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2741  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] [[LTC-MINING]] - GLBSE LIST RECEIVED - BTC-TC TRANSITION COMPLETE on: December 06, 2012, 04:07:12 AM
Pretty slick. I'm impressed with your ability to get things done.
2742  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: bad news for bASIC - not shipping til mid Jan at best on: December 06, 2012, 04:00:40 AM
Everybody is in the same boat now. Avalon's small pre-order seems like the front runner to ship first at this point.
2743  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: So why are you guys interested in bitcoins? on: December 06, 2012, 03:24:42 AM
Shelter from endless FRN inflation tax.
2744  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTCT.CO] ESECURITYSABTC on: December 06, 2012, 12:28:59 AM
Dividend failed! Cry
2745  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: bad news for bASIC - not shipping til mid Jan at best on: December 06, 2012, 12:23:52 AM
@ creativex, thank you for making my point about you being simple minded. Even when given evidence you are unable to see it in front of you. Maybe it's a comprehension problem.

Hey no problem. Thanks for the...umm...evidence. Smiley
2746  Other / Off-topic / Re: Should BFL get a scammer tag? on: December 05, 2012, 11:43:06 PM
Sure thing buddy! Just lemme get these clock buffers installed. Things will be right as rain!
2747  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: bad news for bASIC - not shipping til mid Jan at best on: December 05, 2012, 11:05:34 PM
What a simple mind you have creativex.

Can the insults dude in drag, at least until you learn to spell. If you'd like to debate and exchange viewpoints I got no problem with that.

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I suppose in your world things don't change until someone directly tells you they have changed. I suppose your unable to discern that when BFL 'found the flaw' is was done threw testing that simulations did not reveal. Maybe you think that BFL is incapable of producing a prototype after they said they didn't have one.

Are you suggesting something has changed? Anything to back that up? I'm not interested in BFL's excuses for bending the pooch over. I distrust everything they say anyway. Even if their stories were consistent, and they are not, they wouldn't pass the stench test. The fact that a convicted thief works for BFL is a great reason for them to keep their noses clean, to be be honest and transparent, but this has not happened.

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I expect BFL to ship when the quality it right. What's that saying, 'no fine wine will be served before it's time'? BFL is a Chateau Ausone Saint Emilion, bASIC is MD 20/20.

...okay. I generally consume under 1/3 Ozt of AG/bottle Pinot Noir, Syrah, or Shiraz. I'll take the bASIC01, pocket the difference between it and the overpriced single SC, and pick up a couple cases while enjoying my extra 12Gh/s thanks.  

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Tom is going to have a hard time with warranties with people supplying their own power supplies. Many of them will be old faulty units that were replace for a reason. This alone I surmise will increase Tom's operating cost 30%-60%, maybe even more. Also it will increase the chance of a customer getting a refurbished unit sold as new.

That's not my problem now is it? Tom seems like a savvy businessman to me, I think he can fend for himself.
2748  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: bad news for bASIC - not shipping til mid Jan at best on: December 05, 2012, 09:54:57 PM
Not exactly encouraging news coming from BTCFPGA lately, that's for sure.

I dunno, if Tom doesn't have chips then he lied as far as I'm concerned .......

January is not far away though and both Avalon and BTCFPGA are supposed to ship something. I have no idea what BFL is saying now, other than the fairy tale end of December stuff which doesn't even pass the smell test.

@ creativex, your the one living in a world of fantasy. Tom has no PCB made, no heat sink manufactured, sourcing for power supplies falls upon you to buy elsewhere and you have no idea on the state of Tom's ASICs from the foundry. In short, Tom is trying to create a product in 2 months but has spent many months trying to create that product and has failed. On top of that Tom doesn't even know if his product will function as expected sense he has nothing to test. After all it could be a dud like his last attempt.


Tom has never said he had production PCBs made that I'm aware of. Don't care about the power supplies, I'm a computer tech and have dozens. Tom began construction after BFL from all I've read, do you have contrary evidence? Actually Tom admitted to having a prototype, it was BFL that denied having one. You seem to be confused.

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Look at BFL's supply chain, you have chassis, PCB, heat sinks, ASICs, power supplies, custom shipping packaging. BFL is waiting on one more puzzle piece for final testing before shipping. BFL's product is not an inferior basic product. For Tom it's about quantity not quality.

BFL has ASICs? Well then they're good to go right? ...except they don't work, or they're not "perfect" enough, depending on which BFL rep is disseminating. "Custom shipping packaging"? You're kidding right?

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creativex, I wonder if you will call Tom's timeline a 'fairy tale' when he misses his latest announced ship date. You know he will for one reason or another.

Do you have information to share? BFL has missed multiple timelines. Do YOU expect them to ship by the end of December? How about January 1, 2013? When? I do not know Tom will miss another scheduled ship date. His track record even with this miss is far far better than BFL's, however if January 31, 2013 comes around and the spinmeisters at BFL have managed to spit out a working ASIC and I do not have one from Tom, I will likely cancel.
 
2749  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: bad news for bASIC - not shipping til mid Jan at best on: December 05, 2012, 09:43:33 PM
I do. Either BFL's COO is incompetent and cannot get anything straight or he's disingenuous and keeps manufacturing BS stories. Given that they keep making excuses and have contradicted each other I'll take the later explanation.

So BFL's shipping delays = incompetent COO and malicious intent by all.
BTCFPGA's shipping delays = well intentions and honest hard work.

Correct, yes that's my interpretation. BFL has been advertising shipping "scheduled" for October for much of 2012. The delays are always billed as minor hiccups. Clock buffers being added to almost perfect chips...blah blah. That's crap and I don't buy it.

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Does it get any more biased?

Who said I was unbiased? I didn't. I'm biased toward the company offering the most Gh at the lowest price that I believe stands the best chance of getting a product out of the lip service state, into a box, and onto my doorstep. It's only a side issue that Tom has integrity and Josh/Inaba does not IMO, you're welcome to your own.  
2750  Other / Off-topic / Re: Should BFL get a scammer tag? on: December 05, 2012, 09:13:49 PM
I'm scheduling to retire with $10 million in the bank next week. Do you believe that?

YES! Moreover I have a ONCE IN A LIFETIME investment opportunity for you my friend! Tongue
2751  Economy / Economics / Re: You Know Whats f**king Sad? on: December 05, 2012, 08:19:10 PM
Yes peasants...you know, pitchfork carrying farm boys. Like yours truly.
2752  Other / Off-topic / Re: Should BFL get a scammer tag? on: December 05, 2012, 08:08:22 PM
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Honest Abe, we're scheduling shipments for October of 2012.

I expect them to not play word games with my hard earned money and therefore labor. Anybody reading this is going to believe this means they're shipping in October, but that's NOT what it means. It's like an official statement from Bill Clinton. Examine Josh's statements more closely and you will find this is a recurring theme. The man says NOTHING without a whole bunch of weasel clauses.
2753  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: bad news for bASIC - not shipping til mid Jan at best on: December 05, 2012, 08:04:25 PM
I do. Either BFL's COO is incompetent and cannot get anything straight or he's disingenuous and keeps manufacturing BS stories. Given that they keep making excuses and have contradicted each other I'll take the later explanation.
2754  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: bad news for bASIC - not shipping til mid Jan at best on: December 05, 2012, 07:58:10 PM
Not exactly encouraging news coming from BTCFPGA lately, that's for sure.

I dunno, if Tom doesn't have chips then he lied as far as I'm concerned and I'm not there at this point. I'd rather have working chips than pics of a board that may or may not be a production unit populated by chips that aren't ASICs which is my current understanding of the silly propaganda stunt BFL pulled. I still think BTCFPGA is better positioned than BFL to ship AND their products are a whole lot more affordable.

January is not far away though and both Avalon and BTCFPGA are supposed to ship something. I have no idea what BFL is saying now, other than the fairy tale end of December stuff which doesn't even pass the smell test.
2755  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Legitimately paying for Bitcoins seems like a complete chore on: December 05, 2012, 07:43:48 PM
People are trained almost from birth to measure the value of things in fiat funny money rather than a currency that has intrinsic value like gold, silver, and BTC. As a result most people will just stare at you blankly if you suggest they convert their FRNs to BTC. You're right about it being a PITA to convert FRNs to BTC. The least painful way I've found is Coinbase and it's far from anonymous, but it is easy.
2756  Economy / Economics / Re: You Know Whats f**king Sad? on: December 05, 2012, 07:22:58 PM
The peasants would likely revolt if they even had a clue that inflation tax theft existed. A candidate for POTUS standing there holding up a 1964 dime on every major network and exclaiming that it still buys pretty much the same amount of gasoline it did when it was minted didn't even phase the fluoridated masses.
2757  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: bad news for bASIC - not shipping til mid Jan at best on: December 05, 2012, 07:11:44 PM
Ja. That guy recently suggested BFL could still ship by the end of the year. Roll Eyes When the COO of a company says that it carries weight. When the COO of a company says that and it's 99.9% likely to turn out to be more magic fairy dust it just adds to the credibility gap. I rather buy from the company that levels with me, particularly when the news sucks. 
2758  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTCT.CO] ESECURITYSABTC on: December 05, 2012, 06:48:51 PM
Extra bonus is good! ...most good! Grin
2759  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] BTCJam - Peer to Peer Bitcoin Lending on: December 05, 2012, 06:06:05 PM
Some lenders have done this. The taxi cab guy seemed like a scammer to me, but some lenders requested pics of cabs and I believe got them. I believe he's late on his payments now.
2760  Other / Off-topic / Re: Should BFL get a scammer tag? on: December 05, 2012, 06:03:20 PM
Yeah I got it. The October delivery thing was just to draw the pre-orders away from competitors.

It's December 5, 2012 and BFL is hoping to receive respun chips next week. Does anyone seriously believe this company is going to ship out anything but more BS by January 1, 2013?
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