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281  Economy / Securities / Re: New IPO [GLBSE] [Bakewell] - Finally, a transparent investment that will grow! on: September 05, 2012, 04:10:32 AM
I personally think midrange gaming rigs will preserve the most value and allow for the quickest resale.
I lean toward gaming rigs because in the plan the gpu's are only to provide an income while we wait for asic.
We need to retain as much value as possible in the resale to place the second order.

This seemed counter-intuitive at first, but makes good sense. The whole point is to use them as a stop-gap and try to get going again after as fast as possible.
282  Economy / Securities / Re: New IPO [GLBSE] [Bakewell] - Finally, a transparent investment that will grow! on: September 05, 2012, 01:07:47 AM
IPO: The biggest flaw that I haven't seen addressed is that there's no incentive to get in early. No discount, no dividend, nothing. As well anyone who doesn't want to wait can sell into your wall at 0.125, or into anyone else's wall at 0.12500001 which is also below your wall. The laws of economics make your security a hard sell right now.

That being said, you have a great plan for what to do after all the shares are sold; you have a solid start on GPUs that can be resold later, and a clear plan to transition into ASIC as available.

My biggest complaint is the 20% "Founders Stake." While I realize that you're putting capital and time forward to setup, manage, and run the IPO, inventory, insurance, and growth. Your plan ends up with you owning $12,000 worth of ASIC for free. Assuming 50x difficulty and 25 BTC block reward you may end up with 600 BTC annually. If the rig runs at 1.5KW and you pay $0.15 USD for your electricity you stand to make $500 USD monthly if bitcoins trade at $10/BTC (Obviously everything would be in local currency though).

Pool: I'd suggest P2Pool with at least some of the GPUs, for large enough miners it provides low variance and comes with zero fees. BFL's FPGAs have been known to not play well with P2Pool, but hopefully this won't be a problem with the new generation of products.

Caveat emptor: The block reward is halving soon and the difficulty is going to shoot up when ASICs come out, both predicted before year's end. This isn't something the security operator can control, but it's something to be aware of.

Also, while you're paying 0.15 to get 20MH/s post-ASIC, dividends are based on half that. That will cause the immediate returns seen by investors to look smaller.
283  Other / Off-topic / Re: [Announcement] Butterfly Labs on: September 05, 2012, 12:14:57 AM
Ok... so again, what information has he given out that we haven't?

Sorry, but a claim to a prototype and an explanation on how he came to have a prototype does not constitute additional information and definitely not WAY more information.

With regards to point 2, though, I had thought that it would be self evident in the announcement.  We have developed our own IP, it's not licensed from anyone and we have not hired our any of our work, it's all 100% original and not subject to potential lawsuits or potential licensing issues.
Well, as far as prototypes go, do you have any silicon back yet that's testable on your end? Even a rough mock-up just for testing the wafer layout. Let us know what the specs on that are and if/how they're expected to change for production items.
284  Other / Off-topic / Re: [Announcement] Butterfly Labs on: September 05, 2012, 12:13:19 AM
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BFL- Can you give us some idea of when we are likely to see an update?  It is less than 4 weeks until October, when you have previosuly stated that you would be shipping the first ASIC units.  Are you looking at early, mid or late Oct?  Are you still on track?  Some idea would be nice at this stage.

I would love to give you a hard time frame, but I don't want to be caught in a situation where people quote back and say "You said you'd do BBB on YYY date" when there are many issues that might make that date change that are out of my control.  But I have already been in the planning stages of showing something off fairly soon, but no I'm not committing to a specific date as of yet.  But no, we won't be shipping on the 1st of October - it's late October or early November depending on stock levels come late October.

Things are looking really good though, we just shipped off a metric bucketload of FPGA singles today and we are almost caught up on that front, so our production facility is getting into nice shape and we will be able to crank out lots of ASIC units as well, so things are looking good and are on track right now.
If it's the difference between October and November ship dates, can I just request sooner rather than later?

Also, as long as pre-orders have been open, it'd be nice to see BFL shipping before competitors  Cool
285  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: http://www.pyramining.com/ - Mining Company on: September 03, 2012, 02:19:19 AM
I like the new idea too.

I'm wondering though... I don't see any contact information. Is there a reason for this? Am I just missing something? I have only deposited a small amount because of this concern.
My guess is that he prefers to use the forums. I believe there is a link from site to here.
286  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] GERBITIN.PYRA investing in pyramining.com on: September 02, 2012, 02:01:58 AM
Now it works :-)
Congrats. Hopefully you get more interest for the IPO than this thread did. I feel like you've just been answering all my questions. Though you've certainly been a good sport about that.

Good Luck!
287  Economy / Securities / Re: TYGRR.BOND-PI 1 BTC face 100% Insured Pirate Bonds BTCST on: September 02, 2012, 02:00:37 AM
looks like your second week of interest now,
Umm no. Go read the contract. I do not think I'm obligated to pay the first week but I will anyway cuz I said I would.
From what I've seen of pirate's posts, getting interest from him isn't a rock solid bet. That being said, passing on whatever he gets plus the respective interest (minus the stated cut per week) would be a good show (I am writing this entirely without regard to the contract, just good show).
288  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: http://www.pyramining.com/ - Mining Company on: September 02, 2012, 01:00:30 AM
What impact will release of ASICs have on pyramining? Will you continue to purchase FPGAs or switch to ASICs?

Actually I don't see ASICs anywhere, therefore all funds are going into FPGA. We'll buy ASICs when we will see a real one. Unless there will be more efficient FPGAs, of course.

It would be stupid sticking on current FPGA units when there is something better available. *WHEN* there will be something better available.
Are you one of the mining farms using some source of cheap or free electricity? Some I know are on hydroelectric or solar and can mine even on GPUs for free. In that case it's less worry since electricity costs are negated, speed of any sort all weighs in the same.
289  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] Not afraid of risk? Get up to 1% daily! - OBSI.HRPT on: September 02, 2012, 12:17:34 AM
Today's daily coupon has been paid @ 1% of IPO price.

Thank you.
I wonder if it's easier for Obsi to pay out 1% every day so he can just copy and paste the message xD No complaints by any means though.
290  Economy / Securities / Re: (GLBSE) TYGRR.BOND-P 4.85% weekly uninsured pass though bond to BTCST on: September 02, 2012, 12:12:28 AM
Fresh quotes from IRC
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@pirateat40 | The PPT that didn't' comply will have a long road ahead.  Those that contacted me ahead of time "Friday" are clear.
@pirateat40 | I'm wanted to speak for awhile now, but I someone stole my ship.

@pirateat40 | Finally things are progressing and I've returned to my boat.
@pirateat40 | It's going to get better to some, I promise.     
@pirateat40 | That's all for now, back to your regularly scheduled trolling.         

For all the noise about Goat not complying, afaik Brendio (who runs BIB.PIRATE and FOO.PPPPT) is still on vacation and my not even have any idea about what's going on (I've at least not heard from him in the threads for either security).

Just an excuse to strong-arm the god-emperor who can do no wrong, Goat. (That should get peanut_n going)
(I haven't held any BOND-P since before the mess, I do hold some FOO.PPPPT though).
291  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: http://www.pyramining.com/ - Mining Company on: September 01, 2012, 04:10:07 PM
I can't deny you to post here links because it has not been stated when the thread was open, but nothing prevents me to write a script that invalidates links posted here when they are just an advertisement, without any other useful content.
Aggressive but cooool! I guess certain people don't even read the thread before posting their links...>.<
I was already thinking this could be the next step. I'd say that's pretty tame. Deactivating their accounts for spamming this forum in the wrong places, that would be aggressive. They're not in this thread for content or anything of the sort, they're here to spam with links where it's just relevant enough to qualify as NotSpamTM.

Might these posts still qualify if they're no longer part of the thread's conversation? At which point they could be reported in good faith and hopefully removed. I'm sure none of them are posting in good faith at this point.

tl;dr; - They're obviously not participating in discussion about pyramining, they're spamming with links. Which is both against forum and pyramining rules.

Hey everyone, try doing it this way:
To sign up on pyramining under me click here. Or pm me for a fresh link.
292  Other / Off-topic / Re: [Announcement] Butterfly Labs on: September 01, 2012, 04:17:50 AM
For the sake of clarity. A pool operator working at the one place currently developing ASICs. And it would certainly be unfair to let his pool suddenly have a huge advantage by switching to ASICs first.
Well, there is no way of knowing.  BFL could simply open up there own pool as well (and/or probably has one (for testing rigs - heh)).

Same happens in real life anyway.  Are we to fault people that own two different companies that can work together?  If anything, I am jealous.
As much as anyone he was an industry expert, mining is what he was working on before he worked with BFL. He was also involved with the community so I expect that BFL were hoping to buy a little goodwill as well, or at least some insight. He also said he worked next door previously. So from everything I know it sounds like a great fit, and that it should be working well for all parties involved. I can't fault anyone for that.

I just felt like giving him a hard time  Roll Eyes
293  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: GLBSE 2.0 open for testing on: September 01, 2012, 04:11:32 AM
I would be very disappointed if that crap worked on GLBSE, I'm glad to see no one posted anything but annoyance at the spam. (Also, maybe there's a use for a "Report spam" Button?)

There are definitely things that can be done to improve security, but as with any patch Nefario has to be careful to make sure any patch he applies doesn't introduce a security vulnerability, even if it's a security patch. During/after that he has to make sure that the site remains functional; a patch that helps keep other people from hijacking your session may make it harder for you to use your session, which would certainly annoy a great many users.

I'm sure he's hard at work on something, though I can't say for sure what (It may still be features other than security enhancements, there are plenty of people yelling for those too)
294  Economy / Securities / Re: (GLBSE) TYGRR.BOND-P 4.85% weekly uninsured pass though bond to BTCST on: September 01, 2012, 03:58:55 AM
Quite amusing xD
295  Other / Off-topic / Re: [Announcement] Butterfly Labs on: September 01, 2012, 03:56:23 AM
Probably, but there are competitive issues that outweigh that at the moment.
For the sake of clarity. A pool operator working at the one place currently developing ASICs. And it would certainly be unfair to let his pool suddenly have a huge advantage by switching to ASICs first.
296  Economy / Securities / Re: (GLBSE) TYGRR.BOND-P 4.85% weekly uninsured pass though bond to BTCST on: August 31, 2012, 05:34:28 PM
why is the price going up again? did I miss something?

Supposedly a modest number of accounts (22 at the moment, claims a script on IRC) have been paid something back.  It's not very clear from where I'm sitting, but there seems to be some renewed hope out there that the debt isn't totally worthless.
Any word on how much is being paid back? I assume in full at this point (if everyone's gettining excited about it)?

I wouldn't get your hopes up, there's not even any confirmation anyone has been paid back yet. The only person who has said anyone has been paid back is Pirate. And his word is worthless since he has broken it several times in the past few weeks.
I was figuring that other people had confirmed on irc that they had received full (at least face value) on their deposits.
297  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] Pirate Pass Through Bonds! on: August 31, 2012, 05:09:15 PM
What will happen if the insurance is paid and P' eventually does pay out , lets say in 2 weeks?
Will there be any way to pay the difference?


No.

I have had this question already and considered it.  There are many reasons why the answer is "no" and not many why it should or could be yes.  When I was pondering this issue again today I did think that you might be able to provide evidence from a GLBSE account that you were subject of the buy-back, but normally insurances don't pay out twice.  Also, if P does eventually pay out, it might not be at full 1.28 value so any payment would be discretionary.  Worth checking if/when it happens.

This is why I (and I'm sure others) trust you, you worry about doing right by your investors and don't want to screw anyone. Here's hoping you find a good solution though
298  Economy / Securities / Re: (GLBSE) TYGRR.BOND-P 4.85% weekly uninsured pass though bond to BTCST on: August 31, 2012, 05:03:54 PM
why is the price going up again? did I miss something?

Supposedly a modest number of accounts (22 at the moment, claims a script on IRC) have been paid something back.  It's not very clear from where I'm sitting, but there seems to be some renewed hope out there that the debt isn't totally worthless.
Any word on how much is being paid back? I assume in full at this point (if everyone's gettining excited about it)?
299  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: http://www.pyramining.com/ - Mining Company on: August 31, 2012, 04:39:53 PM
Thanks for the input and thread changes pyramining, hopefully this thread cleans up on it's own. If it doesn't you might just be able to lock recreate this thread, pull over any important posts manually and resuming business as usual.

For other people worrying about putting links in your sigs (or hell, even one at the end of a useful post) I'd suggest it, like a tip address, if you like the post, support the poster.

I like the idea for the new referral links. What about one of the revenue generating CAPTCHAs that everyone hates doing? Make a little cash for the site and you can get extra (three or four instead of one or two, or a higher limit on current ones)?
300  Economy / Securities / Re: Unrealistic orders on GLBSE on: August 31, 2012, 04:20:53 PM
Plenty of threads on this already, including more than a couple posts in the GLBSE features thread created by Nefario. There are usually more complains about the bid for 100,000 shares for 0.00000001 People place shit orders and then the wonderful graph that should mean something doesn't all of the sudden.
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