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2781  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [6000 GH] BTC Guild - PPS, PPLNS with TxFees+Orphans, Stratum+Vardiff ASIC Ready on: February 15, 2013, 09:54:58 PM
One stratum server was acting up earlier.  Some work is being done to distribute the BTC Guild servers across more datacenters to reduce the effectiveness of DDoS attacks.

The website may be inaccessible for a brief period.


EDIT/UPDATE:  New DNS entries made for the website.  If you're having problems connecting, try flushing your DNS cache (in windows, open a command prompt and type ipconfig /flushdns, then restart your browser and try again).
2782  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [60 GH/s] HHTT - User Selected Share Difficulty/PPS/Paid Stales on: February 15, 2013, 11:45:17 AM
Damn, block! Smiley

This is my second block on HHTT, which is my favourite backup pool from hopping. I'm minimg with two 7970, one of which is now on half-service. Usually 1,35GH/s, now 1.05GH/s.

In less than 10 month of mining (with a pause since middle of december to late January, during which I've just been hopping and chilling out), I've found a total of five blocks (I know of five, at least). Two with deepbit, two with HHTT, one with slush. It would have been 225BTC on solo mining. Moreover, and much to my dismay, at current prices it would have been about 4500€, versus about 1400€ I've made so far with pool mining. Damn! Sad

Don't feel too bad.  Your winning hash wouldn't have been valid anywhere but that pool.  If you had been solo, you may not have found a single block yet Smiley.
2783  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [3000 GH/s] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + Stratum on: February 15, 2013, 09:48:24 AM
learning through paid education, that is what I see here.

Last I heard, slush promoted Stratum heavily to users who aren't already using it.  Same as BTC Guild, and I'm sure almost every other pool that implemented Stratum or GBT.  There is absolutely no reason for a miner to still cling to the outdated getwork protocol.  Worst case scenario they should run the Stratum Proxy.  The only resistance I've seen from running native miners are people on Phoenix.  If you can run phoenix, you can run the proxy, it is not difficult (easier than setting up phoenix, thats for sure), and offers immediate performance benefits.

This isn't a case of pushing brand new technology too fast.  It's a case of miners actively refusing to modernize and update to a protocol that is better in every single way.
2784  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: The Future of Mining on: February 15, 2013, 12:48:18 AM
this "mega-miner" is now above 2.2 TH - unless he somehow has roughly 35 Avalon devices, I'm guessing that this is ASICminer now online and steadily ramping up production.

even without adding those 12 estimated TH to OOC's charts it looks like we should go past 10 million sometime in early march.

I suspect that it's possible that some of the people who got in on the second batch of Avalons might get theirs before march, (though I still haven't seen much evidence of batch one) but I highly doubt that any bfl orders placed after July 31 will arrive before the 10 million mark.

I'm expecting to receive my ASIC (which was ordered very late) on exactly my birthday Cool (an undisclosed day in May) And I'd be ecstatic if the difficulty were still below 100 million! (OOC's charts say we should be around 30 mil by that point, but those are long range forecasts and have a pretty high degree of uncertainty at this point)

@OOC: -btw, any idea when we might expect updated charts?

It has been confirmed this miner on BTC Guild is ASICMINER.  So far there have only been two high profile confirmations of any Avalon units (Bitcoin Foundation and Jeff Garzik).
2785  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: February 14, 2013, 11:38:52 PM
Hm, when i see the stats at the pool i see that the rate goes down some time and goes back higher some time. It looks to me like they put a board in, it doesnt work fully and they take it out to repair it or something. It would be interesting to know the real hashrate, not the average only.

I wonder if they really work on one board only at a time. Because if they do i wonder if it wouldnt be better to set up all boards first and put it into because most of the chips will work. Then start taking out single boards to repair some errors there.

But maybe i only misunderstand the stats. Maybe they dont take out a board and its only a variance in the hashrate that cant be changed. So that they work on one board at a time to put it in later.

At the end i think they will have the best plan to do this beforehand. Its only a bit strange to watch the stats.

While I do believe they are tweaking things on their end, you're also going to see hash rate variance.  Since they are mining at diff=1024 currently, you see a few % migration + or - over the course of an hour.  The variable difficulty target rate at BTC Guild normalizes to a less than 1% variance when measured for a 24 hour period for any miner of 1.2 GH/s or higher.
2786  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: February 14, 2013, 09:56:24 PM
pretty sure the stated plan is to balance the hashrate between a group of pools..

Well, that's my point. That's the plan, but it hasn't happened with the first 2 TH/s, so what, pray tell, will make it happen with the next 10TH/s? He's got a working pool and shareholders wanting an ROI, if BTCGuild works, there's no incentive to contact any other pool ops. Maybe he's working on it. No, let me rephrase that, hopefully he's working on it.

I just don't want this to be Deepbit circa Spring-Summer 2011 version 2. We had about ten threads a day on a conspiracy roll about how Deepbit was double-spending.

On the bright side, BTC Guild should not be in danger of hitting 51% even if all 12 TH/s is pointed at it.  The network pre-ASICMINER was ~25 TH/s.  With ASICMINER at 12, it would be 37 TH/s.  Pre-ASICMINER BTC Guild speed was 4 TH/s, which would put us at 16 out of 37 assuming all speed was pointed at and kept on BTC Guild.  While it's "close", it's still missing 3 TH/s (a relatively HUGE amount of hashing power).

It's 43%, which is a high amount, and certainly a number I'd prefer to stay under (too much of an attack target), but given the size of the network these days, it's far off from the time that Deepbit actually had >51%.
2787  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: February 14, 2013, 08:30:44 PM
How to become the biggest pool? Invite Asicminer: http://blockchain.info/pools Smiley

What i wonder is how it can be that the hashrate is rising so constantly. Is it because its an average of the last hour? I mean i think friedcat and crew will put the chips on the board and put it in the rack and that raises the hashingpower with a jump. So i wonder if the continuous raising is from the average hour or do the put the chips together in another way...

2.27TH/s now...

The hashrate rises so constantly because the Hall of Fame uses the average hash rate over the course of an hour.  ASICMINER has been putting on single units at a time (each of which runs multiple workers).  As the small update said, this is somewhat of a stress test.

I'm very happy my pool was chosen for the stress test, but I do share the above concerns and hope after the testing is done it is split among pools.  For stress testing, it makes sense to use a single pool so you have a consistent point of comparison when encountering problems.  I'm sure once the units are confirmed to work we'll see them move around and diversify.
2788  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [5000 GH] BTC Guild - PPS, PPLNS with TxFees+Orphans, Stratum+Vardiff ASIC Ready on: February 14, 2013, 07:39:20 PM
For those negative nancies like myself, would it be possible to start getting information like this put somewhere on the PPLNS Shift History page? I think it might get more people to stick with PPLNS through the phases of bad luck if they had some stats they could look at that verified the average yield of blocks per shift. Putting it simply, that information you just posted about the last 90 Matured sprints, I don't have access to (unless I were to track it myself and do the math myself, all of which I don't have time for).

I'm looking into it.  I actually calculated it by copy & pasting the table into excel and selecting the Block/Per Share columns to autosum/average Smiley.


EDIT/UPDATE:  I've added the last 100-matured shifts per-share rate above the PPLNS Shift History table.  This number is somewhat unreliable for comparison after a difficulty change.

Awesome!

Will this update every completed shift or is this just manual labor on your part?

It's automatically calculated every time a shift completes.
2789  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [5000 GH] BTC Guild - PPS, PPLNS with TxFees+Orphans, Stratum+Vardiff ASIC Ready on: February 14, 2013, 07:07:02 PM
For those negative nancies like myself, would it be possible to start getting information like this put somewhere on the PPLNS Shift History page? I think it might get more people to stick with PPLNS through the phases of bad luck if they had some stats they could look at that verified the average yield of blocks per shift. Putting it simply, that information you just posted about the last 90 Matured sprints, I don't have access to (unless I were to track it myself and do the math myself, all of which I don't have time for).

I'm looking into it.  I actually calculated it by copy & pasting the table into excel and selecting the Block/Per Share columns to autosum/average Smiley.


EDIT/UPDATE:  I've added the last 100-matured shifts per-share rate above the PPLNS Shift History table.  This number is somewhat unreliable for comparison after a difficulty change.
2790  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Isn't it about time for a major hack/disaster? on: February 14, 2013, 06:53:40 PM
Isn't it about time we hear news about a major hack/disaster that will smack the exchange rate back?  I mean we wouldn't want to break tradition, would we? Tongue

*runs off with a cold wallet file and blames it on someone named Sir Thomas Erick Trendon the Third*
2791  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [5000 GH] BTC Guild - PPS, PPLNS with TxFees+Orphans, Stratum+Vardiff ASIC Ready on: February 14, 2013, 06:41:13 PM
My shares per shift is going down coinciding with the overall pool hash going up and not by a negligable amount.

I am getting at least 40% less shares consistently than when the pool hash was between 3-3.5K. Sad

Also a month or two back where all miners had to restart their machines/proxy to reconnect I was getting +25% shares per shift consistently until miners reconnected.

Sorry but I may have to switch pools. I'd rather not as I have the least problems with your pool, but a little hassle is better than a 1-3% fee and a 40% share loss.

If I understand you correctly, that is the expected behaviour for PPLNS. As the hashrate increases, you get fewer shares per shift, but the same number of shares per day and the same number of coin per week.



Assuming my hash rate doesn't change, if I'm seeing higher than 100% PPS only 10% of the time and the rest of the time its around 50-60%, wouldn't I still be making more by just doing straight PPS?

i.e. in order for me to break even, I need block per shift to be at least 9, there are occasional strings of shifts that run 9+ for 10 or so shifts, but this maybe happens once a week. The majority of the time the block per shift is between 4-8 (outside of green). Again, assuming my hash rate doesn't change and I'm submitting the same number of shares, aren't I still making more BTC by doing PPS instead?

I know that all PPLNS is pretty much just luck, but if difficulty is constantly increasing, won't this luck just continue to get worse and worse as more ASICs are added to the fold?

PPLNS has paid more than PPS consistently over the last month.  The problem is you focus on bad shifts and don't acknowledge the good shifts (its human nature to dwell on the negatives).  If you were mining with two identical speed workers, one on PPS, one on PPLNS this month, you would have made somewhere around 110% PPS on the PPLNS worker.  Bad luck drags on longer than good luck, it's just how it works (due to bad luck requiring significant time to be considered bad luck).  But if you get one shift of 15 blocks, that makes up for 6 shifts of 8 blocks, or 3 shifts of 7 blocks.  And generally when you get a really big shift like that, you have a few others similarly above the average.

Examples with real data:
The last 90 MATURED shifts (you cannot include open shifts) have averaged 9.3 blocks per shift, AKA: 0.0000076339143/share (more than 100% PPS).
The last 190 matured shifts have averaged 9.48 blocks/shift, or 0.00000777397457/share, which is 2% above 0%-fee PPS.
2792  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: February 14, 2013, 06:08:12 PM
I'm making a note here, huge success.

It's hard to oooover-state my sat-is-faction.
2793  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: February 14, 2013, 05:37:45 PM
Guess I can't troll as much anymore Smiley.  Very honored to have BTC Guild picked by ASICMINER for their initial ramp up/testing.  I've made myself very available for them to help in the ramp up period.

ASICMINER now has the privilege of being the first to truly give Stratum a test as a next generation mining protocol, and the results have been fantastic from my end.
2794  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [5000 GH] BTC Guild - PPS, PPLNS with TxFees+Orphans, Stratum+Vardiff ASIC Ready on: February 14, 2013, 09:47:14 AM
User 67117 has now become the first connection on Stratum to reach a 4-digit variable difficulty.

[00:39:31] Increasing [obfuscated]'s difficulty to 1024!


What does that mean?  It means somebody mining at 1.5+ TH/s is using roughly as much bandwidth and server resources as a miner running a graphics card over Stratum, and LESS bandwidth than a graphics card using the outdated getwork protocol.
Sounds great!

Do you use the client.get_version command with your stratum implementation? It would be interesting to know what software they apparently run.

I've not added client.get_version yet.  It's one of those commands that offers fairly limited use.  I'll probably add it in the coming weeks as I continue to work on more diagnostic utilities in my Stratum code.  I do know that they are using a Stratum Proxy (most likely slush's proxy) to run all their workers through one connection.
2795  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [5000 GH] BTC Guild - PPS, PPLNS with TxFees+Orphans, Stratum+Vardiff ASIC Ready on: February 14, 2013, 06:27:53 AM
User 67117 has now become the first connection on Stratum to reach a 4-digit variable difficulty.

[00:39:31] Increasing [obfuscated]'s difficulty to 1024!


What does that mean?  It means somebody mining at 1.5+ TH/s is using roughly as much bandwidth and server resources as a miner running a graphics card over Stratum, and LESS bandwidth than a graphics card using the outdated getwork protocol.
2796  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [ANN] Stratum mining protocol - ASIC ready on: February 14, 2013, 06:20:44 AM
I've put my code on github in case anyone is interested:
https://github.com/fireduck64/SockThing

It seems to work but is certainly not done.  I need to add metrics, probably some job management and clean up the multi-connection same user story a bit.


Ahh, the Java, it burns!  Glad to see another fresh implementation of Stratum.  I'll try to take a deeper look at it tomorrow, but so far I must say it's one of the cleaner java-based pool servers I've seen in quite some time.
2797  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is someone TRYING to crash the bitcoin exchange, or just old miners cashing out? on: February 14, 2013, 06:17:27 AM
For weeks I've been waiting for an event like today.  A heavy crash of multiple dollars, a brief period of hesitation, and then a return back to the growth we had been seeing previously.  The June 2011 market would've taken this event and crashed down to rock bottom, but today we have enough support and confidence that the price was able to recover in very little time.
2798  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-02-12 Bitcoin on HuffPost Live tonight @5PMEST/22GMT on: February 14, 2013, 06:04:00 AM
This was actually a great interview/panel.  One of the few times I've seen an interview about Bitcoin bring up the black market/gambling/tax evasion aspects without dwelling on them.  So many of the articles/videos tend to focus on the "dark side" of Bitcoin, completely ignoring that every currency in the world is used for gambling, tax evasion, and drug trade.  Bitcoin can do all that, and SO MUCH MORE!  It was great to watch, and I hope future coverage can keep the positive aspects at the forefront of the discussion like this video.
2799  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [5000 GH] BTC Guild - PPS, PPLNS with TxFees+Orphans, Stratum+Vardiff ASIC Ready on: February 14, 2013, 06:01:46 AM
Higher payouts are a factor of MASSIVE luck today Smiley.  But with this user in the pool, it should help shrink the daily variance a bit.
2800  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [5000 GH] BTC Guild - PPS, PPLNS with TxFees+Orphans, Stratum+Vardiff ASIC Ready on: February 14, 2013, 05:54:49 AM
Does the datacenter filter for you or blackhole and then change ip?
If filter... Is it costing you a lot?

It's a mix of both.  They can filter some attacks, while others are blackholes.  It's one of the reasons my colocated servers there run with virtualization, it makes it very easy to migrate the services over different IPs when blackholes are required.  I've actually got two extra subnets already reserved at the DC for my use that I can switch to if an attack ever targeted my current subnet ranges.
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