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2801  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: March 13, 2018, 06:37:15 PM
Let's be fair to notbatman, he needs more time to come up with a suitably irrelevant meme for this. Something with hamsters and triple parentheses.

Seems like he just ignored it. I guess no argument was good enough.

It think this counts as a response, involved rodents and triple parentheses:

The (((rats))) have made Flat Earth seem ridiculous via mass indoctrination and NASA Hollywood propaganda. Research Flat Earth, the globe is not only ridiculous it's impossible.

I'm now genuinely curious as to how people like notbatman would behave if they were faced with evidence IRL, e.g. during a vacation on a beach. Would they pretend to be blind?

Although likely it's just an online troll-persona. I've yet to meet a flat-earther IRL.

For how long do you have to troll to be considered insane?
2802  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: March 13, 2018, 06:18:02 PM
I will tell you why, because god is either an idiot or he doesn't exist.

You won the argument pages ago Astargath.  BD is simply too dense to understand it.

Even the leader of his cult says the Big Bang happened!   Cool

Evolution deniers are going extinct, badecker and his other buddy in this thread are probably the last few ones. It's just really mind boggling to me how someone tries to defend slavery or rape just to keep believing in what they believe.

We clearly do not defend being a slaver (to hunt for people to enslave them) and neither being a rapist. Both were to be punished with death in the Bible if one is cought on doing so.

You are clearly having an agenda behind you. You were provided the evidences about the rape that it is the satanic translation matter. And yet you provide the things that is proven to be the gate to troll the christianity. Just like the fake evolution evidences you provide is the troll gate to harass the christianity.

I am not an evolution denier. There is nothing to be denied. Even if BB is true you have a question - what have caused it and a whole lot of issues along with many improbabilities and few impossibilities. That is still a lot less than you already know. And if you already know then you presuppose. If you presuppose - you believe. If you believe in it - it is your religion. If your religion is improbable - you are a fanatic.

If we are at labelling people you are the evolutionist self-assurers. Circle of adoration. People crave to be adored I obviously crave less about it than you. Im not afraid of your shaming as I have my king Jesus Christ behind me.

You want to shame people by calling someone losers. You are not even close to being a predominate majority. I would say that 66% people including atheists believe we came from monkeys. With all this support from the media and a 100% control of the schools. That is so weak. Even with this generation that is being out of touch with reality you cannot make the numbers more than 66-75%, and close to 50% in the religious community.

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I will tell you why, because god is either an idiot or he doesn't exist.

You know? If you do not get the reserve of a doubt of not understanding something, then I use the same standards for you. You get a faaar away from the truth that way. That way I could judge you being a troll. I hope you are not. That would mean I had only waste my time.

If you are a troll why should I bother? If God does not exist - why would you bother?

Astargath no longer exist. It is just a matter of time. You do not know it but soon all sinners will be as they would never exist. Pooof.... like a dust you are on the wind.....

''Both were to be punished with death in the Bible if one is cought on doing so.''

Lies. When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished.  If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

If you kill the slave you are indeed punished however you free to have slaves and to beat them almost to death.

http://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/rape-in-the-bible/
2803  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: March 13, 2018, 06:12:02 PM
No shit, how would anyone see the boat in the first frame, are you retarded? Here is a clear video, not a shitty gif, showing a boat disappearing over the horizon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPrTMz7a4X8

Hmmm, all I saw was a boat slowly sinking into the water...

If the earth is flat, everyone on that boat just drowned.  Sad  

The boat shrinks down as it gets farther away and close to the end of the video it's so small it's almost completely obscured by the mirror zone. There are plenty of videos taken on cooler days where a mirage isn't covering up the boat.

How come the boat shrinks to invisibility but the sail doesn't?

Magic... Also how come more zoom doesn't bring the ship back into view?

Let's be fair to notbatman, he needs more time to come up with a suitably irrelevant meme for this. Something with hamsters and triple parentheses.

Seems like he just ignored it. I guess no argument was good enough.
2804  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: March 12, 2018, 11:53:44 PM
No shit, how would anyone see the boat in the first frame, are you retarded? Here is a clear video, not a shitty gif, showing a boat disappearing over the horizon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPrTMz7a4X8

Hmmm, all I saw was a boat slowly sinking into the water...

If the earth is flat, everyone on that boat just drowned.  Sad  

The boat shrinks down as it gets farther away and close to the end of the video it's so small it's almost completely obscured by the mirror zone. There are plenty of videos taken on cooler days where a mirage isn't covering up the boat.

How come the boat shrinks to invisibility but the sail doesn't?

Magic... Also how come more zoom doesn't bring the ship back into view?

Let's be fair to notbatman, he needs more time to come up with a suitably irrelevant meme for this. Something with hamsters and triple parentheses.

And jews. Don't forget the jews.
2805  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: March 12, 2018, 10:13:07 PM
No shit, how would anyone see the boat in the first frame, are you retarded? Here is a clear video, not a shitty gif, showing a boat disappearing over the horizon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPrTMz7a4X8

Hmmm, all I saw was a boat slowly sinking into the water...

If the earth is flat, everyone on that boat just drowned.  Sad  

The boat shrinks down as it gets farther away and close to the end of the video it's so small it's almost completely obscured by the mirror zone. There are plenty of videos taken on cooler days where a mirage isn't covering up the boat.

How come the boat shrinks to invisibility but the sail doesn't?

Magic... Also how come more zoom doesn't bring the ship back into view?
2806  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: March 12, 2018, 08:10:53 PM
I will tell you why, because god is either an idiot or he doesn't exist.

You won the argument pages ago Astargath.  BD is simply too dense to understand it.

Even the leader of his cult says the Big Bang happened!   Cool

Evolution deniers are going extinct, badecker and his other buddy in this thread are probably the last few ones. It's just really mind boggling to me how someone tries to defend slavery or rape just to keep believing in what they believe.
2807  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: March 12, 2018, 06:21:47 PM
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This ''His ways are mysterious and better than what we want.'' is actually one of the worst arguments from religious people. Why would you trust god then, if you don't know whether his actions are actually good or bad then why trust him? Even if he really existed, why would I follow him?

To evaluate it you have to have the gift of discernement. Most people do not want it because as Solomon had wrote - understanding and wisdom brings suffering to the wise person. People prefer to be dumb, but it is required for christian not to be dumb.

You don't have to be too smart to realize that slavery or rape is wrong yet the bible is full of it, in fact it endorses it and even has rules for it, great god you have.

The Bible is against people who kidnap, buy or sell other people for use as slaves. The Bible is totally in favor of people voluntarily selling themselves into temporary "slavery" when they are poor, so that they can get out of their poverty.

The Bible is totally against rape.

You totally misinterpret what is being done where there are certain judgments in the Bible that are different than the way that you would judge. Bible judgments are better. This can be seen by the fact that you would badmouth the Bible with your lies, in intentional ignorance, or maliciously.

In the same way that you talk falsely about the bible, so you talk falsely about evolution. There isn't any evolution in the sense of evolution theory. Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

Look at your pathetic excuses... God couldn't find a better way to get people out of poverty than slavery? Why not a normal job where your master cannot beat you almost to death with no consequences.

''When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished.  If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)''

There is no rational defense for all the disgusting verses in the bible yet you still think god not only exists but that he is actually good.

You are having such a difficult time understanding the mindset of those ancient people.

No defense is necessary for something that people hold as part of their living conditions when it is reality. But when you continue to reject God, there is no defense for you.

With the Bible words that you are showing, above, God is bringing the position of slavery out into the beginnings of freedom for the slave. Prior to that wording from God, there was no punishment for the slave-owner even if the slave died at his hands.

But you would rather maintain slavery for the minds of people by continuing to promote something as stupid as evolution. So, you are the slave maker here.

Cool

''God is bringing the position of slavery out into the beginnings of freedom for the slave. Prior to that wording from God, there was no punishment for the slave-owner even if the slave died at his hands.'' WOOW god is so merciful with his laws, instead of simply abolishing and punishing any kind of slavery he only punishes owners if they kill their slaves, benevolent god...

Well, that's what God almost did... abolish and punish slavery. Almost? Yes, almost.

You see, God is too righteous and loving to involve Himself with punishing any crime, or even abolishing the freedom of people to do right or wrong. So, what Did God do that He ALMOST abolished and punished? He turned over the abolishment and punishment to the people, themselves.

How did God turn over the abolishment and punishment for any wrongdoing to people? By giving to people perfection which would give them a life without death... life filled with great joy without any punishment or need for abolishment. By doing this, God automatically built into nature the quality of abolishment and punishment for any imperfection that a person does. And you well know that all people do things that aren't perfect.

You well know many of the kinds of punishment that people get for their imperfections. They get pain and sorrow and eventually death for their imperfection. So, people create their own punishment and eventual abolishment, and the abolishment of their evil right along with their own abolishment in death.

But God didn't want people to abolish themselves. So, he gave them good laws that fit how the people lived... fit their mindset... so that they had some kind of a chance to reduce their self-inflicted punishment, and so that they might not abolish themselves quite as fast as if God had not given them these laws.

But, you might say? Why didn't God simply force them to not be able to be imperfect? Because then you would be complaining that God had made them slaves of perfection. This way God doesn't have to dirty His hands with abolishment and punishment, or slavery. He can maintain the good that He is giving people. And if people want abolishment and punishment, they can, of their own free will, maintain imperfection within themselves. God doesn't have to do it at all!

Where does that leave you? Perhaps in moderate peace for a time. But your personal abolishment and punishment is hanging over your head, ready and waiting to befall you. All you need to do is continue with the second greatest imperfection of all as you have been doing... rejecting the fact that God exists... next to which slavery is a glimmering candle-light in a cave of blackest darkness. If you won't change, your self-ordained and self-inflicted abolishment and punishment will catch up with you, and you won't like it in the least.

Cool

But god killed millions with the flood and plagues and other methods, he took away people freedom many many times, why not do it for a good reason (to stop slavery) ?

I will tell you why, because god is either an idiot or he doesn't exist.
2808  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: March 12, 2018, 06:20:18 PM
^^^

Q: Can you see the boat in the first frame?

A: No, because it's already gone "over the horizon" i.e. past the vanishing point. As soon as you start zooming in (optical) the distance to the horizon changes and you can bring the boat back into full view plus some. The horizon is not a "hump", it's the result of perspective.

No shit, how would anyone see the boat in the first frame, are you retarded? Here is a clear video, not a shitty gif, showing a boat disappearing over the horizon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPrTMz7a4X8

I will tell you why you can't find one that brings the boat back into view by zooming in, you can't because it doesn't happen.
2809  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: March 11, 2018, 03:10:46 PM
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This ''His ways are mysterious and better than what we want.'' is actually one of the worst arguments from religious people. Why would you trust god then, if you don't know whether his actions are actually good or bad then why trust him? Even if he really existed, why would I follow him?

To evaluate it you have to have the gift of discernement. Most people do not want it because as Solomon had wrote - understanding and wisdom brings suffering to the wise person. People prefer to be dumb, but it is required for christian not to be dumb.

You don't have to be too smart to realize that slavery or rape is wrong yet the bible is full of it, in fact it endorses it and even has rules for it, great god you have.

The Bible is against people who kidnap, buy or sell other people for use as slaves. The Bible is totally in favor of people voluntarily selling themselves into temporary "slavery" when they are poor, so that they can get out of their poverty.

The Bible is totally against rape.

You totally misinterpret what is being done where there are certain judgments in the Bible that are different than the way that you would judge. Bible judgments are better. This can be seen by the fact that you would badmouth the Bible with your lies, in intentional ignorance, or maliciously.

In the same way that you talk falsely about the bible, so you talk falsely about evolution. There isn't any evolution in the sense of evolution theory. Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

Look at your pathetic excuses... God couldn't find a better way to get people out of poverty than slavery? Why not a normal job where your master cannot beat you almost to death with no consequences.

''When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished.  If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)''

There is no rational defense for all the disgusting verses in the bible yet you still think god not only exists but that he is actually good.

You are having such a difficult time understanding the mindset of those ancient people.

No defense is necessary for something that people hold as part of their living conditions when it is reality. But when you continue to reject God, there is no defense for you.

With the Bible words that you are showing, above, God is bringing the position of slavery out into the beginnings of freedom for the slave. Prior to that wording from God, there was no punishment for the slave-owner even if the slave died at his hands.

But you would rather maintain slavery for the minds of people by continuing to promote something as stupid as evolution. So, you are the slave maker here.

Cool

''God is bringing the position of slavery out into the beginnings of freedom for the slave. Prior to that wording from God, there was no punishment for the slave-owner even if the slave died at his hands.'' WOOW god is so merciful with his laws, instead of simply abolishing and punishing any kind of slavery he only punishes owners if they kill their slaves, benevolent god...
2810  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: March 11, 2018, 03:07:59 PM
the earth is round, we can prove by the existence of satellites, the existence of satellites means to prove that the existence of earth grativitasi.
The consequence of gravity is a round earth.



Gravity is a theory, a shitty one that's wrong.





https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1009045.msg32024930#msg32024930

You still haven't answered this, really easy way to prove the earth is not round.
2811  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: March 11, 2018, 09:54:16 AM
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This ''His ways are mysterious and better than what we want.'' is actually one of the worst arguments from religious people. Why would you trust god then, if you don't know whether his actions are actually good or bad then why trust him? Even if he really existed, why would I follow him?

To evaluate it you have to have the gift of discernement. Most people do not want it because as Solomon had wrote - understanding and wisdom brings suffering to the wise person. People prefer to be dumb, but it is required for christian not to be dumb.

You don't have to be too smart to realize that slavery or rape is wrong yet the bible is full of it, in fact it endorses it and even has rules for it, great god you have.

The Bible is against people who kidnap, buy or sell other people for use as slaves. The Bible is totally in favor of people voluntarily selling themselves into temporary "slavery" when they are poor, so that they can get out of their poverty.

The Bible is totally against rape.

You totally misinterpret what is being done where there are certain judgments in the Bible that are different than the way that you would judge. Bible judgments are better. This can be seen by the fact that you would badmouth the Bible with your lies, in intentional ignorance, or maliciously.

In the same way that you talk falsely about the bible, so you talk falsely about evolution. There isn't any evolution in the sense of evolution theory. Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

Look at your pathetic excuses... God couldn't find a better way to get people out of poverty than slavery? Why not a normal job where your master cannot beat you almost to death with no consequences.

''When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished.  If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)''

There is no rational defense for all the disgusting verses in the bible yet you still think god not only exists but that he is actually good.
2812  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: March 11, 2018, 12:20:43 AM
@astargath



You just zoomed in, lmao, how do we know that the boat was ever hidden? To prove your point, zoom in and find a boat half hidden by the curvature and then zoom in more and bring it back, let's see you do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPrTMz7a4X8

Add to that the fact that the boat isn't even over the horizon as you can clearly see there's still ocean behind it.

It's amazing how these people feed their delusions.
2813  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: March 10, 2018, 11:46:59 PM
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This ''His ways are mysterious and better than what we want.'' is actually one of the worst arguments from religious people. Why would you trust god then, if you don't know whether his actions are actually good or bad then why trust him? Even if he really existed, why would I follow him?

To evaluate it you have to have the gift of discernement. Most people do not want it because as Solomon had wrote - understanding and wisdom brings suffering to the wise person. People prefer to be dumb, but it is required for christian not to be dumb.

You don't have to be too smart to realize that slavery or rape is wrong yet the bible is full of it, in fact it endorses it and even has rules for it, great god you have.
2814  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: March 10, 2018, 11:45:43 PM
@astargath



You just zoomed in, lmao, how do we know that the boat was ever hidden? To prove your point, zoom in and find a boat half hidden by the curvature and then zoom in more and bring it back, let's see you do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPrTMz7a4X8
2815  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: March 10, 2018, 11:36:17 AM
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Evolution science has proved evolution is a hoax by finding no proof, and not even any clear evidence in favor of evolution.

The thing is that when presented with evidence for evolution (of which there is a staggering amount), you will just say "oh it's not evolution, it's adaption" or "this evidence doesn't explain everything, therefore it's incomplete and invalid". While at the same time you don't apply such criticism to the tenets of your faith, which you simply accept at face value, because doubting it would be sinful (I assume, correct me if I'm wrong).

You couldn't have said it better, that's exactly the problem with these type of people. They will easily believe a fairy tail that has no evidence yet so against well established scientific theories. He will keep yelling ''there is no proof'' bla bla.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution Start here badecker, for proof of evolution.

Thanks, man. I think it's a difference of mindset. If, hypothetically, you or I were shown irrrefutable empirical evidence that in fact there is, say, a Christian God, we'd have to accept it, whether we like it or not. Would it be bothersome? Sure, but if the evidence follows scientific, i.e. logical rules, so does the result and there wouldn't be much of a problem integrating these new findings into our world view. We don't lose anything.

As a religious person (I'm talking young earth religious, there's plenty of logically thinking religious people), if you accept just one scientific finding as fact (like the yeast example), then what stops you from accepting the next and the next and the next? In the end, nothing of what your life and personality was built upon is left. You lose everything.

The more you stand to lose, the stronger you fight it. That's why logical arguments and evidence as you presented here will not get through to the people you or I argue with.

No disrespect is meant to any religious person reading this, by the way. I appreciate your perspective. But this is what I think may motivate many believers.

The thing that shoots down the evolution idea is something that you said. It's the little wording, "irrrefutable empirical evidence." There is no irrefutable empirical evidence that evolution exists. All the evidence fits concepts other than evolution better than they fit evolution.

In addition, there are hosts of, but several major, pieces of irrefutable empirical evidence that show that evolution can't exist. Because of these, the irrefutable empirical evidence relied upon by evolutionists, absolutely fits something else better.

Google "evolution is impossible" or any other set of words to find reasons why evolution can't have happened according to evolution theory. One piece of irrefutable empirical evidence that might not be easily found in searches, is cause and effect.

Cool

''evidence relied upon by evolutionists, absolutely fits something else better.'' Then they would call it something else, you keep saying the same shit but every piece of evidence for evolution disproves ''creationism''
Now you are trying to tell me that evolutionists wish that God existed!? LOL! They call it what they call it because that is what they wish existed. Period.



If God wanted to convince me of his existence, he would and yet he doesn't. I pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus' name we pray, Amen.
You already know in your heart that God exists. God doesn't have to convince you of it. The thing that God is trying to do is coax you to be on His side, in favor of Him... without forcing you into it.



And yet nothing happens, ever. There are no miracles. This is very odd. Jesus makes specific promises in the Bible about how prayer is supposed to work.

I don't blame you for thinking like this. Even the Christians often think like this. So, to show you how wrong you are, I will let you show yourself. Here's how you can show yourself.

In the privacy of your home or office, grow another arm. Maybe grow two of them, one on each side, complete with shoulder-like sockets and joints. You can be a six-limbed person, kinda like the hexapeds in E. E. (Doc) Smith's book, Spacehounds of IPC.

Go ahead. Grow them. Or is all nature the miracle?

Jesus says that the miracles will happen according to your faith. You don't even believe that God exists. According to your faith, you are pushing yourself right out of life, even though God is working very hard to give you more time to change your mind... and faith direction.

The miracle for you (if you don't change) will be that God has offered you salvation, but you are rejecting it for a very painful destruction instead. It's like a joker who is dying of thirst out in the hot desert, finding a pool of the freshest cool water anyone could ever want, but trying to drink hot sand instead of the water. It's a miracle that salvation is there for you, but you would rather throw it away for something that is destroying you.

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You already know in your heart that God exists. God doesn't have to convince you of it. The thing that God is trying to do is coax you to be on His side, in favor of Him... without forcing you into it.

So that's where the vicars got the idea from ^^^
God said bend over so i can finger your holy spirit         said the vicar                          ^^

God doesn't have to convince you of it.
thing that God is trying to do is coax you to be on His side, in favor of Him
without forcing you into it Shocked Shocked    

Don't leave your children with a preacher because their holy spirit will be invaded by gods preachers..

Now remember the amount of vicars who abused children over many years if god is here and can see all we do then you think after seeing one child get his holy spirit invaded he would stop it with god being so powerful and all ?..

So another proof no god ..Because all the religious freaks say he is so powerful but not so powerful
after all or his he BLIND?..

And are you saying god give you free will to abuse children? ..
So bolt of lightning to strike the vicar down BUT nothing WHY?

Because the earth made us you religious DOUGHNUTS  Cheesy Cheesy
YEP we evolved just like a potato  Grin

RELIGION IS DYING OUT Wink..

More harry potter style beliefs and jedi just for fun  Wink..
TO BE MYSTICAL <<21st century pass time not to be taken really serious  Wink..

Wizards magic dragons hug trees earth talking to us but all just a pass time and not to be taken seriously just for fun ..

No one expects a dragon to come from the sky and a wizard to zap the dragon away  Roll Eyes..
BUT      Badecker expects a god to fit him in a place were he lives forever doing what i will never know...Maybe fingering holy spirits  Cheesy Cheesy

he is a nut when it comes to religion  makes it all up most of it not even in any bibles what he says
so he already going to hell foer making his own god up Wink Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

No i don't care because no such thing as gods ..Talking to yourself in your own brains..

All of your talk convince me that the most vicious atheists came from catholic or kalvinistic backgrounds.

Atheist are laughing from the God of catholics and kalvinists. No... That is not what God is... I understand your anger about the Kalvin type of God... its ridiculous.

They are hardly christians at all IMHO. Actually some of them can be deeply errournous ones that are sincere, but most of them are there because they are lazy enough to not be the way they are.

Have you ever consider you just do not understand God? Just a little? Or maybe you are convinced you are omniscient? Just consider... you might have a flawed image of who the God is ok?

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''Jesus says that the miracles will happen according to your faith. You don't even believe that God exists'' So no one believes hard enough to pray for someone else to grow a limb back? Odd....

God may do such, that you will not miss the missing limb becuase of other things. It would be as you were whole.

His ways are mysterious and better than what we want. And if limb would grow back he would have discredit all the dreams of atheists. There would be no atheist on the earth if such a defy of logic would happen.

Ok? He make you dreams come true - you can easily believe he does not exists if that is all you want of him.

You just laugh of the God of catholics. God of the Bible works in everything not just miracles ok? That is not the God of the catholics by no means.

According to your arcticle:

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When Charles Darwin introduced the theory of evolution through natural selection 158 years ago, the scientists of the day argued over it fiercely, but the massing evidence from paleontology, genetics, zoology, molecular biology and other fields gradually established evolution's truth beyond reasonable doubt.

The hero on the white horse argument. That is not true. There were a lot of crazy scientologists out there, really a lot of them. You make it to be a breakthrough.

Sadly both sides of the fence have that stupid hero on the white horse argument. It is a straw man.

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Embarrassingly, in the 21st century, in the most scientifically advanced nation the world has ever known, creationists can still persuade politicians, judges and ordinary citizens that evolution is a flawed, poorly supported fantasy.

How awfull...... still in the 21st century we require higher standards for science... how awful is that? That is just wrong, everything should be considered scientific should be so because some doctor have said so like in the middle ages. How dreadful..........

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The historical nature of macroevolutionary study involves inference from fossils and DNA rather than direct observation.

Observation=empiricism. The article just said that evolution cannot be a science because it violates the premise to be called scientific - it need to be observable.

Do not call that science ok? Please.

You do not care because you do not call it a naturalistic science. You just make all categories of sciences and all of them have different standards. That is what I call Bull Shit.

For example I do not call myself a scientist, because I am not a natural scientist. I am so called social scientist, and I KNOW... there is a lot of thing called science there that should not be called so. I KNOW. I see that. There are many people saying that scientific standards at least in sociology are violated by A LOT. And still I would be called scientist if I would want to. I don't because many statements in sociology and evolution sciences are unobseravable hypothesis at best, and in worse just a piece of trash.

This ''His ways are mysterious and better than what we want.'' is actually one of the worst arguments from religious people. Why would you trust god then, if you don't know whether his actions are actually good or bad then why trust him? Even if he really existed, why would I follow him?
2816  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: March 10, 2018, 11:32:39 AM
^^^ Just zoom in with a zoom lens and see that boat you just watched go "over" the horizon hull first come back into full view, this is your first clue that it's flat.

Second clue is the horizon, it's perfectly flat and rises to eye level at any altitude. Unless you want imply we live on a cylinder a boat can't go "over" what's not there; there is no measurable curvature.

You wouldn't have a video of that, would you? We would like to see a bot zoomed into view.
2817  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: March 10, 2018, 12:09:20 AM
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Evolution science has proved evolution is a hoax by finding no proof, and not even any clear evidence in favor of evolution.

The thing is that when presented with evidence for evolution (of which there is a staggering amount), you will just say "oh it's not evolution, it's adaption" or "this evidence doesn't explain everything, therefore it's incomplete and invalid". While at the same time you don't apply such criticism to the tenets of your faith, which you simply accept at face value, because doubting it would be sinful (I assume, correct me if I'm wrong).

You couldn't have said it better, that's exactly the problem with these type of people. They will easily believe a fairy tail that has no evidence yet so against well established scientific theories. He will keep yelling ''there is no proof'' bla bla.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution Start here badecker, for proof of evolution.

Thanks, man. I think it's a difference of mindset. If, hypothetically, you or I were shown irrrefutable empirical evidence that in fact there is, say, a Christian God, we'd have to accept it, whether we like it or not. Would it be bothersome? Sure, but if the evidence follows scientific, i.e. logical rules, so does the result and there wouldn't be much of a problem integrating these new findings into our world view. We don't lose anything.

As a religious person (I'm talking young earth religious, there's plenty of logically thinking religious people), if you accept just one scientific finding as fact (like the yeast example), then what stops you from accepting the next and the next and the next? In the end, nothing of what your life and personality was built upon is left. You lose everything.

The more you stand to lose, the stronger you fight it. That's why logical arguments and evidence as you presented here will not get through to the people you or I argue with.

No disrespect is meant to any religious person reading this, by the way. I appreciate your perspective. But this is what I think may motivate many believers.

The thing that shoots down the evolution idea is something that you said. It's the little wording, "irrrefutable empirical evidence." There is no irrefutable empirical evidence that evolution exists. All the evidence fits concepts other than evolution better than they fit evolution.

In addition, there are hosts of, but several major, pieces of irrefutable empirical evidence that show that evolution can't exist. Because of these, the irrefutable empirical evidence relied upon by evolutionists, absolutely fits something else better.

Google "evolution is impossible" or any other set of words to find reasons why evolution can't have happened according to evolution theory. One piece of irrefutable empirical evidence that might not be easily found in searches, is cause and effect.

Cool

''evidence relied upon by evolutionists, absolutely fits something else better.'' Then they would call it something else, you keep saying the same shit but every piece of evidence for evolution disproves ''creationism''
Now you are trying to tell me that evolutionists wish that God existed!? LOL! They call it what they call it because that is what they wish existed. Period.



If God wanted to convince me of his existence, he would and yet he doesn't. I pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus' name we pray, Amen.
You already know in your heart that God exists. God doesn't have to convince you of it. The thing that God is trying to do is coax you to be on His side, in favor of Him... without forcing you into it.



And yet nothing happens, ever. There are no miracles. This is very odd. Jesus makes specific promises in the Bible about how prayer is supposed to work.

I don't blame you for thinking like this. Even the Christians often think like this. So, to show you how wrong you are, I will let you show yourself. Here's how you can show yourself.

In the privacy of your home or office, grow another arm. Maybe grow two of them, one on each side, complete with shoulder-like sockets and joints. You can be a six-limbed person, kinda like the hexapeds in E. E. (Doc) Smith's book, Spacehounds of IPC.

Go ahead. Grow them. Or is all nature the miracle?

Jesus says that the miracles will happen according to your faith. You don't even believe that God exists. According to your faith, you are pushing yourself right out of life, even though God is working very hard to give you more time to change your mind... and faith direction.

The miracle for you (if you don't change) will be that God has offered you salvation, but you are rejecting it for a very painful destruction instead. It's like a joker who is dying of thirst out in the hot desert, finding a pool of the freshest cool water anyone could ever want, but trying to drink hot sand instead of the water. It's a miracle that salvation is there for you, but you would rather throw it away for something that is destroying you.

Cool

''Jesus says that the miracles will happen according to your faith. You don't even believe that God exists'' So no one believes hard enough to pray for someone else to grow a limb back? Odd....

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/15-answers-to-creationist/
2818  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: March 10, 2018, 12:02:54 AM
Not being paid, not entrusted with any knowledge and not part of any group. There's literally a 100 million+ flat earthers out there

So there is this massive conspiracy but they let 100 million flat-earthers slip through? I wonder if there is an anonymous hotline to report them. Sounds like a major glitch that needs fixing.

He is going to have a hard time answering this one so probably he'll ignore it :^)
2819  Economy / Reputation / Re: Can you still believe aTriz words? Reopened, too many open questions on: March 09, 2018, 03:11:27 PM

For anyone not familiar with the code, what this script does is the following:

Bets 1 bit at x1.08.
If you lose, doubles the bet, still at x1.08.
If you win, returns to the base bet of 1 bit.
Repeat

There are additional options to change the max bet and tweak the multipliers, but the script will run as above unless changed.

It doesn't take a coding expert or a math genius to figure this out.

If the code is that simple, 1) aTriz could easily taken 30 seconds to look at this and known not to give his vouch, and 2) this could easily have been created after the fact in order to create the appearance there was a script when there was not. Also, this is basically the same as the autobet feature available at many (most?) gambling sites.

Don't bother, they won't neg trust atriz.
Why do you say that?

There is obviously some bias towards atriz. I don't usually involve myself in drama or reputation fights but it's quite clear that people don't seem to care. I mean the whole thread is supposed to be about atriz and it's 99% filled with attacks towards the other dude or girl, alia.

I'm not saying I would give atriz a negative rating but surely I wont trust him with vouchers from now on lol.
2820  Economy / Reputation / Re: Can you still believe aTriz words? Reopened, too many open questions on: March 09, 2018, 01:58:10 PM

For anyone not familiar with the code, what this script does is the following:

Bets 1 bit at x1.08.
If you lose, doubles the bet, still at x1.08.
If you win, returns to the base bet of 1 bit.
Repeat

There are additional options to change the max bet and tweak the multipliers, but the script will run as above unless changed.

It doesn't take a coding expert or a math genius to figure this out.

If the code is that simple, 1) aTriz could easily taken 30 seconds to look at this and known not to give his vouch, and 2) this could easily have been created after the fact in order to create the appearance there was a script when there was not. Also, this is basically the same as the autobet feature available at many (most?) gambling sites.

Don't bother, they won't neg trust atriz.
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