Welcome back to giving a crap. Tough to be sure of anything with this company, but last I heard they were awaiting chips and expected them next week, though there was a post saying they'd been delayed again till nearer the end of the month. Josh seems to think they could still get the chips, assemble, test, and ship before the end of the year, but I seriously doubt it given that everything seems to take far longer with this company than they say it will. Plus it'd be right up against Christmas, good luck getting everyone to focus on work.

No chips yet. Pooch screwed. Avalon & bASIC will eat their lunch.

I don't know what power consumption will be, I know BFL's estimate of power consumption. I only hope it's a whole lot more accurate than their estimates for their FPGA products. Yeah got lots of PSUs and cables, not worried, neither would I give up 12Gh and $230 more for a power supply and cable.

Who said I was impartial?

Couple things, first, everyone increased speeds awhile back(bASIC, BFL, & Avalon) and actually it was at that point that the Jally receeded in popularity because it received less of a speed bump than other products...including BFL's own products. Secondly this is off topic as the comment I made was in regard to shipping(OT).

Can you define the word "trolling"? I thought I was discussing.

Actually I can't think of anyone or anything I hate.

Okay, have fun.

You guys have spent too much time listening to Josh. On topic comments are not trolling. You may not like the comments and you may not agree with the comments, but everyone you disagree with is not a troll.

Isn't that what this thread is about? BFL shipping plans? Categorize my comments however you like, but I didn't see the sign that said I had to be a customer of BFL's to comment on their...fail.

Hey someone's got to come up with an honest shipping projection for BFL products, you're obviously not doing it. BTW if I were actually projecting when you guys will actually get around to shipping I'd take late February or early March.

Dang...and after it was SO gonna be different than BFL's FPGA product launch fail.

If I ordered from BFL I wouldn't want to hear about it either.

That's not a feature exclusive to BFL.

lol yeah right. You'll get the chips on hopefully possibly maybe the fuzzy week of December 11 and ship out products on Xmas day. Get real Josh. Just release a real shipping schedule and stop with the game playing.

I'll take that...if you admit you're too stupid to read.


I bolded the rest of it to make it easier for you. No charge.

Keep milking them power numbers bud. Isn't that another thing BFL blatantly lied about with their FPGA products? Oops, perhaps it was just another oversight. Perhaps your FPGA products needed some clock buffers.

Well the thread *IS* about BFL shipping, and they have already "dropped the ball" several times. BFL is very clearly running the same playbook they ran for their soft FPGA release. That is to say they're repeatedly lying about projected shipping schedules. Happy to entertain you though. Lemme sum it up.

BFL projected shipping(currently) = 3 months overdue. Compensation to customers? NADA.
bASIC projected shipping = 1.5 months overdue. Compensation to customers? 33% more speed FREE

...oh and instead of repeatedly lying about a new fairy tale shipping schedule every couple weeks, BTCFPGA simply manned up and threw the chips on the table...so to speak. 

Yeah, they should update it to early March and get ahead of the curve.

I think Avalon is actually ahead of everyone else at this point with their first pre-order. They may well ship first, followed by bASIC and then BFL.

So, what if a company were using your understanding nature to spit out estimated shipping dates that were unacheivable, but that kept you strung along? For instance they could announce a shipping date of October early in the year to ramp up enthusiasm and pre-order $$$, then as October approached they could continuously push that back by a few weeks at a time to keep you from cancelling. Said company might actually ship in February or March of the following year, after their competitors, but might be able to capture a much larger portion of the market than they would have had they been forthcoming with their production schedule. That would suck right...if such a company existed?


Course they know more than they're saying, but if they told you what they knew you'd likely cancel and demand a refund.

Hey welcome to the club Elden! Seems you're also off Josh's Christmas list, grats!

I hope for the sake of BFL customers that turns out to be true...unlike nearly everything else you've said with regard to BFL shipping dates.

Since when is BFL up front or honest about anything? If you guys had told everyone in September that October shipping was a fairy tale, and the reality was a "fuzzy" hopefully maybe January shipping date, how many would've cancelled then? Now that's some HUGE hidden cost. I have a dozen PSUs on hand thanks, not worried about it, but I appreciate your concern. Perhaps your concern would be better utilized getting your own very late product out the door? Oh that's right you said January all along...cept when you didn't.

Nope, but you knew that. Worked about as well as FIFTH WEEK OF NOVEMBER worked for your customers. I only ordered in mid October however. Additionally since bASIC01 is SO much cheaper per Gh(45.8% less) than your company's overpriced products I'm good thanks. Now if you guys could just drop the ball ONE more time...CHA-CHING! You can do it Josh!

lol yer a hoot.

Why must you always play dumb. You know as well as I do those guys are trapped. If they cancel their orders and request a refund then what? Back of the bus with the competition? Their options suck, because they trusted you when you said it'd be different this time, but it's not different this time is it Josh? Same fairy tale shipping dates pushed back a couple weeks at a time. Keep them hooked as long as possible because their refund option becomes less and less appealing over time. Oh but it's not BFL's fault, they're acting with integrity(obviously) and prowess, it's just that they're among the least lucky companies in the history of business. Please.