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27921  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 16, 2014, 09:49:37 AM
Im seriously thinking about cashing out and then rebuying with the bleeding stops. I truly believe it will go at least 50 dollars lower than it is now, but most of the time I have done that in the past, i got burned, glad i only sold a tiny bit and not the whole ball of wax... My wife told me to just leave them in cold storage, its not like I have a ton, but what i have now could put a nice down payment on a house or buy a very nice luxury car... Ive already lost 20k or so on paper the last couple days,  I just dont have the blood pressure to take this..

But, like Ive said before, Im in it for the long haul and need to remember that im betting on the future years down the road, not weeks or months.. Ill probably just hold, and ill come back here crying saying I should have sold... If I sold and it it dive, I would for sure buy back in.... but fuck it.. Ill just hodl....


YEAH>>>> The upcoming "crash" is NOT certain enough for me, either... all we have is a bunch of momentum... there is no real meaningful negative news..  and if the price stagnates, then it just raises your blood pressure trying to figure out when to get back in exactly.. .. including the transaction fees on both ends... HODL seems to be the best policy in times like these... and then buy some more.. even though it may raise your BTC average price (depending upon when you first got in), it would probably be good to buy some and accumulate a little more...
27922  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 16, 2014, 09:35:35 AM

My average cost per BTC is about $610, including transactional fees..

That's a lot more than I thought. You started to buy all the way up to 1200?

I first started at $1200 on local bitcoin's in November 2013.  My first purchase was 1.24BTC for about $1500... something like that.  How about you?  What's your average BTC costs and your duration for being in the BTC game? 

10BTC for $9.70


Is that your total holdings?  10BTC?

noI played around with it a little and forgot about it. thrn found wallet with 2 when BTC=$120 almost all in altcoins and exchange fee shares now. about 2.5BTC in coins and another 1.5 in cold wallet so small time


Definitely there could be opportunities to stock up... especially when you found out about it at such a low price; however, it is difficult to recognize that there is going to be exponential price growth.

It is nearly pure speculation for me, regarding what i would have done when the price was so low.... had I known about it.... Accordingly, I just keep accumulating based on information that I currently have b/c compared with other investments, BTC seems to continue to have a very decent upside potential.

Are you considering acquiring some more coins...?   you could do it slowly.. like $50 a week or something like that (or whatever is in your means to put aside), it would probably be a good investment.






27923  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 16, 2014, 02:37:22 AM

My average cost per BTC is about $610, including transactional fees..

That's a lot more than I thought. You started to buy all the way up to 1200?

I first started at $1200 on local bitcoin's in November 2013.  My first purchase was 1.24BTC for about $1500... something like that.  How about you?  What's your average BTC costs and your duration for being in the BTC game? 

10BTC for $9.70


Is that your total holdings?  10BTC?
27924  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 16, 2014, 12:05:57 AM

My average cost per BTC is about $610, including transactional fees..

That's a lot more than I thought. You started to buy all the way up to 1200?

I first started at $1200 on local bitcoin's in November 2013.  My first purchase was 1.24BTC for about $1500... something like that.  How about you?  What's your average BTC costs and your duration for being in the BTC game? 
27925  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 15, 2014, 11:54:48 PM
Well done idiots. Another crash. Is everybody happy now or what? 90 dollars wasn't enough yet? Till what point do we have to crash for people to say ok this is enough?


But that's not where we are going.
Bitcoin is over. It is dead. You still don't get it? Everyone is getting out.

I know you're just trolling, but there's only two days between the two posts. Some consistency, maybe?

 Lol. His spirit got sooo terribly demolished by the depraved zero-integrity flagrant book-talking bear/bull trolls around this community that he just gave in at the end and simply does exactly as they do, since then xD

 Poor birddoggie.

Yep!!!   Birddoggie... or doggiebird... is currently moping his feathered ass off...   the little fucker...   Cheesy Cheesy
27926  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 15, 2014, 11:44:55 PM
I think that this will be the last chance to get coins at < $500!  Smiley  

but you always think that is the last chance, nothing new. let me guess this time you really feel it ?

One of these days I will be right.  Then I can say "I told you so."  Women love doing that.  Wink

I love doing that as well, in fact soon I will tell you that  Cheesy

Alrighty then.  We will see who has bragging rights.   Grin

I know it is not your opinion, it is what Risto filled in your mind, you don't have an opinion of your own like many here.... you will now tell me that you really do, but if we isolate you from the forum for a month and ask you the same question you will have no idea...


I could not have said this better myself. To often people hear something from one person, latch on and hold it as gospel. Think for yourself people. Do your own research. The reason why we as a society are so controlled by our governments is because people don't think for themselves, they don't stand for what they believe in.

But what if a person knows that they are not wise when it comes to investments?  Shouldn't they get advice from someone who is successful?

It seems foolish to not learn from those that are good at something.  Just sayin.



Bitchick:   What is the approximate average price per BTC of yours and/or your husband's holdings, if you do NOT mind me asking?  You indicated that you got started in about early to mid 2013 and you have continue to buy as your cash comes in. 

My average cost per BTC is about $610, including transactional fees.. I made a few mistakes, in getting too excited a few times with some of my cash to buy more BTC when I should have waited a little bit... but anyhow, I am NOT worried atm about my average cost per btc or my holdings or the future success of BTC, yet I understand that the behavior of people will change in fairly drastic ways depending upon how far they are in the red or black and whether or NOT they are sufficiently diversified in other investments and whether or NOT they are leveraged or over-extended in any significant ways...

Our first coins were purchased right before the run at about $50 but unfortunately we did not buy much.  We were just dabbling in it for the "fun of it" and risked very little.  This was only a week or two before the crazy rally in April.  We were shocked at how fast the price increase and our only regret then was not buying more sooner!  Wink  

But now we are well over our $50 average at about $200 or so because we had some extra cash to throw in this year.  Thankfully we are in the black though.   It is still painful to sell any coins knowing we paid more for them at one point or another!    Sad  There is always the "would have, should have and could have" thoughts going on in our minds.  I think this happens no matter what the entry point is, unless someone just lucked out and bought all their coins at a point in which the price took off to never return again.


Thanks for your explanation. 

There are a variety of ways to engage in accounting.... and yes, I agree with the inference of your response that it would be better to wait sufficiently long before selling any coins until each of them is worth more than the price of any one of them that you bought.  To ensure that, then you would have to make sure that you are NOT at all over extended and can hold a sufficiently long period of time.

NONETHELESS, for my personal accounting and psychological considerations, I prefer to think about my average price per btc (including transactional costs) in calculating whether I am ahead or behind and for the sake of whether I made or lost money at the time of any sale, if I were to need to perform any sale.  Actually, since i have been in the red for a large amount of the time for my BTC holding history, whenever I had made any transaction with bitcoin such as a sale (in order to purchase some kind of goods or services), I replace my BTC right away with at least the equivalent amount.. that way the sale is purely for the purpose of transacting.
27927  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 15, 2014, 11:35:19 PM
Btw, are you guys aware that here in Philippines, Bitcoin can now be used to pay our bills through a certain company? Credit card bills, Electricity bills, Water bills, Internet etc. And the gov't doesn't give a fck at all. I don't even know if they are aware of Bitcoin.


How much are the administrative / transaction fees for such?  A certain percentage?
27928  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 15, 2014, 09:53:04 PM
I also have some respect for Risto, but i'm asking myself why did he waste 1 million euros (or 600k not sure of the figure) over a castle when he is so certain of bitcoin exponential trendline.. Roll Eyes


Maybe he is the Guru of the Utlra-bulls Cult Grin




He got anxious and emotional - which anyone could when they have an opportunity to convert to tangible assets. 

a kind of decent part of human nature.  to see the human and emotional side.
27929  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 15, 2014, 09:41:20 PM
schooled by a girl, its not any girl its bitchick, but c'mon, this is pathetic, you guys are saying "don't listen to anyone, think for yourself and sell after a ~20% drop, because I know its going lower"

you guys really really suck at this.
itt we learn adamstgBit thinks women are less intelligent than men.

its a joke. but the fact remains. schooled by a girl!

it's funny b/c it is made in good faith and it merely plays on stereotypical ideas... which can be funny so long as people do NOT get too PC or begin to believe that modern concepts of equality, et al. are being undermined in making those kinds of references.


I think the reality is that in these technical spaces, there are probably a small number of women... maybe less than 10%... maybe a poll would be good in this regard... just for fun... or just for shits and giggles...  Wink
27930  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 15, 2014, 09:35:04 PM
I think that this will be the last chance to get coins at < $500!  Smiley  

but you always think that is the last chance, nothing new. let me guess this time you really feel it ?

One of these days I will be right.  Then I can say "I told you so."  Women love doing that.  Wink

I love doing that as well, in fact soon I will tell you that  Cheesy

Alrighty then.  We will see who has bragging rights.   Grin

I know it is not your opinion, it is what Risto filled in your mind, you don't have an opinion of your own like many here.... you will now tell me that you really do, but if we isolate you from the forum for a month and ask you the same question you will have no idea...


I could not have said this better myself. To often people hear something from one person, latch on and hold it as gospel. Think for yourself people. Do your own research. The reason why we as a society are so controlled by our governments is because people don't think for themselves, they don't stand for what they believe in.

But what if a person knows that they are not wise when it comes to investments?  Shouldn't they get advice from someone who is successful?

It seems foolish to not learn from those that are good at something.  Just sayin.



Bitchick:   What is the approximate average price per BTC of yours and/or your husband's holdings, if you do NOT mind me asking?  You indicated that you got started in about early to mid 2013 and you have continue to buy as your cash comes in. 

My average cost per BTC is about $610, including transactional fees.. I made a few mistakes, in getting too excited a few times with some of my cash to buy more BTC when I should have waited a little bit... but anyhow, I am NOT worried atm about my average cost per btc or my holdings or the future success of BTC, yet I understand that the behavior of people will change in fairly drastic ways depending upon how far they are in the red or black and whether or NOT they are sufficiently diversified in other investments and whether or NOT they are leveraged or over-extended in any significant ways...
27931  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 15, 2014, 09:25:03 PM
I think that this will be the last chance to get coins at < $500!  Smiley  

but you always think that is the last chance, nothing new. let me guess this time you really feel it ?

One of these days I will be right.  Then I can say "I told you so."  Women love doing that.  Wink


Yeah....  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy  Then whine about it for years and years and years...  Cheesy  Funny how that is.   Grin
27932  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 15, 2014, 09:16:01 PM
2-Or will it follow the technicals and go even lower but recover in a long and slow period ?

I will not rule out your very bearish chart, but it does not look very technical. There are very strong support levels/trendlines to break, even a lot more stronger than the 440,00 support, so this is very a premature scenario. It's the contrarian extreme to delusional bull scenarios

Edit: Post deleted.

Mmitech deletes a lot of his posts b/c he does NOT want to lock into any of his all over the place and ever changing theories
27933  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 15, 2014, 08:58:32 PM
Well I put some more money where my mouth is. I just put bought 2 coins on Coinbase for $491/each. My question is is there a cheaper place to buy for people in US?

I also have a Kraken account but it restricts $ purchase because I'm in Ohio Huh

I applied for a Circle account a couple months back and I'm still waiting for my "invitation"  Huh

Is there a "best" or better exchange to trade/buy BTC or should I just stick to Coinbase?


I have the same scenario.. Coinbase currently and waiting Circle.. My circle invitation request was May 27, 2014... so waiting and waiting... maybe cheaper.. at least that is what they claim.. for the moment...

otherwise maybe meet-ups or localbitcoins... even though most of the time, local bitcoins is more... but will depend upon individuals and location, too...




27934  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 15, 2014, 08:55:19 PM
There's a simple question: If over the course of a couple weeks, supply (BTC) increases and demand (USD) decreases, would you have us not adjust prices because that would be "manipulation"?

Also, if manipulation is so easy, why aren't the Winklevosses or other large holders who are no longer accumulating doing their own manipulation upwards?

It's really getting pathetic, guys.

Your post,
Like pissing into the wind of stupidity.
Too bad,
It is you who will get wet.

(sorry for the wrong syllable count and lack of seasonal reference Tongue)

Is this a Haiku war?     Cheesy
27935  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 15, 2014, 08:31:47 PM
bitcoin game over!
do NOT buy bitcoin, bitcoin is going to nowhere but down! buy more lose more! cut loose now!

YES WE KNOW YOU ARE A BIG FAN OF THE MOVIE FOOTLOOSE!

Please don't quote him.

Even deliberate selling to move prices down requires coins. Sellers must exhaust soon.


I agree that they gotta run out of coins.... .unless some of the coins are fake....   

fuckers!!!!!
27936  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 15, 2014, 08:19:50 PM

I would say that Amazon would love to enable BTC, but TPTB doesn´t let this happen.


My theory is that if Amazon accepts BTC, they won't simply be plumbing Coinbase into their existing system, they will be wanting to extract every last $ and BTC they can so we'll see something extremely vertical possibly up to and including an Amazon exchange. Make no mistake, Amazon and Ebay/Paypal is the next big tech company battle getting ready to face-off. If Amazon can find a way to use BTC to gut Paypal, it'll happen.

That does NOT necessarily mean the adoption of BTC... Amazon is so huge that they would creatively be able to manipulate some kind of centralized Amazon coin while attempting to appear to be equivalent and/or superior to BTC... NO?
27937  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 15, 2014, 11:16:42 AM
DUMP APPEARS IMMINENT... ETHEREUM JUST TRANSFERRED 1237 COINS TO THEIR TRADING WALLET.

https://blockchain.info/address/36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2?filter=1

See... same wallet they sent to two other times. Each time right before a collapse. WATCH OUT!!!!

Does NOT add up... why would they time their sales to attempt to tank bitcoin.. ?  

Either they are making a bigger secondary bet... tank the price knowing you can buy back on the fall (and you'd know where the fall is going)... or they are goofs... or pure coincidence.

This keeps happening though and corresponds more or less with the drops. Ergo, certainly yet another thing to watch for.

Oh, and also... they might be looking to stir the trust in BTC a bit to gain market share... I mean, it's an expensive way to do it because this is also their fundraising round, but we don't know all of the details of their fundraising.


You are building a house of cards upon inferences upon inferences upon inferences... one card falls and the whole house falls... in other words, you theory does NOT hold up too well.. NOT Likely...
27938  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 15, 2014, 11:12:15 AM
DUMP APPEARS IMMINENT... ETHEREUM JUST TRANSFERRED 1237 COINS TO THEIR TRADING WALLET.

https://blockchain.info/address/36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2?filter=1

See... same wallet they sent to two other times. Each time right before a collapse. WATCH OUT!!!!
My fucking god...they still really have 12 millions in their wallet and all they have done was selling 1.3m and it resulted into crash to 500$.
Fuck that..

eth ain't dumping its those getting loans repaid dumping

We don't know for sure that they are dumping, but it is certainly a rational explanation for the fall... especially if they are targeting TA triggers and have a side bet in another wallet to catch the fall (maybe that is too dark a view of the world).

I think they are dumping because they keep sending to the same wallet and then the transactions subsequent from that wallet are large loads... not in smaller to mid-size chunks like I'd expect. Can I prove that? No. Is it spooky that they are moving more coins. Absolutely!!

Also, at the very least, even if they are trading off exchange and being respectful to the ecology of Bitcoin, we don't know who they are selling it to and whether or not those parties are interested in dumping. For instance, who is likely to be able to buy large chunks of coins if they aren't just dumping them? Wall Street players... rewind theory about setting of TA triggers and cashing in with a heftier bet at the bottom.

Too conspiratorial.  Does NOT compute.    Tongue
27939  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 15, 2014, 10:56:44 AM
DUMP APPEARS IMMINENT... ETHEREUM JUST TRANSFERRED 1237 COINS TO THEIR TRADING WALLET.

https://blockchain.info/address/36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2?filter=1

See... same wallet they sent to two other times. Each time right before a collapse. WATCH OUT!!!!

Does NOT add up... why would they time their sales to attempt to tank bitcoin.. ? 
27940  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 15, 2014, 10:50:46 AM
Fucking sheep. These dumpers right now are such idiots.

Could you please reply to my previous posts, if not you are basically admitting to being a gay baby troll living at home with his sheep mummy.

Shroomie .. doggie bird may have you on ignore.. but he claims to have bought back in yesterday at just under $500.
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