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2741  Economy / Speculation / Re: intrinsic value and the value of accounting. why a goldrush will affect bitcoin. on: January 20, 2014, 11:12:39 AM
Makes perfect sense but there is sooooo much money in gold it would take decades for this to happen.


yes, actually that might be a cause for gold to be one of the few stable derivatives to bitcoin - though that is difficult for anything to do.
Also the idea of coloured coins - tying the ownership of an asset to a bitcoin is highly relevant to this idea.
2742  Economy / Speculation / intrinsic value and the value of accounting. why a goldrush will affect bitcoin. on: January 20, 2014, 04:11:45 AM
So banks in Germany have officially stopped gold price setting in response to questions over Germany's missing gold, while last week Friday and this morning gold is turning bullish. This might turn out to be one of the greatest scams in history and send gold prices flying to the true inflation adjusted value.

In this video by Alan Watts there is a very nice idea about the true role of gold in society, that really all along it has played a primitive role of Bitcoin - a unit of account.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssDY74nLuLg&feature=youtu.be
see 13.40 onwards.

"In order to avoid the risks and expenses of shipping gold overseas in trade great banks around the world sent their gold to deep vaults on an island in the Pacific, where it could be moved from one banks vault to another easily and securely when it needed to be traded. for years it functioned efficiently. One day when an official asked to see the gold it was discovered that there had been a earthquake years before and the gold had been berried in their deep vaults. but none the less, it functioned all the same for all those years, because the book keeping was sound. "

This is the same situation that the FED and Germany are in now. The intrinsic value of gold has been irrelevant for many decades, and has functioned just like a primitive form of bitcoin, a unit of account, good for book keeping.

I think this is going to become an ongoing idea in the coming months and years, that although gold may be worth more than it is now, it is losing its shine. Bitcoin is the most sophisticated unit of account in history, and it may replace gold in this sense.

2743  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 20, 2014, 03:25:16 AM
I miss volume Sad

Just need a couple of whales to set us on track to 1k!

Don't fool yourself. Around 950 the first people start dumping and around 970 the sheep will completely panic and sell till we're back at 900. At least that is most likely to happen.

sheep are easy to harvest when price moves against them, not so much when it moves with them. we might see a lot of margin calls of shotr positions.
2744  Economy / Speculation / Re: Automated posting on: January 20, 2014, 03:11:45 AM
This movement has carved a 5 wave elliot wave over the last 24 hours on BTCE. the retracement was healthy and supported. Im thinking third wave up past 950, fifth wave to 1000.
2745  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin - Bulls out of the wedge but without force on: January 20, 2014, 02:59:12 AM
Give up the idea of doubling your investment in days. Think about Bitcoin's long-term potential and the long-term potential of an investment: I mean 1 year +, which really isn't very long practically-speaking. Then you can forget about daily price moves. Even if it goes down for a week that doesn't matter. Just keep an eye on the bigger picture - read about the technology, follow the political stuff. As long as Bitcoin remains technologically sound and legal in at least a few countries then there is much more room for adoption and innovation around the system.

EDIT: and mentally write off any losses once you decide to go long for the long-term. It's what you pay for learning this particular game!  Smiley

I do believe in Bitcoin's long term potential, but in the short term, I think Bitcoin is away to get fucked up the arse and I don't want my arse to get fucked alongside it.

If I am wrong, then I am a big idiot who misses out on loads of upside, just like I have already missed out the chance to be a Bitcoin millionaire....but still, there is always the day job.

EDIT: Having resigned myself to mourning my losses as my stop-loss buy-ins came within a ball hair of being triggered, it looks like Bitcoin is going into freefall across all exchanges!!!

YAAA FKN HOO!

Don't count your chickens before the eggs have hatched. Tongue Hope you covered your short before the price went back up. You are by far the most emotional trader I have ever seen. You should really chill out and take a step back and look at your trades from a distance. Emotions will ruin your profits

agreed 100%. if you are angry at the market, youre doing it wrong. "emotions will ruin your profits" - also, profits will ruin your emotions.
its a sport, an art, it will take years of practise and failure before you get it.
2746  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin - Bulls out of the wedge but without force on: January 20, 2014, 12:14:19 AM

It can be a trap for the Bulls   Wink

I'm afraid that really is just wishful thinking.

Yep, it would be. Huobi has popped right through its previous high and looks like it will go through roof.

I have done fucking horrendously this weekend, my first weekend of trying to short Bitcoin.

It might well be outrageously manipulated but I feel quite disgusted at being on the wrong side of the trade the whole weekend. Since I can't seem to get anything right I shall not be jumping sides and joining the upside crew, cos all that will happen if I do is that it will stop shy of $850 when I am in my bed and fkn plummet wiping out half my capital.

2nd worst Bitcoin investment experience ever.

despite appealing short opportunities in bitcoin, I have always been scared to death shorting anything that has a such limited supply. bears are sooo easy to trap in bitcoin, when price is projected to 10,000, 100,000 etc.

yeah it could be a bull trap Wink but the bears might get more than they bargain for.
2747  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin - Bulls out of the wedge but without force on: January 19, 2014, 11:48:22 PM

Bitcoin - Bulls out of the wedge but without force

Price broke the resistance line of the wedge, but with little volume.
The breaking of resistence $ 950 can take the price up to $ 1000.


Chart of 120 minutes

Blog - Bull And Bear Markets




I scalp a bit on the forex, especially in gold, and I notice before any large move, the price creeps up with little volume. There is probably a big stand off between 780 and 1120 ish. you will see big volume when one side gives in, it looks like the bears will give in and cover shorts.
2748  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why are we still at this price? Review of bearish thread titles... on: January 19, 2014, 09:17:55 PM
This subforum is literally BRIMMING with bear threads. Here's what's on the first page:

BTC Beginning of the End ! (igorr)
2014 could be a slow year for bitcoin (wobber)
SHOTRING BITCOIN: This is a good idea right now (proudhon)
Worst Case Scenario: Price predictions? (Opsamk)
bearish sentiment in a possible third wave (chessnut)
Do we know why the price is dropping? (Remember remember...)
Confirmed bad news sources thread - No FUD, just facts!!!1 (proudhon)
Another BEARS ONLY discussion. When will bitcoin finally drop and how far? (Edward50)
The age of KARHU begins....seek ye refuge in alms to the KARHU! (KARHU)
Time to dump BTC now I say (DustyRah)

So with this kind of speculation subforum sentiment, why are we still more or less in the same place we've BEEN... HuhHuh

You are pretty slow of the mark.

All the 'Short Bitcoin Now' threads were from 2-3 days ago. Since the shorting opportunity has passed, we have had a bounce and a revival falling short of the crucial §850 resistance, and now guess what....?

......it's another good time to short Bitcoin.

at least for the next few hours anyhow.

No I think that is the point. people have been talking short for several days. I took a poll that shows most people are short. but the larger C wave correction in question has not come. time to cover your shorts? i think so!
2749  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin - Price on vertex of the wedge. on: January 19, 2014, 09:00:49 PM

Price on vertex of the wedge.

In the 120 minute chart we can see the price within a wedge. The break of support or resistance line can be a business opportunity.



There are two possibilities, this could be a break of the wedge up, or it could be the third of 3 waves up (C) following the sharper three waves own. I guess its a good opportunity because they are both likely to continue for a profitable distance upwards. I think come February many shorts will be reversed. by elliot wave analysis, we could be in a III wave now, I think so because the sentiment is so bearish, in articles and even here. people are short, but the price hasn't dropped. up it goes.
2750  Economy / Speculation / Re: Its called a correction on: January 19, 2014, 11:20:01 AM
charts only work if majority believes and follows them

the ongoing theme of Bitcoin is breaking trends

Are you saying TA only works when the majority follow the chart? that cant be true. If the masses all followed TA they would all win, and that cant happen. The masses craft the graph through social mood/news, and because price is highly subjective, it turns out totally irrational. we read the graph, and the sentiment, we see the panic, we see the greed, we see the insiders, and we stay ahead.
The ongoing theme is still up, and the masses are still small.
2751  Economy / Speculation / bearish sentiment in a possible third wave? on: January 19, 2014, 04:24:26 AM
So three waves have come and gone, we are in a 3rd wave or a B wave. Reading over this forum many people (other than proudhon haha) seem to think there will be squeeze and panick (B wave) and furthermore, there is a lot of talk going shotr. Would I be wrong if I said all us believers would be quick to close our shotrs if the next surge goes up to $1100 again? I really dont think its unlikely.
I think that maybe early february shotr positions will be closed if no fall comes. The trend is still up, weekly and daily, and on an hourly chart all I see is small 3 wave correction.
2752  Economy / Speculation / Re: Price will go up fore sure and I will tell you why! on: January 19, 2014, 02:59:17 AM
Lines are made with news. Not lines.

'Lines' are made also when stops and limits are hit and when a lot of people default. these lines are most common and necessary because of the distribution of wealth and information.
It was hilarious to watch the gold manipulation in 2012-2013 when some of the NFPs came out very negative yet gold fell sharply after a tiny spike up. There were a lot of stops hit back then. sentiment used to be 80% bullish on gold. now its 59%.
its all science in the end. TA is not a joke, however ambiguous it may be.
2753  Economy / Speculation / Re: January 31st Impact on Bitcoin on: January 19, 2014, 12:06:43 AM
Hey guys,

On end of January USA financial regulators will "discuss" Bitcoin. I am here to see what you guys are guessing ahead, i am at momment holding on pesimistic but realistic view that this will almsot certainly lead to ban of Bitcoin from USA, trough some skitty financial license law where license will be distributed very very rarely.

It should be at least 30% drop in BTC price, i am even thinking quickly signing for SP500 broker and short BTC for few days. Not that i am not believer in BTC, becouse i am but i am completly realistic as what can gathering of regulatory mobsters bring.

That the USA would ban bitcoin does not gel with the sale of DPRs 30k bitcoins by the FBI. The USA is run by and for investors, I simply dont see them banning a commodity they have just sold millions of dollars worth of. besides, the FBI holds a further 144k bitcoin. With the potential price of bitcoin in the future, they will be shooting themselves in the foot to ban it. If the regulators can come to any conclusion what so ever it is likely to be only a good thing, because it gives all the legit investors something they can finally act upon, and besides, you cant regulate bitcoin.
2754  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Hi There! on: January 18, 2014, 02:03:08 AM
Hello

welcome to this great forum.

I am new here as well.

have fun

All the best.

Hey folks Im wondering, when do I become able to comment on other sections than the noobie section? Im new to the forum but not new to Bitcoin, and I have some ideas that I would like to share on the forums.
Thanks,
Matt.
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