If -ck says that he is not co-operating with Inno,
does that mean that Inno is using his software without permission?
Unlikely. A while back someone said that it is Luke-Jr (the 'other' mining sw and pool operator guru, author of BFGminer and OP of Elgius) who is doing T2 work for Inno. |
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Regardless, transparency is a best practice in any good business. It might be pompous to assume that people actually know what their buying but then you'll always be disappointed by people in any regard and is why you shouldn't assume people know anything.
And that ^ is the one and only bitch I have about how Halong/Inno has been marketing these miners. To me it is rather like them selling a car and only later on saying, 'oh btw - these don't run on gasoline or diesel, they use LNG'. Once LNG is widely available as a fuel, not much of a issue, just a surprise to the consumer. Once the majority of pools support AB it too does not matter but until then that is a critical bit of info that Halong and Inno are leaving out of the marketing spiels. |
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^^ Why?
This is not the BM thread....
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... there is no free airflow because of the hash boards inside which are in person 2's opinion the "choke point" or "area of greatest resistance"...
You are mistaking free flow in/out of the miner (the 'room' side of the fans) with what happens inside of the miner. Yes the inside of the miner has high resistance to airflow. The design has been engineered so the fans overcome that internal resistance enough to force enough air through to keep the miners cool. The design has NOT been engineered to handle the added resistance caused by ductwork -- that is why booster fans are required to counteract the added resistance. Allowing extra capacity for pusing the flow through ductwork would require spec'ing the miner fans to run at even higher SP/CFM and that just raises mfg cost (and the noise level). Bitmain, Canaan, and the other manufacturers chose to not do that. Welcome to the world of system design engineering. |
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The reason is that miners - and any other machine that uses high volume fans for cooling such as, chillers, compressors, etc are designed with the expectation that the device has free air flow in and out. ANY added restrictions will result in higher temperatures. There is near zero margin to allow for also having to push the air through ducts.
Ductwork adds resistance to the airflow. Bigger diameter = less resistance but added resistance is still present and is NOT a good thing. If you insist on using ducts you MUST use an in-line booster fan rated to pull at least the miner airflow to cancel out the added resistance to airflow.
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MOQ 100 units? Thats a big F.U. I dont like Bitmain but at least they let the little guy order just 1 if he wants to and they seem to be the only big player that does so.
Other manufactures besides BM sell from 1 on up. Canaan does through their world-wide network of distributors. Check canaan.io for their list of Authorized Distributors. As for Inno's T2's, since MyRig sells the T1's (made by Inno for Halong) with any luck MyRig will also act as a distributor for the Ts'2. If they do then moq will not be an issue. |
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Anyone against halong or inno_silicon using asic boost is supporting bitmains covert asic boost.
No, we are not. We are saying that Inno either needs to provide incentive for pool operators to make the needed changes OR at a minimum let people know the miners do not work on just any pool they want to use. Even better would be being able to turn AB on/off to make pool support a moot point. As for Bitmain & covert AB: After the kerfuffle about it last year all support code was removed from the firmware. Could BM just apply their own private FW to use it? Sure. Do the s9 chips even still have AB circuits in them - unknown. Thing is there has never been any proof of Bitmain ever using AB outside of Testnet and they are on Public record stating that. Provide proof of covert AB being used and then you have a viable argument. I am not against AB per-se. If it will give a slight improvement, great. I am strongly opposed to how Little Dragon LLC/Halong Mining chose to implement it by initially literally sneaking into their miners without letting potential buyers know that critical bit of info and then doing NOTHING about encouraging/helping/giving incentive for pools to use it. If a manufacturer is pushing for a new de-facto standard then it is up to said mfgr to encourage acceptance of the new standard by working with the pool operators so the wanna-be standard is supported right out the gate at product launch. Once again, in their hubris Halong and now Inno could care less about the BTC ecosystem or being truthful to their customers. |
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check your spelling of username and password. One or both is wrong.
If using copy/paste be sure that there are no spaces at the start/end of the word.
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And once again in your website miner specs you are leaving out 1 very critical piece of information: THESE MINERS ONLY WORK WITH POOLS THAT SUPPORT ASIC BOOST. You CANNOT just point them at you favorite pool and expect them to work. If the pool does not support AB the miners will not even connect to it. Until Inno convinces all or at least the majority of pools to support AB these miners are useless for many of us. |
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Does anyone know how to get this up and running? I bought one and needed help with the firmware/drivers. Can anyone give me a link?
Firmware? Drivers? They are stand-alone miners and are plug and play, no drivers needed. Just provide correct power, internet connection, browse to setup page and run. Firmware rarely needs to be changed. Have you even looked at a Bitmain manual? S9 manual is here Setup will be same for yours. |
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It is not the shrouds that need consideration - it is the ducting they are used with. By themselves, yes a 120mm to 6" shroud will have marginally less reduction of airflow vs a 4" but I wouldn't worry about it. Connect ducting and it's a whole 'nother ballgame -- 6" or larger is a MUST.
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I checked and stand corrected. Yes when using multiple PSU's the one feeding controller turns on last. Finally got into the Bitmain site to dl the s7 manual to confirm it. Never really needed the info as I've always used single server PSU's for my farm. Good catch and Merit for ya. That then mainly leads to the s7's propensity to overheat/burn when coms go down as the culprit. Removing power from the controller could amount to much the same thing as far as the hash boards are concerned. That and as Sidehack said - no controller power means no fans and even idling the hash boards pull a fair bit of power... |
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^^ you are asking for a document that is over 7 years old... Very safe bet that most of the information is obsolete. Most of the pools running today were started long after that was written and the mining landscape has drastically changed since then. Kudos for knowing how to search (and found this) though! Look at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=104664.msg1146108#msg1146108 at the top of this section. That is the most up to date info on pools running today. |
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Riiiight... And what Foundry will they be using? None are anywhere near even limited production status @ 7nm. Yes Samsung and GF are doing "tape out' for engineering testing of the layouts but that has little to do with being anywhere close to a viable production status.
... It would seem that Bitcoin mining IC is near perfect test product for a new process: it is repetitive, it tolerates bad yield, it is free of actual trade secrets or intellectual property in its circuitry. It would be beneficial for both foundry and designers to cooperate and profitably sell the wafers fabricated during process bring-up. GMO being Japanese could have an additional benefit of really being able to sign binding non-disclosure agreements, unlike the mainland Chinese. I would love to hear from somebody who has current experience. Mine is really dated, but even a very small fab-less company had been trusted with internal fabrication process metrics provided that they made actual technological and legal effort to protect the trade secrets of the fab. I agree on those points and have in the past said the very same thing about mining chips being a perfect process test platform for the very same reasons you gave. That is probably why Samsung has been eager to make chips for miners from eBang, Innosilicon/Halong Mining, etc. - great way to work out the kinks in their 10nm node. Yes the Foundries are doing tests/'tape out' at 7nm. In their IPO document Canaan p.94 mentioned having actual design layout samples of 7nm chips finished by TSMC last month and made mention about possibly having a mass-produced 7nm miner chip by the end of the year. My feeling is that they are assuming that the few remaining issues with EUV are sufficiently addressed by then to keep mask costs far lower. I just highly doubt any company that is getting it's major funding via ICO token sales and pre-orders can pull this off or be trusted. On the Intel Foundry services bit - that was new to me. I get a lot of feeds from Intel (mostly about their FPGA's) plus several electronic design feeds - never saw mention of it. |
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Hmm, placed my 'pre-order' for a June batch miner on Monday and the shipping emails say it is already on its way and will show up on Friday. Didn't know it was June already  LOVE you folks! -Cheers! |
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just answer the question, or don't, and move on
Other than as a wild guess this query cannot be answered with 'yes' or 'no'. The only correct answer has to be 'it depends'. It is academic because there are far too many undefined variables such as: - What will be the cost of power in their area? As is the case now, some folks are screwed, some make money hand over fist.
- What will be the major currency or exchange medium then?
- Will civilization even exist?
Assuming all the above are good I DID answer this query with, 'In the interim Tx fees will rise to cover costs' though you apparently missed that line... Happy now? |
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Let's see, the 10nm node miners are *just* becoming viable and yet GMO is saying they will begin delivering 7nm products at the end of Q3? Riiiight... And what Foundry will they be using? None are anywhere near even limited production status @ 7nm. Yes Samsung and GF are doing "tape out' for engineering testing of the layouts but that has little to do with being anywhere close to a viable production status.
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You planning to be alive then? I know I won't be so the question is purely academic.
In the interim Tx fees will rise to cover costs. Don't forget that during the last price spike in Dec. some Tx fees were almost equal to the block rewards.
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