First of all, I absolutely do not condone someone telling someone else that they "should kill himself"
Agreed. Lutpin, despite what I may or may not think of you and your behavior, suggesting you kill yourself, even if being sarcastic, was not appropriate and I am sorry I made the comment. If you killed yourself as a result of my statement, I would certainly lose sleep over it and feel a great deal of guilt. While I tend to think people are a little too sensitive these days, my own beliefs don't excuse me from perceived threats and I'm sorry that you thought I was threatening you, I wasn't. Rather than asking you to provide IP evidence it was me who made the comment, I've taken responsibility for my actions and apologized. I should not have said that you should kill yourself. I did, and I am sorry. I was deeply shocked when reading the chatlog of that evening after coming home and I still am. I don't see a reason why anyone would post something like this, ever. However, I also did not expect you to apologize for this, but you did. I stand corrected, and even if this might just be the public pressure, I appreciate the apology. Maybe this can be a first step. And no releasing anyone's DOX please, things don't need to go so far
At no point did I ever threaten to DOX Lutpin. I would also dispute his claim that he tried to do anything to de-escalate the situation as I have gotten no communication from him outside of telling me to remove the signature and join Lauda's signature advertising group. In fact, we haven't had any interaction at all for several days until I saw him create this thread and leave me negative trust today. After my PMs about your signature, the short private conversation we had over at slack (the one in OP) and the next time we talked about this (aswell in slack, bg4 was there to watch), every time I tried getting this situation solved myself, directly, had the exact opposite effect, things got worse from my perspective after each and every attempt. To me, this was clearly the sign that I couldn't do it on my own, so I stopped bothering. As I had immediately contacted Mitchell, who redirected this to theymos not shortly after, I was putting all my hope in theymos getting a hand on the situation. After all, theymos has more information than we all together, they could bring forward IP evidence and further indications, which all point towards me not having to do anything with the accounts you accuse me of controlling. When this had however (from my perspective, from what I could see) failed and you kept going after me, PMing my business and private contacts on this forum in a try to remove me from any position I currently hold, I saw no other option than posting this thread. I did feel and I still do feel backed against a corner. I am considering dipping my toe into signature campaign management. I think my reputation and trust level would be a considerable upgrade for you, and I'd like to know if you have any interest in me becoming a new advertiser and campaign manager for you.
Thank you for your time.
At what point will people begin being concerned that Lutpin is taking over the signature campaign management of this forum by attacking competitors with alt accounts until they give in and let him manage their campaigns? He's literally deriving an income now from extorting signature campaigns into hiring him or else they face the wrath of his alt accounts torment. He even started an account "game-protect" to try and sell a service where he extorts online gambling houses into paying him or else they get attacked. I'm surprised it's gone unnoticed so long, but after a quick look at the signature campaign market, it's obvious this user has made a reputation for himself by using alternate accounts to further his agenda. Lutpin/TwitchySeal/game-protect is literally just attacking any account who advertises signatures from campaigns he isn't running... Just take a look at some of their feedbacks to see just how obvious and ridiculous his scam has gotten: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=154329I'd rather not have to enter the signature campaign management arena just to put him out of business and try to return some honest behavior to this dark corner of the forum, so I'm open to ideas about how else to combat this problem.
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There are threads for posting stuff like that on this forum, this is none of them. Please keep your posts where they belong, your actions have caused me enough trouble as it is. @ Luptin grow a pair
This comment is highly inappropriate, but you know that yourself. -snip-
It seems like you've missed the point of this thread. Seconded. Please go and read what this thread is about before making comments that are on the edge of being off-topic. The fact that Lutpin was told something very inappropriate does not absolve him from the kind of business practices he is alleged to have engaged in doing. I have long been suspicious of Lutpin, have looked into him, but have never come across an accusation of this kind of business activity -- this is not to say that these allegations are untrue, or unfounded.
I don't know where they come from, but I'm well aware of your suspicions towards me. I had them in mind when consulting you about this situation earlier. I fear neither you, nor anyone else, "looking into me", as there is nothing to find, regardless how deep you might be digging. Everyone, feel free to search yourself. Honesty and transparency have always been key points to me when acting on this forum (that is the truth, you might believe it or not, that's up to you to decide). ~snip~
It has to stop, right now and right here.
Not taking anyone's side in this but i have been seeing the situation regarding the 2 members in question unfolding for weeks now and can say it is only getting worse for both parties, let's put a stop to any harassment or accusations now. There's nothing I want more right now, OgNasty, what do I have to do to put an end to this once and for all? I want to get this situation over with, tell me how I can achieve this. |
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It saddens me that I feel the need to write this thread. What you're seeing right here is the result of a conflict that has been going on for way too long now. A conflict which I never intended to, and one which I did everything remotely possible to avoid, but frankly, no matter how hard I tried, it failed. Taking things out in public isn't normally my way, but hands down, I tried sorting this out, over and over again, and this is the last option I see for myself. Everything began a few days ago, when out of the blue I was contacted by OgNasty about their current struggles with TwitchySeal/game-protect/et al. Their messages included vague threats in my direction ("I am disappointed with you and while I move slowly, I cut deep."), aswell as a lot of stuff that did not make sense to me. I was shocked and confused, it seemed like a big misunderstanding to me. A full transcript of the first night can be found here -> https://i.snag.gy/ro4AOi.jpg(This is 100% authentic information, which can be confirmed by trusted members.) I immediately contacted a few guys to try help me putting any sense to it and consulted several members of staff about this, as I wanted to know what exactly was going down. None had any idea about what was happening or what exactly OgNasty was talking about. As time passed by, I realized that OgNasty believes I'm the person in control of the accounts TwitchySeal, game-protect, aswell as some others. A believe which is not only wrong, but also backed up by no evidence whatsoever. Theymos came in on the situation. They can confirm that there are no IP evidences connecting me to either of these accounts and that there's no further reason to believe I am connected to any of them in any given way. Meanwhile, OgNasty was looking into ways to release my address on the forum. An address they got for shipping purposes (I've ordered coins a few time from them) and further, an address that has nothing to do on this forum or in public in general. I'm shocked they even tried getting the allowance to do so. To me, that's been a major brech of trust I gave them when trading with them. Further, one night, without me around, they've had the following conversation in the #cryptocurrency-collectors channel (FreeNode/Slack), which started with the words "<ognasty> @lutpin: Really should kill himself." <Slck><ognasty> @lutpin: Really should kill himself.
<Anduck>ognasty wtf?
<Anduck>you seriously just said that lutpin should kill himself?
<Slck><ognasty> I'm tired of the harassment.
<Slck><ognasty> Every day a new alt... I'm done with it.
<Slck><ognasty> All because he's mad I'm getting paid for my signature...
<Slck><ognasty> No amount of harassment will change it, yet he won't stop.
<Slck><ognasty> I'm not going to put up with another two weeks of this.
<Anduck>shutdown the computer = no more harassing
<Slck><ognasty> Shutting down the computer doesn't stop them from making threads and leaving BS trust posts.
<Anduck>WoT is there for a reason
<Slck><ognasty> WoT is useless...
<Anduck>so your WoT/account is worth more than lutpin life?
<Anduck>good to know
<Slck><ognasty> Same bullshit alt games there too.... Mircea Popescu has like 25 different WoT alts.... lol
<Anduck>name them
<Slck><ognasty> No, I think people who harass others should kill themselves.
<Slck><ognasty> Lutpin is being a piece of shit for some reason...
<Slck><ognasty> If someone was harassing you repeatedly, I wouldn't stick up for them...
<Slck><miffman> Og, you can obviously say whatever you want, whenever you want, wherever you want. Do keep in mind that this is a public forum though. Anything that gets said here is pretty much here forever.
<Slck><ognasty> Dude is out of line. You can try and blame the victim all you want. I'm not going to silence myself merely because other people hide their comments behind alt accounts.
<Slck><ognasty> This is me saying I don't need an alt account to voice my opinion, and these people like Lutpin who anonymously attack people to try and get their way are the scum of the internet.
<Slck><ognasty> Not to mention they have no balls.
<Anduck>or maybe you're currently harassing lutpin publicly while some anonymous, as you said, is harassing you
<Slck><ognasty> or maybe I actually know what I'm talking about...
<hybridsole>guys, this isn't #bitcointalk-drama
<Slck><ognasty> I know it's always easier to assume people are stupid, but that is not the case here...
<hybridsole>please take your signature campaign stuff out of here
<Anduck>still you claim this anonymous = lutpin. are you sure of this Og?
<Anduck>*sure*
<Slck><ognasty> This is about me being harassed by a member of this chat. Has nothing to do with my signature. My signature is my own business.
<Slck><ognasty> I thought this was a community of intelligent individuals who wouldn't stand for this type of behavior, but obviously I was wrong.
<hybridsole>OGnasty, while that may be the case, I don't see anyone being harassed except for Lutpin right now. And don't confuse that with me having a dog in this fight, I don't
<Slck><ognasty> Encourage extortion and stick up for people who harass others. I'm sure that will lead to a better online community.
<Anduck>ognasty: what i've seen here is a death will against a community member here, and this community member is not you
<hybridsole>But telling someone to kill themselves isn't going to win you any sympathy points with me.
<Slck><ognasty> That's because while I'm being harassed privately, I'm responding publicy, because I do not need to hide.
<Anduck>there's simply no evidence of that lutpin is harrassing you, or is there?
<Slck><ognasty> Yes.
<Anduck>this is not about our intelligence or anything like that.
<Slck><ognasty> I have proof.
<Anduck>ok, prove it then?
<Anduck>why didn't you prove it earlier!
<Anduck>no need for guessing games when you can simply prove it.
<Slck><ognasty> I don't need to prove it to you. I need to prove it to those wielding a ban hammer. They're looking into my submission.
<Anduck>i am wielding a ban hammer here!
<Slck><minifrij> Anduck has control of this channel IIRC, he can ban people here
<Anduck>but, as you said Ognasty you don't need to prove me anything.
<Slck><ognasty> Indeed.
<Slck><ognasty> My reputation speaks for itself. Lutpin's of him.
<hybridsole>proof or not, it's off-topic here. Maybe if someone scammed you for a Casascius coin, you can drag it out here. But the fact that the person you are beefing with is in this channel doesn't make it "on topic"
<Slck><ognasty> I'm voicing that I'm being harassed. If you all want to look the other way, that is fine.
<Anduck>it's just a bit weird you ask for our help to remove Lutpin and simultaneously refuse to help with this
<Slck><ognasty> You're right. His reputation is worthless and banning him from here or btctalk won't stop the harassment, as he's using TOR.
<Slck><ognasty> Best case scenario he's out a few satoshi's for a new account and has to wait before joining a new signature campaign.
<Anduck>but, why don't you want everyone to "know the truth"?
<Slck><ognasty> I guess I just expected that after 5 years of doing nothing but going out of my way to help nearly every active trader on bitcointalk, people can blame me as I'm being harassed repeatedly.
<Anduck>look, i'd be happy to help but so far you've refused all my attempts.
<Slck><ognasty> The truth is I'm being harassed as a result of Lutpin's displeasure at my signature advertiser. You can believe, or not. It makes no difference to me other than having to defend myself to you also.
<Anduck>i am not intending to attack you.
<Anduck>i am going away now, to not escalate this further. :)
<Anduck>good luck og, hope the harasser stops it soon
<Anduck>they usually do after they don't get anymore attention
<Slck><ognasty> Me too, but he won't. I'll remove my signature at the end of the month like I said, and all the attacks will still be there.
<Slck><ognasty> I haven't posted anything about any of this on the forum either. I merely thought this was a friendly place people wanted to know things. You can go back to discussing coffee and rocket league now.
<Slck><minifrij> With all due respect, I can't personally understand why you're getting so worked up about it
<DeepSpace>OgNasty, I am hereby warning you to keep death threats away from these chats. That's highly inappriopate and as long as I don't see any valid evidence I really don't like you saying that kind of stuff.
(Everyone being around that night, aswell as further others, can confirm that this is a 100% authentic log of the channel and things happened like this. OgNasty wishes me to die.) As to this day, even with theymos trying to get a hand on the situation, nothing has changed to the better, I feel no other way than going public with this situation. This has been going on for too long, it's starting to affect my health. I want nothing else than this to stop, I had nothing to do with the people harassing you. It has to stop, right now and right here. |
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I think it is primedice, but my rank is too low to vote, what a pity. But I will be back to vote when my rank is enough.
lol, what the hell? your rank doesn't affect anyhting with the result, even if you're a legendary rank, your vote still same with a newbie rank. Be optimize mate Newbies can't vote in polls. |
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first, do you know what is the use of the "EDIT" button? since you have a paid signature i think this will be a ground for you getting banned
The user doesn't have a paid signature and given their posting habits, they might not have one for a very long time. Its so easy to do but you don't have the skill otherwise you would be doing it and not here talking about it. Its such a good idea though that I may take the idea and make it a reality myself. You don't mind do ya?
It's neither a new idea nor a very good one. There've been similar projects in the past that went...well, not so good. Well honestly noone will show any interest in a lottery where the house takes 50%. You may as well forget about it now and not lose sleep.
IIRC even projects with a low house edge/no house edge have a problem getting a foot on the ground. Wasn't there a +EV lottery by RHavar not too long back? |
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Crypto-Games.net is turning 2 years old on Sunday (21st August)! We'd like to celebrate this very special day together with you.
In spirit of the day, there will be:
- A 0% House Edge (on Dice) promotion, running for a few hours
- A total of 0.1BTC given away in chat via our rainbot system
- A lottery ticket giveaway for chatters
- A bitcointalk giveaway open to (almost) everyoneStay tuned! |
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4444 + 444 + 44 + 44 + (4 x 4) + 4 + 4 +4 = 5004
4444 + 444 + 44 + 44 + 44 - 4 - ( 4 x 4 ) = 5000 |
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But as i can see you don't have experience for that, so in my opinion will be better just ask more experienced users for opinion.. and if you do that write who said what.
This change has made it into OP which means it has been approved by Mitchell (or it has been overseen, which is less likely). IIRC shorena was also approving of it when I discussed it with them. People are free to ignore the warning, but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be one in the first place. |
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I've put my math team on it, they did 8th grade twice IIRC, so naturally they should have an advantage. |
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So I'm gonna guess the next blocks are 425263 and 425264? I'll be on the lookout for the block hash for you guys.
I know I'm not IndianaCoin, but just in case, the numbers were 2 and 3 for the two blocks respectively. That's not how raffles work, the host announces the blocks to be used, not any of the participants. |
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Posting in English would be nice, also, I believe this is a moderated thread so why isn't Betcoin in here deleting every time this guy posts their customers information?
This is no self-moderated topic, betcoin can't delete comments here.
I've reported both posts by bountyrequest as being potentional doxxes, which should be prohibited according to the newest forum policy. I'd also advice against quoting these parts of the posts (basically everything including first/surnames, aswell as the addresses) (Disclaimer: Yes, I'm aware this could be faked/fake information, but you shouldn't take chances when it comes to private information.)
Update: All posts containing (partial-)doxxes or similar information have been removed by staff. |
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You're right. I don't have a good solution, but maybe somebody finds out something.
Because something has to be done before it gets too big to be contained.
We're talking about one case right now, correct? Or is there a whole list of feedbacks of this type (and if, is there more than one account, and more than one service utilizing it?) I'd contact an admin and suggest removing that specific feedback as it's "spam" (advertisment) in some way. |
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I think that the links in trust feedback should be restricted to this site.
What about archive pages, blockchain transactions (/blockexplorers) or screenshots on any given hoster? I ofen use one of these as a reference to my feedbacks and I think we shouldn't take the possibility to do so from users. Else we get advertising/abuse cases like this [...]
Now that's something interesting... |
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So, since we're done talking about me, let's talk about you for a second, shall we? I think you owe everyone an explanation of your connection to the account Nauro. Nauro used the address 1HpeH to receive a payment here ( http://archive.is/pjl9G#selection-4409.6-4409.40): http://bestnewsbitcoins.blogspot.in/btc : 1HpeHatT1qVNFJwDH4QXFZrHY4JTSVq4ig Traffic status : Its very new and in coming days the news site (on which ur article is published ) will be a very big site and a revolution ! You've been repeatedly asking for a loan to the very same address, one example being here ( http://archive.is/EXhj5): Hello need loan with following details
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address : 1HpeHatT1qVNFJwDH4QXFZrHY4JTSVq4ig
Further, your "default" btc address used is 1955x which you use several times, e.g. around here ( http://archive.is/Ldfof#50%): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1248467.msg15760388#msg15760388Both addresses are spent-linked through several transactions, to name one: 29a4e3e96ec0186a150bea8974f64caa97a85c16444955bd1dd14b91ed12842b
Any further questions? None? Well, I got a few.
You also use another address from an unrelated wallet from time to time. I'm talking about the 1Juf6 address used in a giveaway here ( http://archive.is/Jm7u1#selection-3837.0-3837.34): Thats very generous and actually I have hardly seen anyone who returns the favour, thanks man  Usually people learn, earn and run, you are different ! 1Juf6G2L6oWgjQTqM4bT6krCPPYU3PGgih That address is spent-linked via txid 43208a099bda1d43a7e3d236a59297cf16fd980777e7096e7b1ebebda1e43c50 to the address 19Vbc. The 19Vbc address is being used by Nauro aswell ( http://archive.is/Tu0xB#selection-9123.17-9123.51): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1086516.msg11591083#msg11591083And further, this address is used by superSTAR777 over here ( http://archive.is/n2UV4): Loan Amount : 0.05 BTC
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Your BTC Address : 19Vbc8gA7ZTdYizkhKMqDBvEQBkMSqiEEf
Date of repayment : Before 22nd march 2015
superSTAR777 is tied to several defaulted loans, you just have to check their trust page.
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Just want you to be more careful, if you are against listening anything against you even if you re wrong/not really on spot, well then I m sorry.
I never said that, looking up there, I asked for a little time to revisit the thread, make myself another image of the situation and decide how to proceed. Sorry for calling it as abuse, but you should be very careful because your " so called I saw it fit back then " can destroy a legendary member's account. I have no personal revenge with you mate, neither I want you to be removed or such.
Feedbacks aren't irreversible, I will continue to leave them to the best of my knowledge and belief. If you support someone who is right does not mean you always desire a favor, do you?
Depends, you're going through length and beyond (e.g. your signature calling me out, dafuq.), it raised a question, nothing more.
Upon re-examinating the situation, the user asked for a no-collateral loan back in January (yes, that was indeed a month before I was added to DT2, I've been on DT4 that time). The loan was supposed to be 0.3 BTC and the comment was "looking fast, no collateral.", which even now raises my first suspicon. The next comment from the user goes as following "Im trusted member here, many peoples who offering loans know me." Back at the time, the user had a 0 trust score and (when including untrusted feedback) a total of 1 feedback over a loan, on top, their password had been reset recently. I still think I was right to leave the feedback back then, however, I also think I probably should have removed it a month or two later (given that the user didn't ask for further loans inbetween). A hero member without any prior trust should not ask for loans of a size well over their accounts worth without providing any collateral. Simply being a hero doesn't make you trusted, and a basic rule of the lending section goes as following: The rule of "No Collateral, No Loan" means that in order to get a loan you must give collateral that is equal, or preferably higher to the amount you are being loaned.
If you completely ignore this sticky and make a loan request with no collateral, without having massive trust on the forum, the chances of you getting negative trusted feedback and therefore having a Trade with Extreme Caution tag is almost 100%.
Being a hero doesn't change anything about this. The way the user reacted to me (and others) calling them out on this was another reason why I indeed saw the need for a negative, the retaliated, insulted me in PMs and the thread. An example of how they react can be given from one of their latest feedbacks, going like this "Make more valuable with your mouth, suck a dick!", I recall getting similar PMs and feedbacks.
tl;dr: I have revised my feedback to a neutral, given the restraint that the user does not ask for big no-collateral loans in the future. I still don't trust this user and think they should adjust their way of dealing with others on this forum. |
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First off, this is no Meta topic, it belongs into Reputation.
I just want that he should not give red feedbacks for fun and more because he is in DT of this forum. I hope at least he understands it.
I never once left a feedback "for fun". That's not my way, that's not how I use the feedback system. Also "brutal abuse" is a bit of a stretch lol...
Indeed. I don't even think you should call it abuse, as I left feedback how I saw it fit back then, I saw something sketchy and left a feedback over it. I think that was before I added him into the DT network.
Based on the seven months ago named earlier, it has to be shortly before, yes. I do agree that the feedback should be changed since he signed a message.
Let me quickly revisit the thread and check. And Lutpin become a little more serious when giving -VE trust ( a neutral is great if you ever think something is wrong )
This strongly depends on the situation, sometimes yes, sometines no.
@OP: Is ONLYfree your alt account? |
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