I meant 1800$ for single-GPU or 2700$ for dual, how can it be a 30% mark up vs single parts?
do businesses typically talk about their expenses and markup? ask the guy that runs bitcoin rig how much his machines cost. |
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Why should the user need to interact with the mining computer? Most good mining setups I see just plug in and turn on and autostart the mining software. And using windows 7 is just adding to your expenses. Not a very good business strategy, imo.
only reason the user has to interact with the machine is to put their info in for the mining pool they are using or their own bitcoin server. after that they can start automatically on after restart. Listen, this service is for people that have never made a computer, don't know how linux works and just learned about Bitcoin on TV and want to know how they can get in on it simply. Yes I'm making a profit. This is a business. If you know how to make a computer and assemble it on your own then of course its cheaper to buy the parts and make it yourself. The same can be said for Dell or HP machines, or anything else for that matter. If on the other hand you have never built a computer before, here I am, with a product that just works without any hassle. www.bc-mining.com |
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I'd actually recommend a 16 gig SSD (Kingston). I've put them in my mining rigs, they're only $50 (no tax/shipping) on Amazon. Assuming you're building these as linux boxes, it's more than enough space, almost no power consumption, and the machine goes from off to the Ubuntu desktop in about 8 seconds (less if you use QuickBoot in the BIOS).
they are running windows 7 for end user ease of use. literally just plug them in and click and icon on the desktop and you are mining without messing with any command lines. Like Apple products, my machines are high quality and "just work". |
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30GB SSD is a waste of money.... a cheapo 40$ Free shipping 500GB HDD will do great
What is the speed gain on bootup, anyway? from 20 to 18 secs? 1KW on the single GPU system is a waste
Yep, and you could drive 2x 5970 mildly overclocked safely with a good 850W. Dunno about 6990 though... How is this only a 30% markup?
My guess is: 6990 retail: $699 Dual GPU: $2698 Single GPU: $2798 diff = $900, which is ~28.5% above $699... so putting it clearly, 30% markup on top of retail. Just my 2 bitcents I'm selling quality machines. The SSD improves boot times over an HDD and has no moving parts to fail, reducing the likelihood of downtime. The power supply is high efficiency and leaves enough headroom for the user to overclock to their hearts desire. The machines actually produce a little over the 600mhash and 1.2 ghash advertised stock but i figured it would be better to round down then round up. |
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cost of generating bitcoins goes up to the point that mining is no longer profitable, miners shut off their machines, fewer bitcoins for trade on Mt. Gox, scarcity makes value spike, miners turn machines back on. Its more or less self regulating. As long as your machine kicks out the same hash rate it should more or less generate the same revenue.
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ok, more detailed specs are up. I assumed all most people would care about is the hash rate but that's clearly not the case. Sorry for any confusion.
Would anyone be interested in lower end mining machines? If there's an interest we may expand the product line.
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working on detailed system specs now. should be updated in a bit.
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Seriously people, how is my service any different then bitcoin rigs except that its cheaper because I offer free shipping? Why is everyone hell bent on sinking my ship before it sets sail instead of offering constructive advice to a member of the community?
And the plan is to accept bitcoins as payment as well. we should roll that out in a few days if this hostility doesn't kill the service first.
I would recommend listing full specs of those rigs. thank you for the advice sir. I will get right on that. |
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LFGTFY - I edited it to say "of comparable systems". Does that sufficiently address the issue?
nster - I'm providing a service to to people that don't know how or don't want to build their own machines. You simply have to plug it in and you're good to go. You could buy the parts to build a car cheaper then buying the premade car, does that make TOYOTA a sleezy company?
I'm saying I may be even ready to do it as well (ie: I build it, take a fee, and ship it ready to be used) but a 130% markup, or 1000$ for the lowest end model is huge... if you factor in the case, its still an 850$ mark up and still over 110% more (ie: more than double the price) I assure you our systems cost more then that to build. our markup is closer to 30%, WELL below normal retail markup of 80-120% |
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Seriously people, how is my service any different then bitcoin rigs except that its cheaper because I offer free shipping? Why is everyone hell bent on sinking my ship before it sets sail instead of offering constructive advice to a member of the community?
And the plan is to accept bitcoins as payment as well. we should roll that out in a few days if this hostility doesn't kill the service first.
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LFGTFY - I edited it to say "of comparable systems". Does that sufficiently address the issue?
nster - I'm providing a service to to people that don't know how or don't want to build their own machines. You simply have to plug it in and you're good to go. You could buy the parts to build a car cheaper then buying the premade car, does that make TOYOTA a sleezy company?
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Seriously folks, why the hostile attitude?
Allergic reactions to a misleading claim? That's certainly true in my case. I'm sure you provide a lovely service - it'd be even better if your marketing was accurate. you can mine bitcoins on a $300 walmart special computer if you wanted to but you wouldnt get much out of it. Find a system for sale that has the performance of my systems for cheaper. |
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please link lower prices.
bitcoinrigs.com's "Professional Rig": $1 more expensive than your cheapest model (which seems equivalent - both use one 6990). However... their cheapest model is only $899. Took me twenty seconds in Google. I used "mining rig site:bitcoin.org" to search, and clicked on the first link. We don't offer the lower end systems that he does AND our systems are cheaper then his equivalent ones because we offer free shipping. Seriously folks, why the hostile attitude? |
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Really? lowest price on the market my a**
don't use false advertisement please, makes you look bad. Also, why don't you use 5970s instead?
please link lower prices. also we dont use 5970's because 1. they are hard to find other then used on ebay and 2. the 6990 can be overclocked to get higher hash rates if the user is so inclined |
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We sell everything you need to get started mining Bitcoins at the lowest price of comparable systems on the market. Free shipping within the continental United States. www.bc-mining.com[edit] The people have spoken. Consider this a preview. We will 'relaunch' soon with more economical systems and an option to buy with Bitcoins. |
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Hi I am not sure if this is actually working. You could try using Msi AB to lower the voltage to 1025 which is what I am running at. It runs cooler and seems less noisy however I dont have a watt meter to check. Could you kindly see if lowering the voltage works? Also could you share how you got your dual 6990 to run, I am having the same rig as you but my dual 6990 cards refuse to mine unless they are xfire together.
cant get msi AB to change the core voltage for some reason. Ive checked the box that allows it in the settings but the slider is still blank. Also i have xfire enabled. |
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yeah, i get no where near that. ive tried different drivers and sdk versions. at 830mhz I get about 620 Mhash/s per card and at 880mhz I get about 660 Mhash/s per card and the system draws around 1000 watts.
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I've built two systems. One with two 5970's and one with two 6990's. The systems are identical except for the cards. Thought you guys might be interested in how they compare.
5970 system poclbm /Win7 64 /Catalyst 11.3 /sdk2.1 /mem clock at 300 = 1.2Ghash/s 700 watts being pulled
6990 system poclbm /Win7 64 /Catalyst 11.3 /sdk2.4 /mem clock at 610(lowest I could go stably) = little over 1.2Ghash/s 850 watts being pulled
unless someone has a way to increase my hash rate on the 6990 system I suggest everyone sticks to used 5970's from ebay
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During my short time on this forum, I've learned to more or less ignore anything Atlas says.
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