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January 19, 2014, 03:44:44 PM
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I miss volume Sad

Just need a couple of whales to set us on track to 1k!

Don't fool yourself. Around 950 the first people start dumping and around 970 the sheep will completely panic and sell till we're back at 900. At least that is most likely to happen.
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January 19, 2014, 03:44:52 PM
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yay weekend rally back on

Not that i really care but where did the dips go?

the rear view mirror. bought at $789 just sold. BOOyah!
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January 19, 2014, 03:46:47 PM
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I miss volume Sad

Just need a couple of whales to set us on track to 1k!

Don't fool yourself. Around 950 the first people start dumping and around 970 the sheep will completely panic and sell till we're back at 900. At least that is most likely to happen.

I mean over a week or two, a few big buys now will reverse the down-trend we've had since the 6th.
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January 19, 2014, 03:47:39 PM
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the rear view mirror. bought at $789 just sold. BOOyah!

bummer, right before the launch to new ATH.

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January 19, 2014, 03:53:39 PM
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the rear view mirror. bought at $789 just sold. BOOyah!

bummer, right before the launch to new ATH.



don't worry. I still have plenty to sell you then. ;-)
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January 19, 2014, 04:02:43 PM
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Explanation
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January 19, 2014, 04:10:19 PM
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It is actually the same bullshit Gox bot that was identified a couple weeks ago. At least on Gox. People call it the "Willy" bot and is likely run by MtGox since it had trading access while everyone else was shut out of Gox for an hour+ last week. Most of this current rise on Gox is the Willy bot. Buys around 15btc every 7-10 minutes.
There is no indication that anybody is calling the bot "willy" and also you should be aware that there are at least 4 different official channels to send trade requests to gox: The website, the http(s) api, the socket.io API, the websocket API. Also it would not make sense for gox to buy BTC which would make the overall situation even worse, it would make much more sense for them to sell BTC and buy some of the USD that people cannot get out of there.
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January 19, 2014, 04:29:58 PM
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There is no indication that anybody is calling the bot "willy"

It was simply termed that in the TradingView chat box, no official builds of anything with that title.
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January 19, 2014, 04:32:00 PM
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Perhaps because Dogecoin is what Bitcoin should have been?

There are a number of economic reasons that make me skeptical about Bitcoin's chances of success.  But there is one reason that makes me wary of it: the fact that its is being "marketed" more as an investment than a payment system.

Here is what a true Bitcoin believer, pure of heart, should be saying:

  * Our goal is cheap, easy, unrestricted international payments;
  * We will succeed if everybody uses uses crypto, we will fail if no one uses it;
  * Other cryptocoins are welcome and we hope they prosper.
  * Our hope is that SOME crypto will succeed; it doesn't have to be Bitcoin.
  * We do not know how much a Bitcoin will be worth, and it does not matter.
  * However, the value of a cryptocoin should be as stable as the dollar's value is now.
  * The sooner the price stabilizes, the better.
  * Hoarding or speculating with cryptocoins is evil as it defeats those goals.
  * Large cryptocoin-based financial institutions are just as evil as dollar-based ones.
  * Our priority is to convince merchants to accept crypto as payment method.
  * People should change dollars for crypto only if and when it is is clearly worth it.

Instead, here is what Bitcoin enthusiasts seem to be saying, here and in other forums:

  * Our goal is to get rich.
  * We will succeed if Bitcoin's value rises to the Moon, fail if it goes down to cents.
  * Other cryptocoins are unwelcome competition and we must speak out against them.
  * Our hope is that BITCOIN succeeds, we will be mad if some other crypto crushes it.
  * One Bitcoin must be, and surely will be, worth at least 1000 USD.
  * The price should keep rising in the long run so that Bitcoin hoarders can have a steady income.
  * Large price oscillations are good now because one can make money or grab more Bitcoins.
  * Hoarding and speculating with Bitcoins is what the thing is all about.
  * Large cryptocoin-based institutions are welcome because they will want to push the price up.
  * Our priority is to convince everybody to change all their dollars for Bitcoins and hold them fast.
  * People should pay for things and services with Bitcoins even if it is not worth it.

That unfortunatey is the mindset that fuels bubbles and Ponzi schemes...  Angry

This is what your post tells me:

 - You haven't read Satoshi's White Paper.
 - You base your understanding of the 'goals' of Bitcoin, and its many and diverse users, on recent headlines and the Speculation forum of this site.
 - You haven't spent much time on the Dogecoin thread or subReddit.
 - Something about the price rise, and the fact that people have - and continue - to profit from it, annoys you.

"People should change dollars for crypto only if and when it is is clearly worth it."

How do you expect this ^^ to ever come true if people aren't willing to speculate? Someone has to take the chance. When is it clearly worth it? If you're looking for signals, maybe it's clearly worth it when it can go from a few dollars to 1,000 in a year?

Actually, why am I arguing here.... You're someone who comes to the "Wall Observer" in the Bitcoin speculation forum to complain that people are treating Bitcoin as a speculation vehicle, and then suggests that Doge is somehow immune the whims of traders and their pump and dump evils.


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January 19, 2014, 04:34:36 PM
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the rear view mirror. bought at $789 just sold. BOOyah!

Congrats with that, goign by time of your post seems like you just about hit the top.

I have been trying to short all the way from $810. Lost about $400 so far today.

Still shorting though and now that sentiment of the gamblamaniacs on Huobi seems to have changed course, my bets might actually start coming good.
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January 19, 2014, 04:36:49 PM
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what rhymes on "Choo Choo" ?

Choo Choo - without you !

... and me too
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January 19, 2014, 04:44:47 PM
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the rear view mirror. bought at $789 just sold. BOOyah!

Congrats with that, goign by time of your post seems like you just about hit the top.

I have been trying to short all the way from $810. Lost about $400 so far today.

Still shorting though and now that sentiment of the gamblamaniacs on Huobi seems to have changed course, my bets might actually start coming good.

It's important to think long term when shotring bitcoin at this point.  There will be some good "good" news (but it will not be confirmed by good sources in the right way, watch out for this), but you can't let this impact you, because the confirmed bad news is too clear and verified by good sources.  In other words, the bad news fundamentals are too strong.  Shotring bitcoin at any price is a good bet, due to confirmed bad news sources that we have verified from reliable sources.
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January 19, 2014, 04:45:37 PM
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Do you have access to a live version of that chronological wall chart?
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January 19, 2014, 04:47:37 PM
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January 19, 2014, 04:49:15 PM
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Guys the joke on us, I've been watching Mtgox and bitstamp and simply some smart people are slowly buying small batches of 20-50 BTC each hour and it has been happening for the last couple of day.


It is actually the same bullshit Gox bot that was identified a couple weeks ago. At least on Gox. People call it the "Willy" bot and is likely run by MtGox since it had trading access while everyone else was shut out of Gox for an hour+ last week. Most of this current rise on Gox is the Willy bot. Buys around 15btc every 7-10 minutes.

No- Huobi lead this small rise. BTC-E has also been relatively strong this weekend. You can't just blame bots.

I didn't say Gox lead the rise over all the exchanges, I said Gox alone. The bot on Gox has been doing the majority of buying over the last couple hours. I didn't originally identify this bot nor am I the only one who sees it exists. For Gox yes one can blame the bot. It buys 15 every 7 or so minutes and there has been a lot of volume. It is rather easy to spot.

there is maybe more then 1000 bots on Gox, currently 1207 on btc-e.  When access via web interface is not available, bots still can trade connecting via API. So, it does not means that it is bot which run by Gox. Hard to believe Gox will do some shady things as this, it will be spotted rather quick and bad for reputation.
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January 19, 2014, 04:50:46 PM
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now, that the sunday rally is over

how low will the monday dump take us ?
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January 19, 2014, 04:52:52 PM
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the rear view mirror. bought at $789 just sold. BOOyah!

Congrats with that, goign by time of your post seems like you just about hit the top.

I have been trying to short all the way from $810. Lost about $400 so far today.

Still shorting though and now that sentiment of the gamblamaniacs on Huobi seems to have changed course, my bets might actually start coming good.

I hate selling coins, but my job doesn't pay all the bills. I bought in with money I couldn't afford to lose Friday and that's why I sold today. I'm a long term bull of course, and this little day trade bought me some time. I beat the bots for once!
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January 19, 2014, 04:58:54 PM
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the rear view mirror. bought at $789 just sold. BOOyah!

Congrats with that, goign by time of your post seems like you just about hit the top.

I have been trying to short all the way from $810. Lost about $400 so far today.

Still shorting though and now that sentiment of the gamblamaniacs on Huobi seems to have changed course, my bets might actually start coming good.

I hate selling coins, but my job doesn't pay all the bills. I bought in with money I couldn't afford to lose Friday and that's why I sold today. I'm a long term bull of course, and this little day trade bought me some time. I beat the bots for once!

WHAT?
No one beats the bots man...
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January 19, 2014, 05:02:33 PM
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January 19, 2014, 05:09:04 PM
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"People should change dollars for crypto only if and when it is is clearly worth it."
How do you expect this ^^ to ever come true if people aren't willing to speculate?

Sorry for not being clear. "Worth it" means "you need to pay for something, and using bitcoin is cheaper/faster/safer than any other method."  Not as speculative investment.

[You] complain that people are treating Bitcoin as a speculation vehicle, and then suggests that Doge is somehow immune the whims of traders and their pump and dump evils.

Perhaps Dogecoin is (or will be) spoiled by speculators too, but I have seen "official" sites that explicitly discourage hoarding.  My feeling is that the Dogecoin community is nowere as obsessed about price as bitcoiners seem to be.
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