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2801  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: DASH Collapsing Monero UP on: November 10, 2015, 09:43:36 PM

In self-moderated threads, Deleted posts are usually the most useful ones.


And so are the questions that go ignored.  Wink


profound...

Hey - don't overstretch yourself.

There's a long day ahead  Wink


Maybe you can start your day with answering these straight forward questions:

--If the instamine doesn't matter to potential investors, why does your ANN say, "Dash has no premine and was fairly and transparently launched" The difference between an instamine to someone trying to avoid a premine is similar to the difference of someone trying to avoid simple carbs, but thinking that the manufacturer includes high fructose corn syrup when they list the product as sugar-free. It's greasy advertising at best, and a bait and switch at worst.

--Why do you use x11 as an algo when experts (actual crytographers) agree that every algo you add weakens the whole?

--Why should we trust Evan to get privacy at the protocol level correct, when he either botched the launch or lied?

--Why is there no peer review of Evan's plans for evolution? My guess is he wants to keep moving the target before his ineptitude is realized by the seemingly cultish dash community.

 
2802  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [AEON] Aeon Speculation on: November 10, 2015, 08:20:44 PM
Made this in my free time. Maybe I could help with a new logo (if that's what people would like).




Nice design! Sleek and modern.
2803  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: DASH Collapsing Monero UP on: November 10, 2015, 03:56:49 PM
--Why do you use x11 as an algo when experts (actual crytographers) agree that every algo you add weakens the whole?

If a weakness is found in one of the algos it can simply be removed, enter X10.



Wrong. courtesy of anonymint/tptb_need_war:


"If any one of the hashes in the chain of 11 hashes has a lower entropy then the entire chain does. Say you found this vulnerability and didn't announce it. Instead you could use it to amplify your hashrate. With that you could take unfair levels of mining rewards, or potentially launch double-spend attacks.

Fixing it after the fact also probably means the inability to unwind the damage already done if it had gone on a long time undetected.

So 11 hashes is 11 times more likely to have a vulnerability than 1 hash."
2804  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [XMR] Monero - Marketing Team & Tactics on: November 10, 2015, 03:52:09 PM
....our tactics have clearly gotten under your skin and had an effect on the market (Dark-coin collapsing, Monero UP)....

'Our tactics'

That there is all you need to read.
Thanks for being on topic ice, you never fail at not realising the damage you do to your own cause.

Well, at least he's not the main dev unable to give coherent answers to very relevant questions as in here: https://youtu.be/x5sNx7SMTP8?t=90
now that there was some true 'damage'


Hi puppet!

I see you were created in 2013, a few posts on not much till January 2014 and then nothing until you commenced posting again in April 2015 with deep concerns for all about DASH.



Oooh, and you in 2014, too late for the big btc-party.... what a shame...
and history seems to rhime, you're not missing the party now, you're just at the wrong one... what a shame again...



What about dash and btc rhymes? One uses, intelligently, one algo to secure its network, one is fairly launched, one is peer reviewed heavily, one doesn't shimmy important functions onto nodes unnecessarily, one has a mysterious genius(es) behind its beginnings...the other, well....
2805  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: DASH Collapsing Monero UP on: November 10, 2015, 03:33:18 PM

profound...

Hey - don't overstretch yourself.

There's a long day ahead  Wink


Maybe you can start your day with answering these straight forward questions:

--If the instamine doesn't matter to potential investors, why does your ANN say, "Dash has no premine and was fairly and transparently launched" The difference between an instamine to someone trying to avoid a premine is similar to the difference of someone trying to avoid simple carbs, but thinking that the manufacturer includes high fructose corn syrup when they list the product as sugar-free. It's greasy advertising at best, and a bait and switch at worst.

--Why do you use x11 as an algo when experts (actual crytographers) agree that every algo you add weakens the whole?

--Why should we trust Evan to get privacy at the protocol level correct, when he either botched the launch or lied?

--Why is there no peer review of Evan's plans for evolution? My guess is he wants to keep moving the target before his ineptitude is realized by the seemingly cultish dash community.

 
2806  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [AEON] Aeon Speculation on: November 10, 2015, 03:19:38 PM
Ultimately I far prefer the æ but I'll survive with the other symbol; I just won't be as happy about it but I'm sure I'll get used to it in time.

I'm not invested in Aeon but read most of the Altcoin threads since its all very addictive. Personally, its' no contest, æ just looks nicer...plus the current logo is lowercase (so you would be loosing the link between the two).


Yeah I wouldn't get too attached to the current logo. Is was created in five minutes by the original developers and almost certainly will have to change.

It's just a blue square with a basic windows font. It's completety illegible at 16x16, doesn't represent any currency symbol at all, and if expressed in monochrome would just be a standard windows font.

So that won't be sticking around for very long.


Oh OK, I didn't look into it too much but that makes sense (thanks for pointing that out). I still prefer the less aggressive approach, the lowercase æ appears softer less "xtreme" than all caps (imo of course).

I agree with this sentiment as far as the brand is concerned (the currency symbol is a different matter), plus it fits in with eternity/eight if that is the emission.
2807  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: DASH Collapsing Monero UP on: November 10, 2015, 08:48:12 AM
I am a paid shill? Prove it.

For a guy who claims to have lost his wallets and therefore has no current holdings in dash, you are doing a lot of prove it talk.

You lost your wallets? Prove it. Because the tone and amount of post you do defending dash makes it seem like you are still holding a lot of dash.

And this coming from a guy who claims to troll DASH only for altruistic reasons himself. I guess the same applies to you:

What you hope is DASH to go away so your Monero bags could go to m0000n.

I hold monero (as well as aeon) and never claimed my reasons for criticizing dash were wholly altruistic. But if the the criticism fits, you wear it whether it is coming from a saint or a sinner.

Now how about that proof of losing your wallets? Also, how would dash's market cap equal a moon shot--a moonshot is billions beyond where Bitcoin currently is. So we should be criticizing Bitcoin for its lack of fungibility in moneroland (which we do) and digital fiat for its lack of privacy (which everyone does). Criticism are either valid, invalid or opinion and dash's instamine is valid, x11's weakness as an algo is valid, and darksend's second rate privacy is valid as attested by Evan himself (finally).
2808  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: DASH Collapsing Monero UP on: November 10, 2015, 06:53:04 AM
Prove it? It's pretty self explanatory. Read the thread again, slower if you have to, as many times as it takes for you to understand.

If you can't prove it just say it.

Also you forgot to address the second part, is trading forbidden if you're a developer?


He lost close to 50% of his BTC by investing in a shitcoin.

If you sell your stock today with the same price you bought them, you're even. If the stock doubles the next day, it doesn't mean you lost money. You're still even. I know this is hard to understand as people are still complaining DASH being a scam because a lot of coins were mined fast and sold cheaply in the beginning and they for some reason didn't mine or buy, so they feel they lost and thus were scammed when the price went up instead of down like some other coins and they missed the profits.


Good thing has his paid shills speaking for him.

I am a paid shill? Prove it.

For a guy who claims to have lost his wallets and therefore has no current holdings in dash, you are doing a lot of prove it talk.

You lost your wallets? Prove it. Because the tone and amount of post you do defending dash makes it seem like you are still holding a lot of dash.
2809  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Fairness always wins. Litecoin founder Charlie Lee speaks out against DASH. on: November 10, 2015, 05:05:35 AM
There will come a point when no one cares about the instamine, and most people actually dont care today. You can sit there and dwell on the past or look toward the future.

Its only the butthurt trolls that say the same instamine shit over and over. Dont like it, dont invest, simple as that. Satoshi is sitting on the biggest bitcoin stash.....this was once the trolls topic of choice...now...not so much..

Dash is the most innovative coin to date, if it keeps doing what its doing then this will be a thing of the past.


"There will come a time when no one cares about the instamine"

When is that? Because it seems the more that people hear about the instamine, the more people care about it. If you hear about it and don't care, fine--you're risking your money and are fine with losing it if it happens. But the people who don't know about the instamine have a right to know and Evan isn't telling them himself. And when he's pressed on the point, he makes it sound like it's nothing or normal.
2810  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: November 10, 2015, 04:32:51 AM
i may or may not fully understand union sets

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_(set_theory)

but I do believe that cash is not digital.. i mean I guess it is? Maybe? some form of it?

Maybe leave the dollar half-in/half-out of digital to illustrate that it can't be digital and private?
2811  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: DASH Collapsing Monero UP on: November 09, 2015, 05:39:31 PM
@Illodin: I understand you are invested in this coin

For the record, I may have had some Dash in the past but I accidentally deleted my wallets. All of them. Shit happens.

If there only were cryptocurrencies that have mnemonic seeds to restore deleted wallets...

And ones that had protocol level privacy already...
2812  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto Kingdom - 1991 Retro Virtual World(City) on: November 09, 2015, 04:19:12 PM
Inspirational content! Where's American Pegasus when you need him?

Crichton bids 50 @ 12
2813  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: DASH Collapsing Monero UP on: November 09, 2015, 12:11:27 PM
He argues it's difficult to attack it like that because one would drive up the price too much, thus admitting an attack is possible, albeit difficult... but possible nonetheless... This would be a major concern to me as an investor...

Attack is always possible against everything if you have infinite resources and motivation. Not admitting that would be delusional and should be concerning to investors.

But it's made even easier when you cram algos together like X11:

"If any one of the hashes in the chain of 11 hashes has a lower entropy then the entire chain does. Say you found this vulnerability and didn't announce it. Instead you could use it to amplify your hashrate. With that you could take unfair levels of mining rewards, or potentially launch double-spend attacks.

Fixing it after the fact also probably means the inability to unwind the damage already done if it had gone on a long time undetected.
So 11 hashes is 11 times more likely to have a vulnerability than 1 hash." Anonymint

And from noted cryptographers:

"The Sum Can Be Weaker Than Each Part"

Gaëtan Leurent and Lei Wang

"Abstract: In this paper we study the security of summing the outputs of two independent hash functions, in an effort to increase the security of the resulting design, or to hedge against the failure of one of the hash functions. The exclusive-or (XOR) combiner H1(M)+H2(M) is one of the two most classical combiners, together with the concatenation combiner H1(M)||H2(M). While the security of the concatenation of two hash functions is well understood since Joux's seminal work on multicollisions, the security of the sum of two hash functions has been much less studied.

The XOR combiner is well known as a good PRF and MAC combiner, and is used in practice in TLS versions 1.0 and 1.1. In a hash function setting, Hoch and Shamir have shown that if the compression functions are modeled as random oracles, or even weak random oracles (i.e. they can easily be inverted -- in particular H1 and H2 offer no security), H1+H2 is indifferentiable from a random oracle up to the birthday bound.

In this work, we focus on the preimage resistance of the sum of two narrow-pipe n-bit hash functions, following the Merkle-Damgård or HAIFA structure (the internal state size and the output size are both n bits). We show a rather surprising result: the sum of two such hash functions, e.g. SHA-512+Whirlpool, can never provide n-bit security for preimage resistance. More precisely, we present a generic preimage attack with a complexity of O(2^5n/6). While it is already known that the XOR combiner is not preserving for preimage resistance (i.e. there might be some instantiations where the hash functions are secure but the sum is not), our result is much stronger: for any narrow-pipe functions, the sum is not preimage resistant.

Besides, we also provide concrete preimage attacks on the XOR combiner (and the concatenation combiner) when one or both of the compression functions are weak; this complements Hoch and Shamir's proof by showing its tightness for preimage resistance.

Of independent interests, one of our main technical contributions is a novel structure to control simultaneously the behavior of independent hash computations which share the same input message. We hope that breaking the pairwise relationship between their internal states will have applications in related settings."

https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/070

https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/070.pdf
2814  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [XMR] Monero - Marketing Team & Tactics on: November 08, 2015, 10:26:59 PM
Oh look, a celebrity endorsement of an excellent, bootstrappy XMR use case!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3s085o/why_the_altcoin_takeover_scenario_has_become_a/cwt2prf

Quote
[–]Peter Todd - Bitcoin Expert

For me personally shapeshift adds a lot of value to Bitcoin, as it gives me much stronger privacy by using Monero as an anonymous intermediary point. Specifically, I buy Monero on shapeshift, then sell it to xmr.to, which in turn sends bitcoins to the Bitcoin address of my choice.

Sounds like a good idea to tell you're doing that considering xmr.to probably has 1 transaction every other day. Unless he's not actually doing it.

Just because your dev is either a liar or too stupid to realize an instamine would follow your coin around for the rest of its existence, doesn't mean that all devs are liars or stupid--that's called projection. As for XMR.TO and its number of transactions, did binaryfate give you that figure or did you pull it out of your ass in a weak deflection worthy of a dashtardian?
2815  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero - Marketing Team & Tactics on: November 07, 2015, 02:22:31 PM
@generalizethis
Ego masturbation

You're a poor man's Anonymint--all the bluster without the technical prowess.
2816  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero - Marketing Team & Tactics on: November 07, 2015, 03:35:02 AM
yeah i do and we're talking about.. "Monero - Marketing Team & Tactics"
You know the topic title and how i have said they spam this place like crazy.

These Monero guys don't just bump one topic but many through a variety of tactics.
Further more they have one topic that has an obscene post count.. 550+ pages ? really ?
And not only that a handful of shill / dummy / noob accounts keep bumping it to the very top of page 1.

Care to change the subject and attack me again now ?

What i said is undeniable..
We already went though this with Monero shills like a year ago and eventually they went right back to it..
You guys slowed your roll and reeled it in for a while when you noticed a large backlash from this forum.
only to wait until it died down to press on making sure you have the highest level of exposure in this forum section
..by jamming this crap coin down everyone throats.

generalizethis,
you have been hard at work here diverting the issue and if you addressed this topic title i guess i missed it.

Based on all the signs i think it's obvious we have people here trying to manipulate the forum.
There is just waaaay too much Monero talk that goes on for the small handful of people invested in it.
And really the bottom line here is you guys should not have to be told to tone it down.
Maybe don't be obnoxious and overbearing ? ..and deceitful with the "Marketing Team & Tactics"

The OP brought up Crypto Kingdom and you responded to that post--though it seems you thought you were responding to Monero, so maybe you should get a brush-up on your reading comprehension skills or just pay more attention to what's being talked about.

Thanks all for your posts, very informative and demonstrative in context of the subject of this forum.

much interesting code in crypto kingdom......just a game though i think?

One guy posted here way back he had made lots of coins and had created 60+ accounts
so that he could post on his coin topics how awesome his coin is and how he made sooooooo much money etc..
So not only do guys go on the record admitting this behavior.
But it's also common sense.. the fact that happens should go with out saying.

But you guys insist on throwing the dice on anything in a desperate attempt to make some chump change.
And smart people here know this and play you guys like a violin.
The best way to take some guys money is to give him some first..

You all never learn. lol

What part of bag holder don't you get ?

See any coins that are going up in value steadily ?
See any with a lot of mass adoption around the world ?
Not even Bitcoin has this.. never mind anonymous forum-name changing account hopping scammers shit coins.

Most of you *still here would have left already but.. your bag holders.

New guys.. Don't be low hanging fruit Wink
And don't buy any bags from guys in an alley lol
Also don't get in the van of they tell you they have Bitcoin !

And when i responded to the CK comments, I got this:


In regards to crypto kingdom, it's a game. If you enjoy it, you play. If you don't enjoy it, you don't. You don't have to pay, so why the nagholder FUD?

In regards to Berni Madoff.. he never forced his investors into buying anything.. sound familiar ?
Yeah fun game.. when the creator make a shitload of money.. sound familiar ?

Have any more stupid fucking comments you want to post ?

PS:
I suggest you start doing your homework.. start by Google searching Berni Madoff.

You made a dumb comparison to a topic the OP brought up and now you are accusing me of changing the subject--project much?
2817  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero - Marketing Team & Tactics on: November 07, 2015, 03:12:24 AM

In regards to crypto kingdom, it's a game. If you enjoy it, you play. If you don't enjoy it, you don't. You don't have to pay, so why the nagholder FUD?

In regards to Berni Madoff.. he never forced his investors into buying anything.. sound familiar ?
Yeah fun game.. when the creator make a shitload of money.. sound familiar ?

Have any more stupid fucking comments you want to post ?

PS:
I suggest you start doing your homework.. start by Google searching Berni Madoff.

You can play the game for free--like most other online games-- so compare apples to apples. If you want to spend money on the game that's your prerogative (just as in most online games). If you want to start FUDing Blizzard, at least you would maintain a consistent idiocy.

you're only doing to appease your benefactor right?  Yeah cool game dude.....can you pump the price a bit? k thanks!

My benefactor? Price? It's free to start playing. When it goes live again, you can sign up and play for free. I don't know where you and Spoetnik got the idea that you have to pay or there is a price, but you can check the crypto kingdom thread and see that playing for free is how Risto imagined most people would and should play. There's an investment angle to the game that can cost money, but that's by user choice and not a requirement--so maybe that is why you both are confused.

For the millionth time you can't read.. all i said was that guy was caught on poloniex chat bragging he made $1,000's on these forum games.. Where you got all that other crap i supposedly said i have no idea.

I'd say we are arguing but not really LOL

Your putting words in my mouth and changing the subject inch by inch to try and get one over on me.
all of course in a pointless effort to discredit me and there by in turn prop up the legitimacy of Monero.
(if you can prove Spoetnik sucks then Monero is great right ?)

All i said in the first place was these guys talk about Monero waaaay too much.
then here you come again with some jab at me in response to some shit i never said.
How did 1 irrefutable comment turn into a debate about 80 other things you *claim i said ?

Go back to school.. you FAIL EPIC'ly at reading comprehension son.

There is no debate and there is no argument i am right and i can prove it swiftly if need be.

You associated Bernie Madoff with the game. Or did you forget?


In regards to crypto kingdom, it's a game. If you enjoy it, you play. If you don't enjoy it, you don't. You don't have to pay, so why the nagholder FUD?

In regards to Berni Madoff.. he never forced his investors into buying anything.. sound familiar ?
Yeah fun game.. when the creator make a shitload of money.. sound familiar ?

Have any more stupid fucking comments you want to post ?

PS:
I suggest you start doing your homework.. start by Google searching Berni Madoff.

Don't get angry with me because you forgot what you were talking about.
2818  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero - Marketing Team & Tactics on: November 06, 2015, 07:44:02 PM

In regards to crypto kingdom, it's a game. If you enjoy it, you play. If you don't enjoy it, you don't. You don't have to pay, so why the nagholder FUD?

In regards to Berni Madoff.. he never forced his investors into buying anything.. sound familiar ?
Yeah fun game.. when the creator make a shitload of money.. sound familiar ?

Have any more stupid fucking comments you want to post ?

PS:
I suggest you start doing your homework.. start by Google searching Berni Madoff.

You can play the game for free--like most other online games-- so compare apples to apples. If you want to spend money on the game that's your prerogative (just as in most online games). If you want to start FUDing Blizzard, at least you would maintain a consistent idiocy.

you're only doing to appease your benefactor right?  Yeah cool game dude.....can you pump the price a bit? k thanks!

My benefactor? Price? It's free to start playing. When it goes live again, you can sign up and play for free. I don't know where you and Spoetnik got the idea that you have to pay or there is a price, but you can check the crypto kingdom thread and see that playing for free is how Risto imagined most people would and should play. There's an investment angle to the game that can cost money, but that's by user choice and not a requirement--so maybe that is why you both are confused.
2819  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero - Marketing Team & Tactics on: November 06, 2015, 06:44:59 PM

In regards to crypto kingdom, it's a game. If you enjoy it, you play. If you don't enjoy it, you don't. You don't have to pay, so why the nagholder FUD?

In regards to Berni Madoff.. he never forced his investors into buying anything.. sound familiar ?
Yeah fun game.. when the creator make a shitload of money.. sound familiar ?

Have any more stupid fucking comments you want to post ?

PS:
I suggest you start doing your homework.. start by Google searching Berni Madoff.

You can play the game for free--like most other online games-- so compare apples to apples. If you want to spend money on the game that's your prerogative (just as in most online games). If you want to start FUDing Blizzard, at least you would maintain a consistent idiocy.
2820  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero - Marketing Team & Tactics on: November 06, 2015, 08:48:15 AM
Thanks all for your posts, very informative and demonstrative in context of the subject of this forum.

much interesting code in crypto kingdom......just a game though i think?

One guy posted here way back he had made lots of coins and had created 60+ accounts
so that he could post on his coin topics how awesome his coin is and how he made sooooooo much money etc..
So not only do guys go on the record admitting this behavior.
But it's also common sense.. the fact that happens should go with out saying.

But you guys insist on throwing the dice on anything in a desperate attempt to make some chump change.
And smart people here know this and play you guys like a violin.
The best way to take some guys money is to give him some first..

You all never learn. lol

What part of bag holder don't you get ?

See any coins that are going up in value steadily ?
See any with a lot of mass adoption around the world ?
Not even Bitcoin has this.. never mind anonymous forum-name changing account hopping scammers shit coins.

Most of you *still here would have left already but.. your bag holders.

New guys.. Don't be low hanging fruit Wink
And don't buy any bags from guys in an alley lol
Also don't get in the van of they tell you they have Bitcoin !

In regards to crypto kingdom, it's a game. If you enjoy it, you play. If you don't enjoy it, you don't. You don't have to pay, so why the nagholder FUD?
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