See you soon, returning to BTC, possibly in early to mid to late 2015, when btc prices are in the $1.5k to $3k arena.   

Noted... accordingly, our thinking is probably NOT too far apart, then.   

Don't be ridiculous MailmansDOGE.  You are changing the theme of this thread, which is discussing attempts to buy at the bottom, and we are NOT here talking about regrets about buying at the top....

Further, even though BTC prices have been in a 10 month decline, there is NO real indication that these BTC prices are going to continue to decline..... in a long term sense and to stay declined...  On the other hand, it seems much more likely that prices are going to begin to go in an upwardly direction at some point..

Each of us makes his/her its calculations in order to decide how or if to invest or if to divest.

Adam: 

From your various responses, it seems that you do NOT have a Circle account.  Surely, I am NO Circle expert because I only started using it at the end of September, and on October 1, I transferred $500 into my Circle account (which translated into 1.29263 BTC.  A I type, my previous $500 is valued at $441; however, the amount of BTC has NOT changed, only the dollar equivalency of my BTC holdings.   

I have NOT yet seen any option to hold my Circle account value in fiat rather than holding in BTC - possibly Circle could add that feature later - though I have my doubts that they are going to allow such (b/c the account would convert into a trading account). 

Actually, before I opened up my account with Circle, I was wondering how Circle was going to prevent people from trading with their zero fees policy, and it appears that their outrageously low weekly limits (starting at $2,500 per week non-immediate transfer or $500 per week immediate transfer); effectively make it difficult to engage in any kind of high quantity or high frequency trading, and their weekly limitations also make these accounts very small potatoes...   Even Coinbase has higher weekly and daily limitations than Circle....  My Coinbase allows for $1,000 per week immediate and $50,000 per week, and the Coinbase limits are constantly updating in order to cause less restrictions. 

Note that my Circle account is brand new and there is a disclaimer that my weekly limits may increase with the passage of time - supposedly as I become a more longer term account holder (we will see?).

I largely agree with what you are saying here; however, I will take a bit of an exception to what seems to be your assertion that bitcoin could be so jeopardized by some kind of better technology. 

In this regard, there remains a considerable advantage to first mover advantage and accordingly there would be various impediments to evolving redundant systems.  I cannot recall the exact computing power of the bitcoin network, but it is like a very large multitude the computing power of the top 500 computers in the world.  Surely, it would NOT be easy to transfer over to newer, better crypto systems because it would take a while to develop such systems, including network power.   Further, regarding some technological improvements, it would be possible for the bitcoin network to absorb some of these improvements with side chains or changes to the protocol or forks or some other adaptations... maybe NOT possible in all instances, but NOT out of the question.

I agree with your proposed solution to keep our ears to the ground because it is very likely that we would recognize some changes or needs to convert our investment into new systems b/c evolution of new systems is NOT likely to take place in a flash (and/or without some warnings). 

s/he or it was born a birdie dog or a doggie birdie, so s/he / it has limit intellectual capacities (accordingly, needs to stay on the same theme, otherwise will get lost)      

Gnode:  I provided a rationale in my post that you clipped.. you understand that in making any kind of claim there is logic and there is evidence... that assist us to arrive at conclusions (and/or claims that we make).  When we make claims, usually there is a combination of both logic and evidence  but it is NOT necessary to have both logic and evidence for every case that a poster makes.  Also, sometimes when the claims are NOT controversial, posters may NOT even need to provide either logic or evidence for their claim(s). 

  Hopefully my explanation here makes sense for you, to the extent that you may possibly be interested in any kind of meaningful discussion of the subject matter?   

You are NOT being very specific in your critique, and what are the possible solutions to this?  Educate people about different crypto currencies?  They have NO incentive to be educated until they become more invested in the ideas and/or practices of crypto, no?    Are you proposing any forward direction?

My ALL CAPS gets stuck on certain words... funny that!!!   

People say all kinds of shit.  You need to learn to think for yourself and to take information that you get on the interwebs with a grain of salt...   Also take responsibility for your own decisions rather than suggesting that someone else tricked you into some kind of action that you would NOT have otherwise taken.   

+1  totally agree, Otoh!!!!

Anyone taking advice from the internet needs to take such advice with a grain of salt, to do their own research and to weigh their own risks, timeline, finances, etc.

people talk bullish and they talk bearish, but there really is NO reason to generalize them into a group and label them as either bulltards or beartards.  That kind of name calling, labeling and categorizing does NOT meaningfully contribute to better understanding the substance of the various arguments that are being made by any of these posters.

Chuckee,

Even though you are a fucking troll, and rarely do you lend any value within any of your posts; however, here you seem to be largely correct. 

Risto made a prediction, and largely he was predicting upward BTC price direction from mid-August onward. and he should take responsibility for such, especially when he (Risto) makes such predictions with such arrogance.

On the other hand, Risto made a lot of valuable contributions including in his post describing the bitcoin price situation at the time of OP.

I suspect that if Risto toned down some of his arrogance within his posts and sometimes made concessions regarding his getting things wrong (or overstating matters), he would NOT cause himself to be such a target for being told that he is wrong... .which NONE of us should expect to really be able to foretell specifics regarding BTC prices.. except for just providing and estimating probabilities.

I suspected that if I perused a sufficient quantity of your posts, mmitech, I would run across some piece of wisdom.... and yes, finally, a piece of wisdom from mmitech!!!   

I'm not joking.  +1 to this one of mmitech's posts.   

That's why you should NOT trade.   

EvilPanda:  Your conclusion, here, is fucked up.  Speculation does NOT mean that you can say whatever the fuck you want.  Your speculation will be more credible the more that it is backed up by sources and or rationale and or explanation.

Who the fuck knows for sure when there is going to be a "spike," and readers of these kinds posts should take the contents of such predictions with a grain of salt that a large majority of us are speculating regarding the specifics of the price direction, to the extent that we are able to formulate any theory, the theory is merely a reflection of what we believe to be probable or likely based on the information that we have, and NOBODY, not even whale manipulators know all of the factors.

Further, in order to be at least a little more fair to Chopstick, s/he /it made the prediction about a week ago.... HELLO!  and contained in the prediction is a time line prediction of 3-6 months, we are NOT even close to the range of s/he/its prediction.  So, I would NOT be accusing Chopstick as being misleading or incorrect in any regards.  Possibly, if 8 months pass and the "spike" has NOT yet occurred, you may be able to suggest that s/he / it was incorrect in the prediction, but that may merely be a timing question rather than a substantive criticism.      

That is hillarious!!!    And, even if there happens to be a girl or two on the internets, these one or two girls should also find this post to be funny... but how am I to get into the mind(s) of the fairer ones?

There's girls on here?  Shit, I better change my way of expressing myself!!!   

You have a good point there that we have to still behave in such a way to account for the manipulation and attempt to do our best, in spite of manipulations that are ongoing. 

On a related note, I will take one exception to your above described situation.  you seem to be denigrating, again, the concept of manipulation by attempting to describe it as systematic - and that is likely NOT the case.  Manipulation likely occurs because it is allowed to occur, and there are even various competing forces within the manipulation world that strive for control and/or getting their way within their sphere(s) of influence.  In this regard, it is likely safer to consider manipulation occurring within and by various manipulative and competing spheres of influence rather than merely by one or a narrow set of cooperative manipulative forces.