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1741  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do you believe God exists? on: November 09, 2018, 12:15:40 PM
I always believe in our God Almighty, if you don't, then to whom would you believe?

Whichever God you want to believe, for example, Bruce Almighty?  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Almighty

Or pick from any 3000+ Gods humans invented over the years.  You have a choice.

I personally recommend HexHronoExus, prophesied in the Book of AF Newbie.  He is the real God.  All others are fake, invented by human imagination.  HexHronoExus is real, you can feel him all around you right now.
1742  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why I'm an atheist on: November 09, 2018, 01:48:46 AM

So you don't know what spirits are but you believe they exist outside of our bodies?

How can you believe in something that you don't know what it is?  That is just mind-blowing.  At least Flat Earthers know what they believe in.

You religious guys don't even know what exactly you believe in.  You are unable to define and describe the fundamental concept of your dogma, i.e. soul or non-personal spirits.

You believe in a story provided to you since childhood.  That is why you believe, without question, without common sense, without knowing what exactly you believe in.

Don't feel bad, you and billions of other people have been brainwashed into the same cult.  If you have any intelligence left, stop for a second, and ask yourself, what exactly is a spirit, or soul and why scientists were unable to detect it in the last 100 years.

Or better yet, stop believing that things that you cannot define exist.  

It is like me saying: "I know that HexHronoExus exists, I cannot tell you what it is or what it looks like, but trust me I know it exists. I feel its presence."

Would you consider me a sane person for having such a belief?


Now you are talking just silly.

You believe in things that you don't know, but that you have some evidence for. The things that you know, are the things that you don't believe in. Why don't you believe them? Because you know them.

For example, when you sit down at the table for a meal, do you believe that the chair is there? Or don't you? You don't believe it. You know it. You know it so well that you don't even think about it. You simply go and sit down.

If you don't understand that there is some evidence that spirits exist outside the body, you have been leading a sheltered life... very sheltered. All you need do is some Internet searches to see that there is evidence. Since there is evidence of out of body, why do you think that you know that spirits don't exist outside the body? You sound a little like you are missing some part of your brain.

As far as your HexHronoExus, I don't know what it is, and at the moment, I don't much care. But why would I consider you insane if you know it exists. I mean, if you have such a belief, that's between you and the wall. But... don't you think that you should examine what it is that you said up there^^^? You didn't say belief that it exists. You said Know that it exists. Then you said that you believe that you know. You are talking about something that everybody does about something. Are you trying to say that people are insane, and get me to agree with you about something that you are unclear on?

On top of that, when you say that I believe in a story, look around and see all the stories that people believe in. But they don't do it for lack of some evidence. They do it because they see evidence that is not conclusive. If the evidence were conclusive, they would know it and wouldn't have to believe.

If you have never been to China, how do you know that it exists? You believe it very strongly because you have a bunch of faith in a whole lot of people who say they have been there... who are showing you pictures that they  say come from there... are doing things that they claim have to do with China. But you only have strong faith in China, because you have never been there yourself, and you don't know for a fact.

Cool

But I have a book ("Book of AF Newbie") that clearly specifies and provides "proof" that HexHronoExus exists.  The book lists historical figures and events and provides a written record of HexHronoExus existence.

I am talking silly?  How are my claims any less valid than those of Christian mythology?

Scripture - check
Written record - check
Disciples - check
Believers - check
Church - check

Just compare it with Christianity to see how ridiculous the whole concept of religion is.


If you want to believe about your HexHronoExus, go right ahead. But do you see what you just said? You said validity.

Almost all religions are based on faith. Faith means not having 100% knowledge, but it also means having enough knowledge so that one can see that it might be factual. The Christian religion fits this. If you believe your HexHronoExus thing has enough evidence, put your faith in it.

Just remember, the second most printed book in the world has been published less than half the times that the Bible has. And that book isn't even a religious book. The point is that this evidence, alone, gives the Bible great strength. When you add to it the fact of 25,000 hand-copied New Testaments from the old days, and the next nearest was only in the range of 900, and next to that was almost nothing - only 5 ancient, hand copies of Plato - the Bible and Christianity have some zest to them that nothing else has.

If we never had invented the printing press, there would still be thousands upon thousands of Bibles, hand copied. But there wouldn't be more than one of Darwin. The Bible has strength.

Cool

You misunderstood.  Why don't you believe in HexHronoExus? You have the same evidence for your faith in Christian God as you have for the faith in HexHronoExus.
1743  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why I'm an atheist on: November 08, 2018, 09:02:27 PM

So you don't know what spirits are but you believe they exist outside of our bodies?

How can you believe in something that you don't know what it is?  That is just mind-blowing.  At least Flat Earthers know what they believe in.

You religious guys don't even know what exactly you believe in.  You are unable to define and describe the fundamental concept of your dogma, i.e. soul or non-personal spirits.

You believe in a story provided to you since childhood.  That is why you believe, without question, without common sense, without knowing what exactly you believe in.

Don't feel bad, you and billions of other people have been brainwashed into the same cult.  If you have any intelligence left, stop for a second, and ask yourself, what exactly is a spirit, or soul and why scientists were unable to detect it in the last 100 years.

Or better yet, stop believing that things that you cannot define exist.  

It is like me saying: "I know that HexHronoExus exists, I cannot tell you what it is or what it looks like, but trust me I know it exists. I feel its presence."

Would you consider me a sane person for having such a belief?


Now you are talking just silly.

You believe in things that you don't know, but that you have some evidence for. The things that you know, are the things that you don't believe in. Why don't you believe them? Because you know them.

For example, when you sit down at the table for a meal, do you believe that the chair is there? Or don't you? You don't believe it. You know it. You know it so well that you don't even think about it. You simply go and sit down.

If you don't understand that there is some evidence that spirits exist outside the body, you have been leading a sheltered life... very sheltered. All you need do is some Internet searches to see that there is evidence. Since there is evidence of out of body, why do you think that you know that spirits don't exist outside the body? You sound a little like you are missing some part of your brain.

As far as your HexHronoExus, I don't know what it is, and at the moment, I don't much care. But why would I consider you insane if you know it exists. I mean, if you have such a belief, that's between you and the wall. But... don't you think that you should examine what it is that you said up there^^^? You didn't say belief that it exists. You said Know that it exists. Then you said that you believe that you know. You are talking about something that everybody does about something. Are you trying to say that people are insane, and get me to agree with you about something that you are unclear on?

On top of that, when you say that I believe in a story, look around and see all the stories that people believe in. But they don't do it for lack of some evidence. They do it because they see evidence that is not conclusive. If the evidence were conclusive, they would know it and wouldn't have to believe.

If you have never been to China, how do you know that it exists? You believe it very strongly because you have a bunch of faith in a whole lot of people who say they have been there... who are showing you pictures that they  say come from there... are doing things that they claim have to do with China. But you only have strong faith in China, because you have never been there yourself, and you don't know for a fact.

Cool

But I have a book ("Book of AF Newbie") that clearly specifies and provides "proof" that HexHronoExus exists.  The book lists historical figures and events and provides a written record of HexHronoExus existence.

I am talking silly?  How are my claims any less valid than those of Christian mythology?

Scripture - check
Written record - check
Disciples - check
Believers - check
Church - check

Just compare it with Christianity to see how ridiculous the whole concept of religion is.

1744  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why I'm an atheist on: November 08, 2018, 06:09:48 PM

Your identity is inside your brain, I agree.  Your emotions are inside your brain.  You can call them spirit(s), no issues.

But do you believe spirits exist outside of your brain? What are they made of?

Where is the Holy Spirit, or any other spirit, other than human emotions located?

Forget your Christian mythology for a second, and think about the spirits, what are they and where are they right now?

Are they in our physical universe or outside of it?

If they are like God, residing outside of the known universe they are indistinguishable from things that do not exist such as fairies.

I think that this "spirit" idea is a fundamental concept of any religion.  

Once you unpack that, the rest of the storyline falls apart like a house of cards.

So it was a serious question: what are the spirits made of and where do they live?  And more specifically what is the Holy Spirit made of and where does he live?


How do you know that your mind or identity are inside your brain? You have been saying that science hasn't been able to even find these things, even though they are obvious. Think about the following, and apply it.

----------

Go to a railroad track somewhere, and get down and place your ear on the track. You can hear a train coming from great distances away. The track is solid, but you can hear the train farther away than you can hear it through the air. In other words, sound travels through solids.

Same with under water. Sounds that you hear underwater are different than the way you hear them through the air. But they are there, and sometimes even clearer.

Now don't jump into preconceived notions of what I am about to say next >>> Consider the aether that notbatman talks about now and again. He talks about it, but doesn't ever really explain what it is. There isn't much explanation about it anywhere, except that some people think that it exists.

Next, consider the vibration aspect of electromagnetic waves moving through space. Sound uses material to vibrate through. What does electromagnetic vibration vibrate through? What is the medium that light waves use? Light is to what, as sound is to the material it vibrates through?

We call it empty space, because it seems empty to us. But the reason it seems empty, is that our bodies are actually made up of subatomic particles/vibrations, electromagnetic energy waves traveling in circular motion, reacting off each other, and off the medium that they are traveling through, right? So, everything is electromagnetic waves way down deep into the microcosm.

This means that there is a "substance" (that some people call the aether) that everything vibrates through, electromagnetically. We don't know much of anything about that substance. And the reason we don't is that it is a different form of substance than the substance of electromagnetic waves that material is made up of.

And it seems that we are intentionally focused away from examining it... Einstein didn't have the training for the things he spouted, but they seem to work. So where did he get his ideas that seem to be so accurate? And why did he look away from the idea of explaining the aether when it seems that it would be a logical thing for electromagnetic waves to be traveling through?

Now, don't answer those questions... at least without considering the point, first.

----------

The point is, we don't know, and seem to be shutting ourselves off from, the answers to your questions, of how the soul and emotions can exist outside of the brain. But we don't know that they don't. And we don't know that they can't. And the evidence that they might, lies in understanding that there might be a whole lot more to the medium that electromagnetic waves travel through, than is outwardly admitted in standard scientific circles.

Personally, I think the mind can work through the spirit and soul to manipulate the fabric of space, itself.

Cool

So your answer is you don't know.  Is that your answer final answer?

I don't know if that is my final answer. But there is more evidence for the idea that emotions, soul, spirit, and mind, are a whole lot more than figments of "simple" brain bio-electrics.

Cool

So you don't know what spirits are but you believe they exist outside of our bodies?

How can you believe in something that you don't know what it is?  That is just mind-blowing.  At least Flat Earthers know what they believe in.

You religious guys don't even know what exactly you believe in.  You are unable to define and describe the fundamental concept of your dogma, i.e. soul or non-personal spirits.

You believe in a story provided to you since childhood.  That is why you believe, without question, without common sense, without knowing what exactly you believe in.

Don't feel bad, you and billions of other people have been brainwashed into the same cult.  If you have any intelligence left, stop for a second, and ask yourself, what exactly is a spirit, or soul and why scientists were unable to detect it in the last 100 years.

Or better yet, stop believing that things that you cannot define exist.  

It is like me saying: "I know that HexHronoExus exists, I cannot tell you what it is or what it looks like, but trust me I know it exists. I feel its presence."

Would you consider me a sane person for having such a belief?



1745  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why I'm an atheist on: November 08, 2018, 02:09:35 PM

Your identity is inside your brain, I agree.  Your emotions are inside your brain.  You can call them spirit(s), no issues.

But do you believe spirits exist outside of your brain? What are they made of?

Where is the Holy Spirit, or any other spirit, other than human emotions located?

Forget your Christian mythology for a second, and think about the spirits, what are they and where are they right now?

Are they in our physical universe or outside of it?

If they are like God, residing outside of the known universe they are indistinguishable from things that do not exist such as fairies.

I think that this "spirit" idea is a fundamental concept of any religion.  

Once you unpack that, the rest of the storyline falls apart like a house of cards.

So it was a serious question: what are the spirits made of and where do they live?  And more specifically what is the Holy Spirit made of and where does he live?


How do you know that your mind or identity are inside your brain? You have been saying that science hasn't been able to even find these things, even though they are obvious. Think about the following, and apply it.

----------

Go to a railroad track somewhere, and get down and place your ear on the track. You can hear a train coming from great distances away. The track is solid, but you can hear the train farther away than you can hear it through the air. In other words, sound travels through solids.

Same with under water. Sounds that you hear underwater are different than the way you hear them through the air. But they are there, and sometimes even clearer.

Now don't jump into preconceived notions of what I am about to say next >>> Consider the aether that notbatman talks about now and again. He talks about it, but doesn't ever really explain what it is. There isn't much explanation about it anywhere, except that some people think that it exists.

Next, consider the vibration aspect of electromagnetic waves moving through space. Sound uses material to vibrate through. What does electromagnetic vibration vibrate through? What is the medium that light waves use? Light is to what, as sound is to the material it vibrates through?

We call it empty space, because it seems empty to us. But the reason it seems empty, is that our bodies are actually made up of subatomic particles/vibrations, electromagnetic energy waves traveling in circular motion, reacting off each other, and off the medium that they are traveling through, right? So, everything is electromagnetic waves way down deep into the microcosm.

This means that there is a "substance" (that some people call the aether) that everything vibrates through, electromagnetically. We don't know much of anything about that substance. And the reason we don't is that it is a different form of substance than the substance of electromagnetic waves that material is made up of.

And it seems that we are intentionally focused away from examining it... Einstein didn't have the training for the things he spouted, but they seem to work. So where did he get his ideas that seem to be so accurate? And why did he look away from the idea of explaining the aether when it seems that it would be a logical thing for electromagnetic waves to be traveling through?

Now, don't answer those questions... at least without considering the point, first.

----------

The point is, we don't know, and seem to be shutting ourselves off from, the answers to your questions, of how the soul and emotions can exist outside of the brain. But we don't know that they don't. And we don't know that they can't. And the evidence that they might, lies in understanding that there might be a whole lot more to the medium that electromagnetic waves travel through, than is outwardly admitted in standard scientific circles.

Personally, I think the mind can work through the spirit and soul to manipulate the fabric of space, itself.

Cool

So your answer is you don't know.  Is that your answer final answer?
1746  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Alternatives to death penalty? on: November 08, 2018, 02:02:51 PM
Death penalty has its pro and con but I think it has little effect on reducing crimes. Though it does help reducing cost spent on prison. What do you guys think? Is there alternatives to punishing crimes?

It is a difficult question.

From the economic point of view, the average cost of incarceration per inmate is around 150K/year.

I would propose to create two options for all convicted death row inmates:

Option 1: death penalty, execution in one week.  This is a default option if option #2 is not chosen.

Option 2: work for free in a prison factory for the rest of his/her life.  Family members/friends would have to agree to pay the difference in prison costs+20%.  Any breach in the contract would trigger option #1.

The cost of the two options will be minimal to the rest of us. 

I already see money-raising campaigns to "save the lives of death row inmates".
You know the ads you see on TV about saving tigers or starving children in Africa etc.  I think option #2 will be very popular and in the end will make money for the government.

You will basically spread the cost among the willing participants, instead of the current system when all taxpayers are on the hook.

1747  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why I'm an atheist on: November 08, 2018, 12:18:10 PM

Yep, I know how to do it right. I'll tell you how. Let God work doing it right in you/me. He does this by working Jesus-salvation faith in me. He works this saving faith through His Holy Spirit that binds Himself to the part of me that is salvation faith, and strengthens that part. He can do this for you if you only will weaken yourself enough that you can't resist Him any longer.

Cool

Dude, I don't know what a "spirit" is, never mind the "holy" one.

Let's start with the basic definition/description of "spirit" before we get to "salvation", lol.

What is a "spirit"?  A ghost?

WTF are you talking about?

I have seen some of the things that you post. Some of them are quite intelligent. So, why haven't you thought about looking through dictionaries, encyclopedias, and books on the subjects you are trying to find out about?

Science has virtually torn the brain apart. They know all about its connections and workings. But they still haven't been able to find the mind. They barely know how to start taking hold of the natural neural net that constitutes what the mind is.

So, they aren't going to have it easy when it comes to the complex mind, the emotions and "I am" identity. These things are along the lines of what the soul and spirit are.

Why are you so adamantly set against the facts of soul and spirit and emotion and mind, when these things are in use all day long... even by you. Advance along with science, and help find out what they are instead of denying the obvious. It's almost like you have a religion that wants to limit your thinking.

Cool

Your identity is inside your brain, I agree.  Your emotions are inside your brain.  You can call them spirit(s), no issues.

But do you believe spirits exist outside of your brain? What are they made of?

Where is the Holy Spirit, or any other spirit, other than human emotions located?

Forget your Christian mythology for a second, and think about the spirits, what are they and where are they right now?

Are they in our physical universe or outside of it?

If they are like God, residing outside of the known universe they are indistinguishable from things that do not exist such as fairies.

I think that this "spirit" idea is a fundamental concept of any religion.  

Once you unpack that, the rest of the storyline falls apart like a house of cards.

So it was a serious question: what are the spirits made of and where do they live?  And more specifically what is the Holy Spirit made of and where does he live?
1748  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why I'm an atheist on: November 07, 2018, 11:30:41 PM
Christianity spread faster in small, politically structured societies
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-018-0379-3

Their argument is supported by many historical evidence.

Historically, adoption of a religion has been mainly a coercive reality and not the result of a journey of self-discovery (of course, with some individual exceptions).

Families adopted a religion because their King or invaders embraced it (the history of Christianity with Constantine, Protestantism or Islam confirms it) and directly or indirectly forced this upon them.

Kids adopt a religion because their parents induce this, by early indoctrination or punishment. It's no surprise that most people have the religion of their parents.

While this is true, the greatest reason for the spread of Christianity is that God is bringing people to Christianity through the work of His Holy Spirit.

People often don't do it right. But since this whole world is dying - people usually don't live much longer than 100 years - salvation for Heaven is what counts. And such is what Christianity is all about.

Cool

Let me guess, and you know how to do it "right".

BTW, where is heaven?

Christianity is a myth.  Many pregnant girls in the Bronze Age had to resort to ghosts to save themselves from stoning.

We even have one today:

https://thereisnews.com/pregnant-nun-says-it-was-holy-spirit/

Ironically, the church leaders are not convinced.


Yep, I know how to do it right. I'll tell you how. Let God work doing it right in you/me. He does this by working Jesus-salvation faith in me. He works this saving faith through His Holy Spirit that binds Himself to the part of me that is salvation faith, and strengthens that part. He can do this for you if you only will weaken yourself enough that you can't resist Him any longer.

Cool

Dude, I don't know what a "spirit" is, never mind the "holy" one.

Let's start with the basic definition/description of "spirit" before we get to "salvation", lol.

What is a "spirit"?  A ghost?

WTF are you talking about?
1749  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is Cryptocurrency fulfilling the prophecy from Revelation? on: November 01, 2018, 08:46:16 PM
Christians have been screaming "end times" for 2000 years... this is nothing new

This isn't even the first time they have claimed this exact prophecy... as a kid, my church said credit cards were this prophecy from revelations

Have you actually read the book of Revelations?  It's one of the best books in the bible, though it wouldn't hurt if you were tripping on acid like the author
RIGHT! I do not understand how they even come up with these ideas. They seem to be able to find every way to link religion into just about everything. It's just a drag to progress.

In their world, everything has a meaning derived from one of these three books: Talmud, Bible or Koran (aka Bible 2.0).

The trilogy prophesized everything in their lives, from bees dying to new Presidents with small hands and fluffy hair, to Chinese takeover; or whatever conspiracy theory their little brains can come up with.  And now Bitcoin.

The only thing missing is the actual description of SHA256 algorithm in the Bible.  But those are details.  Not important.  The main idea is important.  Roll Eyes
1750  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do you believe God exists? on: November 01, 2018, 08:36:21 PM
There are 5 proofs of the existence of God. It is written by Aquinas. I give it below:

1. Proof through motion means that everything moving has ever been triggered by something else, which in turn was triggered by the third. It is God that is the root cause of the whole movement.

2. Proof through the generating cause - this proof is similar to the first. Since nothing can produce itself, then there is something that is the root cause of everything - it is God.

3. Proof through necessity — every thing has the possibility of both its potential and real being. If we assume that all things are in potency, then nothing would arise. There must be something that contributed to the transfer of things from the potential to the current state. This is something - God.

4. Proof of the degrees of being - people talk about the various degrees of perfection of an object only through comparisons with the most perfect. This means that there is the most beautiful, the most noble, the best - that is God.

5. Proof through target cause. In the world of rational and unreasonable creatures, the expediency of activity is observed, which means that there is a rational being who sets a goal for everything that exists in the world - this being we call God
There are some perfect proofs http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm, they are so god damn good, that i cant even stop laughing.

+ 2

These are some solid proofs.  BADecker himself used few of them on this forum, so they all must be true.  Watch him, he is going to come out of the shadows and cut&paste his 5 links to other threads to proof that God in fact exists.  Any minute now...

If only God would care to post on this thread, oh, well, impossible will be impossible, no matter how hard we hope for it.
1751  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do you believe God exists? on: November 01, 2018, 05:28:24 PM
There are 5 proofs of the existence of God. It is written by Aquinas. I give it below:

1. Proof through motion means that everything moving has ever been triggered by something else, which in turn was triggered by the third. It is God that is the root cause of the whole movement.

2. Proof through the generating cause - this proof is similar to the first. Since nothing can produce itself, then there is something that is the root cause of everything - it is God.

3. Proof through necessity — every thing has the possibility of both its potential and real being. If we assume that all things are in potency, then nothing would arise. There must be something that contributed to the transfer of things from the potential to the current state. This is something - God.

4. Proof of the degrees of being - people talk about the various degrees of perfection of an object only through comparisons with the most perfect. This means that there is the most beautiful, the most noble, the best - that is God.

5. Proof through target cause. In the world of rational and unreasonable creatures, the expediency of activity is observed, which means that there is a rational being who sets a goal for everything that exists in the world - this being we call God

1752  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: November 01, 2018, 04:27:38 PM
You're telling me a lie to my face as part of a massive conspiracy while at the same time calling me a liar. I want you fucking dead, how come you can't understand this?

What's the conspiracy?  Explain how you can't see the sun but you can see the much dimmer stars behind it?

If you can't explain that, why do you pretend to believe it?

First word, perspective.

So you can't see the sun because it is too small in the distance, yet you can see the much much MUCH smaller stars further away?  That's your lie now?

I do understand you want me dead.  The only way you can win an argument with lies is if no one confronts you.

 Cool

Let him win the "argument".  Would that change anything?  He still needs to be diagnosed. 

Agreeing with him might actually lessen his symptoms as he will become less aggressive towards other, sane people.
1753  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do you believe God exists? on: November 01, 2018, 02:39:27 PM
But Satan thought he was better than God and tried to conquer God. So, God destroyed him, and is in the process of destroying his works.

From what I remember from reading the bible, Satan was the good guy

God murders, or orders the Israelites to murder, millions of people in the bible...

Satan only murders Job's family, and only because God told him to do it

Satan is known as the questioner/accuser of God... Satan didn't try to "conquer" God... Satan accused God of abusing his authority like a dictator... Satan managed to convince 33% of all the angels that God was a dick... God saw that he was losing his control, so before it reached 50%, he banned everyone from heaven... just like a fascist dictator would do

God is a fascist dictator... no wonder republicans like God and Trump so much... sorry, not sorry


God made everything and owns it all. When people are against God like Satan was, they should be glad He even gives them the opportunity to be on His side, so that they will not be destroyed like Satan was. But when they won't change, okay. They are with Satan, and get the same results as Satan.

Or don't you own any property? Or do you let your neighbors into you living quarters and do anything with your stuff that they want? And do you let everybody mess up all your plans? You are at the library right now, using one of their computers, because people wrecked yours, because you don't care about your property?

Since God made people, and gave them freedom to act according to His instructions, which is to their best benefit... yet they frustrate Him to no end by turning against Him Who holds them alive, to destroy themselves (even though they may not clearly understand that is what they are doing)... why shouldn't He finally let them go on to their own destruction?

God isn't destroying people. They are destroying themselves, just like their buddy, Satan, did, by opposing their Creator.

Cool

I have a serious question for you.  Did God create Snowball from Orwell's Animal Farm?

Or people created God, Satan, and Snowball characters?

What mechanism do you use to distinguish fiction from non-fiction?

Did anyone see God, Satan or Snowball?
1754  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do you believe God exists? on: November 01, 2018, 02:02:59 PM
Argument has been going for ages
1. I asked if there is no God how was man made to be? (if you say organisms well what happen to those organisms ?)
2. I have seen people illness that the doctor said was incurable all of a sudden disappear without explanation ? (if one can explain how?)
3. all the species we have on earth I can but ask myself how was it all created if not by a supernatural source ? (if you have a theory love to hear it )
4. there are how many languages on earth how did it all come about! i just see somethings among men that always point there is a GOD

it does not matter if you believe or not
it does not matter how long your theory or smart
it does not matter how we want to feel about it

there is something that we cant always explain the source and that is GOD  Kiss

Can you prove that BTGEB (Bobby The God-Eating Bear) exists?

Unless you can prove that BTGEB does not exist, God does not exist because it will be eaten by the BTGEB.

If you can prove that BTGEB does not exist, then apply the same method to God.

It logically follows that God does not exist.

BTGEB is only another name you are applying to Satan.

God created Satan for good. God gave Satan great enough wisdom so that Satan walked with God on "the fiery stones." Some people think that Satan may even have been third highest in Heaven at one time.

But Satan thought he was better than God and tried to conquer God. So, God destroyed him, and is in the process of destroying his works.

The reason it is difficult to see how God is doing this is, God does things with His strength. Nobody deters God, not even Satan. So, God is doing what He set out to do, while at the same time pulling Satan's destructive forces out of it all, and destroying them.

BTGEB is dead, killed by God. We are simply to minuscule in our little lives to understand it easily.

Now, the question is, will you continue to follow BTGEB/Satan and be destroyed along with him? Or will you turn to be saved by God as He wants you to be?

Cool

I don't know Satan, but I know BTGEB.

Focus on the proof that BTGEB does not exist.
1755  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? on: November 01, 2018, 01:57:47 PM

As compared to what?  Your dream?  Life originated in liquid water.

You are just trolling me.  You cannot be that stupid.

If you want to discuss the origin of life and how a man was created you have to use evidence other than what the Bible says.

Bible requires faith.  Faith is not a reliable way to discover the truth.


LOL! You don't even realize how stupid that is, do you?... that anybody would think he can figure out what happened hundreds of thousands or millions of years in the past. Let me show you how stupid it is.

Today, right now, we have hundreds of thousands or millions of smart mathematicians trying to figure out where the Forex, the stock market, the derivatives market, the nations, elections, and thousands of other things are going in life. What do they use to do their calculations? Statistics from literally yesterday, on back through the well-documented history of the last hundred years.

What are the results of all their calculations from the well-documented statistics history? Good guesses. Why guesses? Because they all flub it good, on a regular basis. They all get it wrong here and there.

And you think that some self-styled scientists can take a look at some vague history that they think relates to hundreds of thousands or millions of years ago, and determine how life originated back then? You think that they are way smarter than the mathematicians who are using accurate statistics from the last hundred years - statistics that are right close to today - but still caqn't figure out what is going on today? LOL! You can't even understand how stupid that sounds, can you?

If you had any brains at all, you would be scientifically checking into why the Bible is a solid, eye witness record, of things that happened in the past, and how it is the Word of God given to people by God, so some of them can be saved.

Cool

Imagine 5000 years from now, people will discover the Apple OS 31.0 source code.  It will contain a significant AI breakthrough code and some people will claim that John Smith wrote it, others will point out that it was Jane Smith, while others will claim that it was their son Josua.  They will argue about it, write e-books about it, start new political AI movements based on it, and eventually start wars to reaffirm the superiority of their beliefs.  Meanwhile, the code in Apple OS 31.0 will be invalidated by computer scientists, many bugs and security holes will be found.  Basically, that code will be used as an example to teach kindergarten kids how to not write the AI code.

This is what people do today when they claim that Talmud, Bible or Koran are revelations from God.

Do you see how stupid the religious ideologies are?  Not only they teach you nonsense, but the moral code they espouse is abhorrent.

I am telling you that faith will lead you into the moral abyss of the Bronze Age/6th century.

When you abandon reason you become as ignorant as Jesus's disciples or Muhammad's companions.
1756  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump wants to end birthright citizenship on: November 01, 2018, 01:21:08 PM
The 14th amendment has been used incorrectly.  People who were born in the US and who do not reside the US should never have been given citizenships.  

The 14th amendment was written to give former slaves citizenship.  It was used correctly to give citizenship to anyone born in this country, regardless of whether their parents were citizens or slaves or whatever.

I'm not saying a pregnant woman from another country should be able to fly to the US in 2018 and have a kid who gets automatic citizenship, but that is the way the constitution is worded... and as mentioned before, there is over 100 years of precedent to overturn if you want to change the way the law is interpreted

I know.  I see two issues with it today.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Foreigners and their children without legal status are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US, nor do they reside (legally) in the US.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark


I think the part "subject to the jurisdiction of the US" is in regards to political entities like diplomats.

Even if you are doing illegal things, you are still subject to the jurisdiction of the US (e.g. detention, sending back, court process etc) - except you have something like diplomatic immunity.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark
In that case, the parents were "legally domiciled" in the US.

Ok, what about the "wherein they reside"?  Do babies whose mothers came to the US few days (weeks) before delivery, reside in the US?

Canadian snowbirds who legally stay in the US for 5 months a year, do not reside in the US.  They just visit for 5 months.

Mothers who are in the country illegally should be arrested at the time when they try to register their baby's birth.  End of story.

I guess we'll see how this will play out in the Supreme Court.
1757  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do you believe God exists? on: November 01, 2018, 12:54:25 PM
Argument has been going for ages
1. I asked if there is no God how was man made to be? (if you say organisms well what happen to those organisms ?)
2. I have seen people illness that the doctor said was incurable all of a sudden disappear without explanation ? (if one can explain how?)
3. all the species we have on earth I can but ask myself how was it all created if not by a supernatural source ? (if you have a theory love to hear it )
4. there are how many languages on earth how did it all come about! i just see somethings among men that always point there is a GOD

it does not matter if you believe or not
it does not matter how long your theory or smart
it does not matter how we want to feel about it

there is something that we cant always explain the source and that is GOD  Kiss

Can you prove that BTGEB (Bobby The God-Eating Bear) exists?

Unless you can prove that BTGEB does not exist, God does not exist because it will be eaten by the BTGEB.

If you can prove that BTGEB does not exist, then apply the same method to God.

It logically follows that God does not exist.
1758  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: November 01, 2018, 01:52:47 AM
Just remember. On a FE, if the sun were 3,000 miles above you when it was directly overhead, perspective and triangulation require that your buddy who is 3,000 miles away from you, sees the sun at only 70% of the diameter that you see.

Since this doesn't happen, but rather the sun is the same size for both of us, we are not on a FE.

Cool

This may be possible given the correct atmospheric conditions. If you've ever reached up to grab a rope or a ball while underwater you'll recall that it isn't where it seems to be and is often larger than it should be. The atmosphere has a similar lensing effect on celestial light sources like the Sun and Moon with refraction and magnification.

The Sun and the Moon are projected lights and if you were to travel to 3,000 miles you would find a high-voltage mirrored surface. The mirror consists of a nickel-iron oxide layer on a long grain damascus type steel substrate. This golden curved mirror is part of an electro-mechanical holographic projection system that projects all of the celestial objects.

The lights in in sky are just that, lights; they're not hydrogen bombs, giant heavy balls or any other kind of massive object.

Hey, chief, let me guess, you came up with the nickel-iron oxide layer after you read the labels on the batteries that power your cabin in the woods?

This is hilarious.  Seriously, high-voltage mirror, long grain Damascus type steel substrate, electro-mechanical holographic projection?

Is there anything else we need to know?  Keep going...LOL

I should have gone to study Psychiatry, it would have been more entertaining than Electrical Engineering.
1759  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump wants to end birthright citizenship on: November 01, 2018, 12:33:46 AM
The 14th amendment has been used incorrectly.  People who were born in the US and who do not reside the US should never have been given citizenships.  

The 14th amendment was written to give former slaves citizenship.  It was used correctly to give citizenship to anyone born in this country, regardless of whether their parents were citizens or slaves or whatever.

I'm not saying a pregnant woman from another country should be able to fly to the US in 2018 and have a kid who gets automatic citizenship, but that is the way the constitution is worded... and as mentioned before, there is over 100 years of precedent to overturn if you want to change the way the law is interpreted

I know.  I see two issues with it today.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Foreigners and their children without legal status are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US, nor do they reside (legally) in the US.

Pregnant women DAILY hit US side border hospitals, have their baby and return to Mexico a few days later. Neither the mom, dad or child "reside" anywhere in the USA. It's no different than if I travel to Mexico and stay in a hotel. I do not reside in Mexico, I am only there for a few days.

Really this should be an issue that left and right can find agreement on.

I did not know that.  And what are the US consulates in Mexico doing about it?  I guess these ladies are trekking the hills without any visas.

The US government can fix this issue by not registering such births.  Only a mother with a green card or a passport card should be allowed to register her babies in the Vital Records.
1760  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The difference between science and religion on: October 31, 2018, 10:46:19 PM
Religion talked about and used mathematics thousands of years before science ever existed.

Cool

Should we use trepanning to cure migraines or perform bloodletting in alignment with the planets and zodiacs?

Talmud recommended specific days of the week and month to perform bloodletting, well before modern medicine existed.

Not sure what is your point.  

Are you suggesting that religious, ignorant superstitions are superior to science?

Your ignorance of the modern world is astounding.

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