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2781  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [BOXING] Logan Paul vs Mike Tyson on: November 29, 2021, 12:05:19 PM
Due to that, the advantage has been seen by people like Logan because there are a lot of fans that are also following these type of matches because it's fun.

Logan Paul also has a lot of fans but on his youtube channel only, currently at over 23 million, so that would already given us a picture that the fight could sell since he has millions of follows that maybe a certain percentage will at least buy the PPV or watch the fight live.

On the other hand, Mike Tyson is always a legend, everyone knows him, so this fight is like a blockbuster fight/

logan subs live count = https://socialblade.com/youtube/channel/UCG8rbF3g2AMX70yOd8vqIZg/realtime
2782  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2022 NBA Season on: November 29, 2021, 11:38:50 AM
The Warriors are really an unstoppable force.

Steph is playing out of his mind and making everyone around him so much better than they otherwise would be.

Wiggins has found a new life to revive his #1 pick career, and Jordan Poole seems like Michael Jordan out there. They are a serious contender.

Speaking of the GSW and some amazing performances. The Suns and GSW, two of the best performing team this season will clash on Thursday.
The Suns is on a 16-game winning streak. This could be interesting. If the GSW breaks the Phoenix Sun's winning streak, they could be the most dominant team in the West this season.
Nothing comes closer to these two teams so far early in this season.
Very interesting on how the bookies will set the spread and +/-.

That's a good one, the day after tomorrow we will see them clash. No odds for now yet but the Suns are playing at home so most likely they will be listed as the favorites to win. I'm not sure which team will win but I like the Warriors to give the Suns a hard time and stop their win streak.

According to https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba-game/golden-state-warriors-phoenix-suns/109517.

The odds are 50/50, so it's not hard to find which team to bet.
I'm sure most of the bettors would go for the Warriors but we cannot discount the greatness of the Suns as they are in a long win streak and they'll try to continue to make it alive and try to beat the Warriors. May the best team wins, but we should choose the team that we like to win, that's the fun in betting.
2783  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing]: Casimero vs Butler ordered by WBO on: November 28, 2021, 09:17:03 PM
^^ Recently, we have huge upset when Kambosos knock down Teo Lopez and then won on decision.
That shocked the world but Kambasos deserve that win as he was the better fighter in that fight.

I do hope that Casimero won't suffer the same fate though, just saying. We all know that Casimero has all the advantage here specially in power department but he shouldn't be overconfident in this fight as he needs to win his mandatory and move on next year with a big unification with Inoue.
We never know and I think Casimero would not be a heavy favorite in this fight, so it's not a big upset.
I saw one poster won his bet on Kambasos with an odd odds of x18, I'm not sure if we can get that kind of odds here.
2784  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2022 NBA Season on: November 28, 2021, 09:00:33 PM
^^ I agree, the most consistent player right now is AD in Lakers. While the rest is very inconsistent and then the turnovers are killing the Lakers chances of winning a ballgame. If they can manage to reduce their turnovers per game, for sure they will have a good chance to win those close game they have.
Westbrook is number 2 in most turnovers ranking this season, so I think he is the main problem if we are talking about turnovers as the main reason of their struggle. https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/player-stat/turnovers

Lebron James will always be the Lakers main guy and he will always take the last shot.
He has the freedom to take the last shot but sometimes he pass the ball if he feel pressured, IMO, he is not a good finisher.
2785  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2022 NBA Season on: November 22, 2021, 09:52:08 PM
This article would explain, A Bad Boy for life: Isaiah Stewart plays hard, not dirty, and he’s not going to stop...

What happened is that, Isaiah Stewart plays hard as usual and Lebron gets frustrated, it could happen to anyone whether a superstar or not.

And Anthony Davis defended by saying "Everyone Knows Lebron is not a Dirty Player"
https://hoopshype.com/2021/11/21/anthony-davis-everyone-knows-lebron-james-is-not-a-dirty-guy/

yes, I agree with that, Lebron is not known for that, only known for being a good flop.
Yes I agree too, LeBron James is an excellent floper lol

I believe LJ did that maybe to push Stewart away or give him some warning, that's normal in basketball.
But I don't think anyone would have expected such damage and the intensity of the elbow, I believe LeBron James did intend to hit Stewart, but not wanting to hurt him.
Everyone knows that, depending on where the elbow hits, it is a "razor", especially if it hits the eyebrow, mouth, nose, side of the eye and other parts.

That's not a simple push, there's really an intention to hurt someone and that's due to frustration since Lebron is not really a dirty player.
Look at Isaiah Stewart's face here.. Pistons just trying to bring their culture which is the bad boys.

https://metro.co.uk/2021/11/22/lebron-james-bloodies-isaiah-stewart-with-elbow-to-the-face-leading-to-mass-brawl-15643398/

2786  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [BOXING] Logan Paul vs Mike Tyson on: November 22, 2021, 09:34:33 PM
In talks about stats and glory things then i dont care.Its clear as day on what are their motives on arranging out these kind of fights and it isnt really that
much surprising.
This does not exist in exhibition fights, it's completely due to money so they'll find to generate money. Whoever wins this does not guarantee he will still get a fight next time because it entirely depends on the promoter of the fight if they will continue promoting a certain fighter. With the names like Mike Tyson, he wouldn't suit up his gloves if he is not receiving the amount of his expectation, he is a legend so his value is definitely high.
2787  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2020 Philippine Basketball Association betting discussion on: November 22, 2021, 08:47:32 PM
PBA stars might think about it and consider those offers, 1 season can bring decent paychecks which you can established good business for your future, instead of playing long years from PBA Cool
It's really about their future and those that are serious with it, they'll take the offer and settle when they retire. But we don't know the retirement benefits from PBA. So they have to consider bigger paychecks on the present and settle when they're ready for it.
These offers really good to decline and that's why some of them have already went to B League and we know that it won't be stopping there because there will batches that shall take the offer as they're being scouted to play there.

The opportunity given to play with B-League is not for everyone, it's only for players that are extremely good so we will still see the PBA continue to exist. About the benefits, maybe there are more benefits when playing in the PBA but that is still lower compared to what an import will receive playing in B-League, and as long as they know how to manage their finances, they can certainly save money for the business to secure their future.
2788  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: NBA 2020-2021 betting on: November 22, 2021, 08:20:26 PM

Exactly, Curry knows how to take a back seat and let others score, in this case Wiggins get's hot on the first quarter and then Poole on the 2nd.

Draymond also played superb offence and defence, he can carry and push the ball and make some incredible plays. I have Warriors + Suns parlay -5.5 and 4.5, so another good win.

Congrats, easy win for you.!

Suns did not allow Nuggets to come neat them, without the Joker it's a tough night for them facing a well balance offensive
attacks of Suns.

I also enjoy how Curry and Green played earlier. No need to force and take lots of shot, let Wiggins and Poole to handle that,
they are all enjoying whoever playing inside.


That's a good recipe for success. Warriors have the best season without Thompson, they can be in the playoffs (90%), and be in the NBA Finals (50%). It's my personal prediction so that means I have to be on this team in the regular season as they have won and covered the spread in many games already.
Next game for the Warriors is against the sixers, but they'll take days of rest before that. 
2789  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2020 Philippine Basketball Association betting discussion on: November 22, 2021, 12:11:55 PM
For me, I would rather see Christian playing in B-League rather than staying on his team that he is only criticized by the fans. In B-League, it's more competitive and the most important thing is the salary is way bigger than what he is making with the PBA.

Yes, there are offers for C-Stan to play in Japan but due to FIBA rules on Asian import, he may not play on the B1 League but rather on the B3 league which pays at least $36K per month, very much lower than B1 League players/imports received. 

But his playstyle fits on that kind of league though so this might be the last conference Christian will play in the PBA.

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Stanhardinger, the 6-foot-8, 220-pound hybrid affectionately called C-Stan, only qualifies as a "world import" in Japan, relegating him to the B3.

Per a FIBA edict, Asian imports hooping in the B1 and B2 League must hold a passport and are qualified to play for the national team of their Asian country of origin. Standhardinger has played for Gilas Pilipinas is the past, but only as a naturalized player.
Looking at the numbers, that monthly income is really what matters here and I don't think PBA can counter offer it. This good opportunity for every PBA offer to accept the offer if there is because PBA is full of politics and criticism from its own viewers, its not worth it to stay if there's an offer but of course you must deliver so they'll get you again, I hope he accept the offer.

There's no way they will counter it as the difference is too big. Just like the previous post,  Romeo is earning 200k PHP per month in the PBA while he can earn as much as 2 million PHP per month so that x10 amount he will make will never be given by the SMC management, even JMF is not making 1 million per month.
2790  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing]: Lopez vs Kambosos - November 27 on: November 22, 2021, 11:32:10 AM
I'm not going to miss this match, there are so many delays on this match and I'm sure it's worth it after these delays, Lopez has many plans in the future and so is Kambosos both fighters are with great potential this has the making of a great fight and if the match is close there could be rematch it's only 6 days to go, let's see if this will become a fight of the year candidate.

We have witnessed some good fights this year already, so let's hope this fight will not disappoint us. In order for this fight to be a candidate of the fight of the year, it has to be competitive, and it would be nicer if the fans will be surprised that the underdog will upset the favorite which is Lopez.
2791  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [BOXING] Logan Paul vs Mike Tyson on: November 22, 2021, 10:57:23 AM

It's entertainment but they are fooling the fans if they just follow the script. We still see exhibition fights because we think the fighters are competing to win, not following the script for the sake of money and to avoid getting injured, if that's how delicate they are, then they should not fight.

I don't believe that Tyson will not be able to hurt Logan Paul which is not a boxer, so it's easy to detect if it's rigged or not.
By instinct and trust with how great Tyson, hitting or hurting logan is not impossible to him, not unless there's really something that being cooked inside this deal, I see your point and there are still fans who believes with the greatness of Iron Mike; they are willing to buy tickets and bet for him.

People who see him when he still in his prime and those young adults who heard about him and watch his clips.

So far, it's just a rumor and we don't have anything to prove it. It's fans' money to use, they are responsible for that. Tongue Cool

Fans would not question the fight as long as entertaining, but it's normal that some fans will have some speculation whether the fight is clean or rigged, and even if it's rigged, they wouldn't be answerable to anyone as what they are doing is just simply for entertainment.
2792  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2022 NBA Season on: November 22, 2021, 10:07:13 AM
I think these dirty style plays from LeBron are going to become more and more common as his aging lowers his play level to be below some of the young guys in the league. I don’t he’s going to have an easy time adjusting to him not being the most dominant player on the court. When I start seeing stuff like that, it makes me think he should start considering retirement before he cheapens his legacy.
Agree with you, that's a sign of frustration that he cannot be dominant anymore, plus his team now is struggling and I really thought they would lose against the Pistons but I'm surprised they bounce back really strong in the 4th quarter. They had struggled against a weak team, so they have no chance to beat a good team especially in the playoffs if they won't adjust and Lebron acted like he began to doubt himself.

Or he could be feeling insecure about this young guys because he is disrespecting him. And if I may recall in this game, he was really frustrated, he was blocked twice with no fouls. It was clean block though so maybe this really fuel James attitude in this game specially a team like Detroit. Yes, he is not a dirty players, but this time he really went overboard and it was a cheap shot.

I now have a doubt that the Lakers would still be a championship contender team, if their leader can't handle the problem, then their good chemistry will never be built. As for the Latest odds on the NBA futures, LA Lakers is now ranked at number 4, previously at number 2, here are the odds.

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/futures/

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ODDS TO WIN 2022 NBA FINALS
Team   Odds
Brooklyn Nets   +260
Golden State Warriors   +600
Milwaukee Bucks   +700
Los Angeles Lakers   +900
Utah Jazz   +1000
2793  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [BOXING] Logan Paul vs Mike Tyson on: November 21, 2021, 12:46:04 PM
No, this is just an exhibition match so Mike shouldn't take this as professional fight. Besides, he has been out for many years in professional boxing, he is already 55, so this is just for a show to his fans.

Well on the Roy Jones fight, we saw that it is predetermined, so in this fight, this might be the case again. It could end up in draw for all we know.
Why do you think that Roy Jones and Mike Tyson danced to a predetermined result. The rules were such that the winner will be determined only if anyone could knockout the opponent and once they were not able to land that punch, it went to a draw.

Roy Jones was the best during his time and when it comes Logan Paul he is nothing in terms of skill level and Mike Tyson could knock him out.
Unless if Mike was instructed on not to give out that knock out punch even though he's old but his still capable on doing that and someone like Logan couldnt able to bare it out i presumed.
They would really dance off for the sake of entertainment as this fight was settled for that very reason which it isnt really surprising that they would really be trying their best
to put up a good show thats why im not really expecting that much for it to be that convincing but lets hope that this one truly entertains.
It's entertainment but they are fooling the fans if they just follow the script. We still see exhibition fights because we think the fighters are competing to win, not following the script for the sake of money and to avoid getting injured, if that's how delicate they are, then they should not fight.

I don't believe that Tyson will not be able to hurt Logan Paul which is not a boxer, so it's easy to detect if it's rigged or not.
2794  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2020 Philippine Basketball Association betting discussion on: November 21, 2021, 12:17:58 PM
Lets forget first the Terrence Romeo rumors and lets see some other news that are related to Basketball

Shabazz Mohammad, the import of Meralco has been replaced by Tony Bishop. Mohammad is replaced due to a personal emergency.
- Base on One Sports Facebook Page, Bishop is the leading scorer of the Panama National Team in 2017 Fiba AmeriCup. Making a quick Google search and you will find that the National team ranks 48 overall so they are at the middle of the rankings. He is the top 2 leading scorer of the team with 16 PPG and the top rebounder with 9 RPG so I'm expecting that this averages will be higher coming into the PBA although I want to see Shabazz playing in the league. Its just very exciting to see an NBA player playing into our league but.. things like this are happening.
We haven't seen Mohammad played yet so it's okay, at least they have an import to compete in the next conference.
His stats - https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/b/bishoto01d.html

Anyway, any announcements into when the Governor's Cup will begin? Maybe I'm not updated Cheesy
There's no official news yet but it's expected to start this month.
2795  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing]: GGG vs Murata December 29 on: November 21, 2021, 11:50:54 AM
The main complaint about him is that he has always boxed in the same weight class.  Because of this, he missed the chance to fight very strong boxers.  GGG has its own style of boxing.  His fighting style is very original.  He literally crushes his opponent.  Power jab looks amazing.  GGG moves perfectly around the ring, trying to pin the opponent to the ropes. 
I don't think the weight class is the main issues to fight with top boxers, he already fight with Canelo Alvarez (the best middleweight class) but the thing he's lost. It will be different if he win from Alvarez, obviously he will be moved to Light heavyweight class.

Anyway Murata is one of good boxer in this class, if he lose then he shouldn't move to other class.
One of the toughest challenge or gamble for a certain boxer is that they would decide on stepping up on a certain or higher division which could really be that dangerous yet you know that there are fighters which are stronger but it doesnt mean that it cant be handled yet we know there are boxers who had able to attained several weight divisions.

For the best time being then staying up with the current division would be ideal and its true that Murata is really something good on this class so he shouldnt really be that confident.

It's not hard if he is not thinking of not risking his undefeated record. It's a challenge IMO, and being undefeated is not the main basis to consider if the fighter is the best, it's on how he challenges himself on fighting the best fighters in a division that he thinks he can still handle. Like Pacman, he is not undefeated and yet people think that he is better than Mayweather.
2796  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing]: Terence Crawford vs Shawn Porter - Nov. 20 on: November 15, 2021, 09:34:23 PM
Crawford is quick, while Porter is maybe strong but he is very predictable, therefore it's easy for Crawford to avoid the power punches of Porter and he will just counter him  to score. If this fight ended up in the judges scorecards, then most likely Crawford will go home as the winner.
In most cases, the quicker fighter in the ring gets the higher chance of winning.

Just like Manny Pacquiao, his quickness is his key to victory and he was able to become a legend becoming an 8th division champion and with his quickness, he was able to beat bigger opponents, and not only that, it looks very easy on his part.

Yes, as what they say in boxing as proven by Manny "speed kills". But I don't see Crawford as like Manny though in terms of speed, he just throw short burst of punch and that's it, maybe it's the timing and not really that speed. But against Porter who is super aggressive, it will be very evident.

Specially if he does this counterpunching and not allowing Porter to take charge like a bull. Crawford will be the matador, his moves very calculated.

He has to do that so he will not get tired in the fight, Porter is known to be a bull in the ring and he does not respect the power of his opponent. Look how Spence struggles against Porter, though Spence was the heavy favorite but he really work hard just to win in a split decision against Porter. Maybe it will be different in this fight, but Porter has proven he can go toe to toe against a champion and Crawford is not gonna be an exemption.
2797  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2022 NBA Season on: November 15, 2021, 08:54:38 PM
I was also surprised to see the Nuggets having it's own winning streak silently. After the MPJ injury and the Jokic incident, it seems that the team are now back on track. West is really very unpredictable, no one has the clear path at the top.
Maybe they already found their rhythm, that's the Nuggets that I'm cheering last season, they have a rough start and now they figure out how to win and show consistency. The Blazers have no match with the Nuggets and that is considering Murray and MPJ are not even playing.

I know Lillard did not play too, but this is 1 is to 2, so the Blazers still have the edge here, so no excuse for them Nuggets were really the better team and Jokic is just unstoppable who almost tallied a triple-double.
I see that too!  Smiley they are now playing like the way they were before, considering that MPJ and Murray are not there.

Jokic shows the leadership that this team is looking from him, a classic Joker who knows the best in how to distribute the ball so well. They are silently moving back on top again, number  3 now with the current standing from the Westside.

It's good to see that there's no real heavy favorite now, a lot of teams who really stepping up placing the fans to be more exited every time the game was set for their respective teams.

Therefore it's very important that Jokic will stay cool because he is now the target of their opponents so they can distract him. If Jokic is focused, he can be a double-double machine or even a triple-double machine because he is very smart, a big man with a good vision in the court, or let's just say an all-around player.

Now they are up for a challenge against the Mavericks who has a hot Luka with a good teammate KP, I'm sure this game is an exciting game to watch.
2798  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2020 Philippine Basketball Association betting discussion on: November 15, 2021, 08:24:14 PM

Well, let's see in the new conference if there's an improvement. Recovering from a serious injury may require time depending on the player and since Fajardo is the best player in the league, I'm optimistic that we will see an old Fajardo the soonest. We have imports by next conference so Fajardo would be able to relax a bit, I mean he does not need to carry his team anymore as the import will do the job, rebounding and blocking shots, I think that's easier compared to doing it and scoring at the same time.

Not only the import, but also with the surrounding players. A lot of options aside from those familiar faces, those two new players are also known to contribute. Manuel and Enciso are both scorers when plays are designed for them. And we also expect that import will step up and lead them.

I don't have any info yet about the import, but knowing SMB; they are very capable of paying / hiring good caliber import.

The chemistry and the type of leadership is what we need to wait from coach Leo's back up guy.
Vic Manuel is a very good player but for me, Arwind Satos fits better on the roster of San Miguel Beer Men than Manuel. For me it's a small nerfing of SMB in terms of their strat and teamwork. After all, we all know that Santos were just traded because he's in his 40s, on the otherhand, SMB want a strong player that is below the retirement age, and it happened to be Manuel. Let's see how they will do it.

We cannot tell who fits better until we see Manuel start playing with the SMB. However, in comparison, Arwind Santos has helped a lot the SMB team to be successful because he won championships many times with this team. Maybe let's just say that his time has come, accept his fate and probably also prepare for retirement soon as that's life in basketball.

Right now, SMB is still figuring out how to be more competitive to be a dominant team again.
2799  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing]: Casimero vs Butler ordered by WBO on: November 15, 2021, 01:20:33 PM
Beat Butler first then maybe they can start the talk with Inoue if he wants to risk his belt for a unification fight. We are all waiting for that big fight to happen because not only it will bring entertainment, it's also a chance for Casimero to prove that he is the best in his division.
There's already the talk with Inoue but it was postponed when this match of Butler came in and was pursued by WBO. I agree that Casimero has to beat Butler first.
So after this match, he can move on with anyone whom he wants to fight but there's the most high chance that it's going to be with Inoue since it has already been talked about by Casimero then the unexpected has happened that he has to fight first Butler.

Actually, before the postpone, Casimero and Inoue already have a scheduled fight last year but got canceled. This year, it was the 2nd negotiation already before WBO mandated a fight between Casimero and Butler.

Butler knows that Casimero is the one hyped on the match. He will do everything too to beat Quadro Alas to have some big fights too in the future.
Yes, there's already the talk about and a certain date that Casimero has told. But all of a sudden, there's this news from the WBO that he has to fight Butler first. We're all thinking that it's already going to be Inoue and Casimero at the end of this year but there's a quick change of expectancy from the fighter. I don't want to underestimate Butler although Casimero is really a strong fighter but no choice but to let this match happen for Casimero to move further.

I believed that the Casimero vs Inoue fight news before was just all hype, yes they have a verbal argument in the public, but that's it. We didn't see any from both sides really trying to make the fight. Sean Gibbons of MP (former handler of Casimero), was also all talk, while Bob Arum keeps silent.

So it was just an obvious ploy to make some noise specially for Casimero.

And now he has to go to his mandatory first before getting Inoue.

So what happened to the statement of Inoue?
Naoya Inoue responds to Casimero’s taunts: ‘Please organize a match’

If Inoue cannot make this happen then it's really true that Bob Arum just wants to play safe. Inoue is still his cash cow and as long as Inoue will not fight a high caliber fighter, he will be able to maintain his undefeated record.
2800  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: A positive evaluation of gambling. on: November 15, 2021, 12:33:26 PM
- Consistency/ Not quiting attitude; Always trying regardless of  previous results.
I think this is not a positive mentality for me, I guess we have to be realistic all the time.

If a gambler will not quit regardless of the previous result, I find it not helpful because what if you keep losing and you still have not learned or improved, continuing will only result in losing more money, and worst you'll become homeless. In gambling, the reason why I said we have to be realistic because this is not for everyone, in fact most people are losing money, without control it will only result to a bad future.

Learning how to quit is very important.
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