I suspect the NDA will lift around August 12 - AMD seems to lift NDA on new stuff a couple days or so before they officially become retail available.

  I HAVE tried gpuPlotGenerator and have "never gotten GPU plotting to work at all."

 More that Bitmain wants to drive the competition out of the space - like they did for quite a while on SHA256 (Bitcoin) miners, then reaped much higher profits on the late S5 batches, the S7, and the first several months of the S9 due to no competition (Caanan isn't really competing, higher price/H and less efficient - the only reasons they can hang are better record for reliability, better support, and Bitmain couldn't sell enough S9 units to make the A721 and A741 unprofitable).

 I think the only reason they're not being hyper-aggressive on the pricing of the L3+ is that Innosillicon isn't being aggressively competative - again, lower performance lower efficiency higher cost per hash but better reliability record and not enough L3+ production to drive profitability down - keep in mind that even the older *A2* and Alcheminer / Titan units are high profitability at this time.

 X11 is a noticeably smaller network hashrate though than SHA256 and Scrypt compared to the hashrate of a single miner - Bitmain likely CAN drive profitability down enough to matter in a few months - but if the A5 meets it's specs, they may be cutting their OWN throats there unless they have a "next gen" smaller process node chip in design already (The D3 is rumoured to be 28nm, but Bitmain has never actually specified it anywhere I can find - it did show up fast enough that it might be NON-OPTIMISED 14/16nm).


 IBeLink did finally put a price on the DM22G in their shop - $6000 - they might have to drop that if they want to stay competative with the D3, but given the stated efficiency figures, they might be prefering to play a longer game and target the A5 instead.

D3 already soaks a ton of power in a very cramped case - if there is a D3+, it will be a S5+ type unit with multiple cases tied together and using multiple power supplies.

 I'd bet Bitmain won't bother - X11 miners is too small a market to support something that fancy.

 Looks like it's working to me.

 Green line isn't QUITE flat, blue and grey bouncing around some.

 Which is why I refuse to specify what most of my NVidia cards have been working on the last couple months - I'm a little over 1% of the TOTAL there, and don't want everyone and their kid brother jumping in and destroying profitability.

 The "natural" growth has been bad enough - there was a time last winter, with HALF the cards, that I was pulling in over 2% of the mined coins - though the value per coin is still up quite a bit from then.

 Only reason the 1070 got popular for ETH was that pricing got crazy on the RX 470/480/570/580 cards and made the "slightly higher" hashrate of the 1070 on ETH competative on a $/hash basis.

 I've yet to see ANY benchmarks for a Vega on ZEC - but it's going to have to top the 1070/1080/1080ti a LOT on hashrate to get close on efficiency.



 The Titan Xp "major performance upgrade" was pretty much only on ONE specific application, and to a lesser degree some very similar applications.
 It wasn't a "improve performance 3x on everything" type upgrade, but more a "fix a problem this specific application was having" type fix.


 Gamers are NOT waiting on GTX 1080ti - pricing and availability has been pretty much UNTOUCHED on that particular model.
 It's the 1070, 1060, and to a VERY VERY MINOR degree the 1080 that have been affected by mining - and I'm pretty sure the 1080 effects were INDIRECT from folks that had originally planned to get a 1070 but go for a 1080 instead due the price being almost the same and much greater availability.



 Ryzen isn't "destroying" Intel CPUs - but it IS being competative enough to force Intel to adapt to having to COMPETE again, after several years of unquestioned supremecy.
 Not the first time by a long shot for Intel - they lost the performance crown ENTIRELY on 3 previous occasions (Athlon 64, Athlon Thunderbird, Z80) and AMD also challenged them very closely in the days of the K5 vs the Pentium (K5 was SUPERIOR on integer operations per clock and close enough on clock to match or beat overall integer performance, but lost badly on floating point).

 Double holes on the mounts fairly close together, so I'm betting 70mm or 80mm as options in the middle mount.

 5 x 92mm with the blank spaces would be too wide to fit inside a standard 19" rack case.

 Guessing the front mounts are for 3 x 120? Those aren't shown very well.

 It's somewhat more than 3 times the chips - which indicates they are running them at a MUCH lower voltage point for higher efficiency, at a cost in hash per chip.
 Think of the 11 Gh miner as a T9, the 22Gh one as a S9, but more so.


 They're going to have to drop the price some though (despite their additional costs) to stay competative - 22 Ghash for $6000 isn't going to sell many units.

Nicehash tends to bounce your miner around a lot more than most alternatives, due to the nature of the service.
Even with that, it is sometimes the most profitable option - but more commonly it's 2'nd or 3'd after factoring in lost hashrate in the frequent bouncyness.

You are now discovering one of the reasons to run your own LOCAL wallet.

 And it was first demoed LAST YEAR.

 Half again the hashrate, better efficiency - they could get away with $2500 to $3000 given the D3 at $1600.

 iBeLink had most or all of their new miners SOLD by the time Innosilicon and Bitmain announced THEIR miners.

 At the ORIGINAL price of the D3, the A5 was high but not crazy high on price (if it meets it's announced specs) given it's much higher performance AND quite a bit higher efficiency.
  Innosilicon DOES need to look at adjusting their price though if they want to be close enough to competative to be able to SELL any more A5 units.

Some of the early ZEC miner software supported CPU mining - but the GPU miners quickly outpaced CPU mining to the point it became UNPROFITABLE to bother trying to mine ZEC on a CPU.

 I also suggest that if you want to do CPU mining, go Monero aka XMR (or use the NiceHash miner).

The ORIGIN of this rumor is one person that appears to work for a UK reseller site - and THEY claimed it was a "unconfirmed rumour from one person at one of the AIO partners" and supposedly due to some updates made to the drivers.

 It seems VERY unlikely that a driver update could DOUBLE the performance (keep in mind, the Frontier Edition and the RX Vega 64 use THE SAME GPU), though I could easily see driver optimizations adding 10-20% more performance.

 AMD has been comparing the Vega 64 vs the 1080 - NOT the 1080ti - but while it seems to be comparable to the 1080 on benchmarking (wins some, loses some), AMD has also made a point of comparing "MINUMUM FPS" in games not average.
 They say it's because the min FPS is more closely related to how smooth a game feels (which is a valid point), but it also implies that they do NOT believe they actually match the overall performance - and they certainly do NOT match the TDP/power efficiency.

 It also looks like the Vega RX 56 is going to be close in performance to the 1070 - but again, at a significantly higher power usage.


 I'm planning to get one Vega RX 56 early on (there is a specific application it should work WELL on that I use, even if it turns out it's NOT a good cryptocoin mining card, or worse case I toss it in my current Gaming system as an upgrade from the current RX 470) and plan to run it through quite a few benchmarks before I decide if I want any more of them.

Given there are already 2 LONG threads about BURST mining, this thread is redundant.

 L3+ isn't much of a gamble, in this age when A2/Alcheminer/Titan units are MORE profitable than they have been for 2+ years and even the Gridseed GC3355 based units are profitable.

Bitmain also has a history of price wars - ask Spondoolies about the SP20/S5 wars.... oh wait you can't, they went bankrupt.....

Don't envy Central Washington this past week (and probably for a few more weeks).

http://forecast.weather.gov/showsigwx.php?warnzone=WAZ034&warncounty=WAC025&firewxzone=WAZ673&local_place1=Moses%20Lake%20WA&product1=Air+Quality+Alert&lat=47.1319&lon=-119.2771#.WYTj24jyvg4

For perspective - there is a hill near my place, top of which is less than a mile away - and the smoke today is so thick I can BARELY see the top of that hill.