Are these with chips included?
For 720 Euro, they better come in pairs.
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@ ProfMac : OK....here my advice anyway : - make it modular Look at bitfury H-board and Rig, it's the perfect way. ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) +1 Keep the chips spaced, oversize the board, keep them cool by air. H-card is pretty good design. Make the M-board like USB/Avalon hub. Run it from anything that can access your "USB hub".
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I can offer 60 BTC. But maybe, not what you looking for. But is better than previous offer. Regards
Better reconsider it. Bitfury full kit is 63 BTC and will never ROI. The best you can do is ~42BTC in mining profits from a 0.5TH today, assuming 25-27% diff increase every 11-13 days. (If you start mining today)
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I still have 48 chips left for sale from my June 22nd order of 128 chips.
I'll be getting them today or tomorrow.
I'm selling them for BTC5.5 for 16 chips. Shipping included to anywhere in the world.
They are priced to sell at ~$40/chip, below BFL price (with chip credits factored in)
PM me if you are interested.
Thanks, af_newbie
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This is a race to the bottom. The argument that bitcoin price and network hashing rate will adjust does not hold because people buy mining hardware without looking at the numbers. If they did, the network hashing rate increase would be at 3-5% (fiat inflation). Will we see the correction in prices or network hashing power? I don't think so. As long as the chips can be cranked out at few cents and boards assembled at $15-20, the march will continue.
As long as... but... the chips cannot be cranked out at few cents, the board might be assembled at $15-$20 depending on the complexity of the board and the MOQ but I do not see a BOM taken in consideration (only if you think of how much a heatsink pipe or power supply costs) and I do not see a casing or the software design which comes with the product. Just to name few thinks that simply are obliterated from your statement, not cranked out at few cents. And it was not an argument, it was merely an opinion. Look at bitfury board for clues.
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Dave,
Please cancel my orders for h-boards #882 (6 boards) and #824 (24 boards).
At this difficulty progression, I feel that these boards are just too expensive to justify this purchase.
I have elected to receive a store credit for my Aug kit, but it looks like I won't be needing it so please send my Aug kit payment to 1CorsCrBEcbncfnR7BVKadUZbHP7xNZCjJ.
If price of the h-boards does change, I'd be very much interested in buying them.
They are excellent product and your handling of the sales has been excellent.
Thanks, af_newbie
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It is relevant information to buyers trying to make a rational purchase decision. If the reality is that you cannot produce your product for a price that is economically viable, that is relevant market information.
Maybe is my English. The information from the table, difficulty of the network and currency rates have no relevance when a manufacturer is calculating the retail prices. So throwing out those numbers will not trigger the hardware prices to go as low as customers' wishes. Hope this clarify the statement. I understand your position. IMHO, guys like you will be priced out of business because some private pools in Eastern Europe and China are adding hashing power at cost. ~$300/TH+power supplies. You'll never be able to compete with that. Sorry, but the numbers don't lie. That is the reality. Don't get me wrong. I respect what you are trying to do, but the reality is that your 2TH product will not be worth $100 in Feb, 2014, if the difficulty progression continues at this rate. Even KNC & Bitfury will have to slash prices on next batches. Otherwise they will be mining with the hardware themselves and incurring negative ROI like the rest of us. This is a race to the bottom. The argument that bitcoin price and network hashing rate will adjust does not hold because people buy mining hardware without looking at the numbers. If they did, the network hashing rate increase would be at 3-5%/yr (fiat inflation). Will we see the correction in prices or network hashing power? I don't think so. As long as the chips can be cranked out at few cents and boards assembled at $15-20, the march will continue.
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Still have 48 chips left for sale from my 128 chip buy.
PM me if you are interested.
They are BTC5.5 for 16 chips or BTC15.5 for all 48.
They are in Canadian Customs at the moment, will be released today or tomorrow.
Thanks, af_newbie
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I'm in for one X3 ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) . Blackarrow delivered on the Lancelots, I believe they will deliver on their ASICs. Their timeline seems more realistic than others and KNC has proven that it can be done quickly if the process is well managed. Nobody is questioning BA integrity. What the problem with pre-orders (not just BA) is that the price should be adjusted down every diff increase (10-14 days) by 30%. $5,000.00 $3,500.00 $2,450.00 $1,715.00 $1,200.50 $840.35 $588.25 $411.77 $288.24 $201.77 $141.24 $98.87 Why? Because every 10-14 days your earnings get a 30% haircut. Every 10-14 days!!! Even with one month delivery you are losing 50% before you even receive the product. But ALL manufacturers keep the price flat from the announcement to delivery. That is why selling h/w is the only way to make money in "mining business" because you lock your profits in advance. I don't see how you can get ROI from any pre-orders...Especially, with private pools that get hardware at cost.
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One went to Luke-JR, he will have it today or tomorrow at the latest, and this will allow him to test with latest bfgminer and also post video of board hashing so everyone can see proof that the board works which we already know it does, but I understand people want to see for themselves.
+1. Good call to sent it to Luke-Jr. Thanks for your update.
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Looks like I found 261222 with diff: 365.53M (3:33 EST), pool still reports I did not find it. Not sure how the pool reconciles submitted shares if it cannot determine who submitted the hash that solved the block.
Inaba, what is my numerical user ID?
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so I think what im going to do is keep testing this board, and send the last untouched but fully assembled board to form along with cooling parts so he can get it working himself, he is much more technically inclined than I am with this type of thing, looks like im going to fedex this morning ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Are you hashing with any of the chips/engines? You should be able to issue some query commands to the controller even if chips are not on the board or are dead. No? Maybe you did not flash it right. If it is firmware like BFL's, that is how it should work. i.e. the chip map will be empty. Any idea when form will get your board? I just hope it is just a software issue. If it is a hardware problem, the project will be pretty much kaput as most people will just order from Mr. Teal ($600 without cooling elements) and start hashing before KNC gates open wide.
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"Tradehill is hosting BitSyncom's newest round of next-gen Avalon ASIC mining equipment sales. We've partnered with BitSyncom to bring you a series of auctions, which allows you to set your own purchase price. For more information, please visit our Tradehill Auction page."
This is such bogus I can't believe it.
Yifu made it clear in the gen1 chip fiasco that he did not control anything and did not make or produce the chips, thus when the China folks didn't ship him anything he said there was nothing he could do.
Now he continues to say "bitSyncom's newest round of next-gen Avalon ASICs", these are not his chips to sell. He is just a reseller, and a reseller who has been unable to obtain supply. This guy has a seriously inflated sense of himself.
Yifu/BitSynCom/ngzhang will not be selling any gen 1 or 2 directly. They would sell very few units if they tried. They will hide behind proxies and resellers who can offer a better customer service. And that is probably a very smart move on their part. Their reputation took a massive hit and there is no easy way to recover from that. Especially in the environment of new, more transparent and more responsive manufacturers and resellers.
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1 KNC Jupiter => 700W+ and still is in preorder but I wish you luck about delivery time hope you get it soon : )
True, but if bitfury lowers prices, watch out. Nobody wants to pay extra for in-hand anymore. I say you have another two weeks to move it. I bid BTC40. Please don't be offended. I'm interested. Looks like these days, when you buy hardware, you are pretty much stuck with it.
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I just got my refund however it was not quite the amount I was hoping for... ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) I paid BTC 13.8932 I just got refunded BTC 10.198 Feeling scammed... If you want to protect yourself against this fiat/btc rate fluctuations, you should buy the corresponding amount of bitcoins when you purchase with bitcoins (in fiat) and sell them when you get a refund. You might still lose a bit but not as much.
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https://tradehill.com/auctionsopinion? has that guy refunded everyone is he making it up to people with free second gen devices is anyone going to participate (the greeeed) IDs to buy mining hardware? They must be kidding. Just ignore them.
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Please don't compare long term Swedish business men with greedy no business manners chinese pussies.
Business men everywhere are all the same. What they do is limited by the laws of where they operate? If you think otherwise, you are very naive. If they run business, they run it to maximize profit. Period. If they run a non-profit organization, that is a different story.
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