos relançar a moeda SHIT como um token ERC-20 projetado especificamente para o espaço ICO. SHIT tokens será distribuído às pessoas que investiram nas ICO de merda.


O TOKEN SHIT
Bom para suas plantas!


Especificações
Isso é merda!

  • ERC-20 Ethereum token
  • No Premine, No Presale, Sem bônus de ICO
    • Símbolo da moeda: SHIT
    • Suprimento total: 999 Trilhões (999,000,000,000,000) SHIT! Isso é tão meritório e absurdamente ridículo quanto qualquer possibilidade de ICO pode ter alguma chance. Todo mundo é um bilionário!
      • Whitepaper: necessário (ver recompensas)



    Distribuições
    Obtenha alguma coisa por sua merda!

    A maior parte do fornecimento de tocos SHIT é alocada para distribuições para pessoas que investiram em ICO de merda. O mais majestoso é o melhor! Os detalhes exatos ainda não foram finalizados. Estamos à procura dos comentários da comunidade sobre esta ideia. Como fazemos isso de uma maneira divertida? Vamos compartilhar alguns tokens com as pessoas que fizeram investimentos de merda e vamos convidá-los para a nossa comunidade.

    Também usaremos o mesmo processo para distribuir tokits SHIT aos detentores da moeda original de POW SHIT. Eles já possuem merda. Vamos levá-los a bordo! Havia poucas provas de dinheiro no mercado. Precisaremos de ajuda nisso (ver recompensas).

    70% de todos os tokens são alocados para distribuições para pessoas que investiram em ICO de merda
    10% serão distribuídos em nossa própria ICO
    20% irão para recompensas e desenvolvedores da ShitTeam


    SHIT ICO
    Lave seu dinheiro no banheiro!

    10% da oferta total da SHIT serão distribuídos durante o ICO. 99,9 Trilhões (99,900,000,000,000) SHIT
    A data de início da ICO será anunciada em breve, a ICO durará uma semana
    Você só pode contribuir com Éter
    Você precisa possuir as chaves privadas para sua carteira Ethereum ou você não receberá SHIT!

    Como todos adoram as ICOs, teremos nossa própria ICO. Não teremos bônus. O token SHIT não terá um preço fixo da OIC porque é uma merda, a merda não tem valor. Uma vez que a ICO termine, faremos um grande despejo SHIT. Vamos dividir todos os tokens SHIT ICO entre todas as pessoas que contribuíram para o ICO de acordo com os montantes de Ether contribuiu. Então, se você contribuiu com mais, você obterá uma parcela maior.

    Mas não se apresente para liberar seu dinheiro no banheiro ainda! Queremos desencorajar as pessoas de "investir" porque tudo o que você realmente sai é uma merda. Shit não tem valor. Você não fará "lucro". É por isso que estamos distribuindo apenas 10% da oferta total. Você não ganha muito, então contribua muito pouco. Isso é apenas por diversão. Nós fazemos ICO para que pessoas que amam ICOs se juntem à nossa comunidade. Por favor, envie apenas uma pequena quantidade de éter para o SHIT ICO. E não importa quão pequena seja sua contribuição, você provavelmente se tornará um bilionário de qualquer jeito. Mas se você quiser mais THIT tokens, considere fazer uma das muitas recompensas em vez de "investir" mais éter em nosso ICO.



    Recompensas
    Torne-se um bilionário!

    Mantenha todas as discussões sobre recompensas neste tópico: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2174788

    Traduções: 100 mil milhões SHIT.
    Traduzir este anúncio e compartilhar um link para ele.

    Campanha de assinatura: de 2 bilhões a 50 bilhões de SHIT.
    Regras muito relaxadas. Anuncie esse tópico em sua assinatura até o ICO terminar. Pagaremos mais por assinaturas de melhor aparência e contas mais ativas. Escolha sig de um modelo ou crie o seu próprio.

    Crie o modelo sig: 25 mil milhões de SHIT.
    Compartilhe um modelo de boa aparência com a comunidade e receba o pagamento.

    Testadores: 25 mil milhões de SHIT.
    Você precisa saber como usar o testnet ropsten. Ajude-nos a testar o nosso Crowsale no testnet.

    Escreva o whitepaper SHIT para nós: de 10 bilhões a 200 bilhões de SHIT.
    Pagamos mais pela melhor qualidade da escrita. Precisa ser divertido!

    Criar logotipo do token SHIT: de 10 bilhões a 200 bilhões SHIT.
    Pagamos mais pela melhor qualidade. Precisa ser divertido! Deve ficar bem em postagens do fórum, mas também deve funcionar para trocas, coinmarketcap, shapeshift etc.

    Registre o nome shittoken.eth para nós: 200 mil milhões SHIT.
    Você precisa render as chaves privadas. Não ofereça muito porque a recompensa não aumentará.

    Crie uma faucet SHIT: 250 mil milhões de SHIT.
    Doaremos alguns tokens para sua faucet e você receberá a recompensa!

    Ajude-nos a distribuir tokens aos detentores da moeda original POW SHIT: 5 Trillion SHIT.
    Nós preferimos o dev. Da moeda para fazê-lo ou um membro ativo da comunidade. Você precisa criar um instantâneo da cadeia de blocos, verificar a propriedade da moeda usando mensagens assinadas, manter registro público verificável da distribuição. Vamos fornecer tokens, mas você precisa enviá-los (pense taxas).

    Ajude-nos a obter SHIT token listado em uma troca: 10 Trillion SHIT.
    Isso pode ir para uma troca ou uma pessoa que fez isso acontecer.

    Deixe-nos saber o que mais você pode fazer para construir a comunidade SHIT. Nós adoramos pagar bounties. Queremos despejar mais SHIT!
2695  Economy / Economics / Re: The Wall Street Jornal - China to Shut Bitcoin Exchanges SEPTEMBER 11, on: September 16, 2017, 06:18:57 AM
Well didn't this just come true? At least one major exchange already went down, and more are planning to close in the coming days. I did not see this coming, thought it was just FUD, but it turns out to be quite sad.

Yep!

And now people are saying that is not a Bull Trap. But I believe that it could be. China will need to take out their money.
2696  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored? on: September 16, 2017, 03:45:51 AM
If the Chinese decide to cash out we will see a new bottom imho

The thing is, can Chinese cash-out? Will exchanges have the CNY for all? I know if the opposite happens and people would decide cashed out fiat from the bank in just one month, the safes would end before everybody gets their money.
2697  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Chinese Bitcoin Exchanges Will Likely Not Be Banned on: September 16, 2017, 01:35:47 AM


I know where I would bet where we were today Smiley.

I liked this graphic. Do not know where you would bet, But I will bet that on Saturday "fear" phase will start
2698  Local / Português (Portuguese) / "Os Bancos não precisariam existir" Gustavo Franco ex presidente do BC on: September 16, 2017, 01:07:39 AM
https://capitalaberto.com.br/secoes/papo-aberto/fronteiras-intrigantes/
2699  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: Bitcoin banco comprou a exchange NegocieCoins on: September 15, 2017, 11:24:36 PM
Alguém já usou esses sites?  Alguém vai usar?  Eu não conhecia nem pretendo usar. 

Negocie Coins está em quarta no volume neste ranking https://exchangewar.info/coinprice?btc_brl com 27.83 BTC negociados hoje.

Só que outras nào disponibilizam o volume, como a Walltime. Então não dá pra ter certeza.
2700  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-09-15] Chinese Bitcoin Exchanges OKCoin and Huobi to Close in October on: September 15, 2017, 09:09:14 PM
maybe the exchanges not have the money to pay back the customers. that's why they stay open for now.

That is a real possibility. And this could indicate that they are trying to manipulate the market a little more. Buying time.
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