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thanks for bumping this to the top BA by deleting it. Burn in hell you pricks...
Are these asshole scammers back to deleting posts? You do know it isn'tworth it to ddelete posts after a couple of days sinc everyone has already seen them. Well just for good measure. Never order from BA. They are incompetent idiots who I wouldn't trust to serve my fries at McDonalds. Lying scamming pieces of shit, the lot of them. I hope karma meets up with you pricks and your facilities burn and your wives leave you for a more competent man.
Make sure you neg rep them everyone!
to start, a companies ToS means absolutely nothing. They can write whatever they want in it, but if they violate the government laws, they may have as well written them in the sand on a beach, because they are worthless. Now BA has decided to business in the U.S., the U.K., as well as a slew of other companies whose laws protect the consumer from unfair business practices such as this. In the U.S. for example, you are allowed to request a refund even after the product is delivered for some period of time (someone can correct me on the exact length of days here as I am unsure off the top of my head) no questions asked.
Now, if a refund request was submitted prior to shipping, it is on the companies responsibility to oblige the request, and shipping the product blatantly ignores that. Any judge will easily award the customer the lawsuit and make the seller refund for the product. He should just make sure he has copies of all emails sent to and from BA, as well as copies of when his shipping notice was received and the tracking info. Now being in China, that complicates things, and a rejected package will probably have a very hard time getting retribution even though the law is very clear. This is because it can get messy when going international. But the fact remains, that he has the right to request a refund at any point, regardless of what any ToS say on BA's.
Also, it can be proven that BA very clearly violated their own ToS many times. The one I am referring to is when they said they needed to cash out the order money to pay for production. There are many people who have tracked their bitcoins and they are still sitting in the same address that they were sent to, obviously not cashed out by BA. Just another instance where the scum of the earth company has lied about what they are doing.
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Quote from: sorehammer on July 23, 2014, 03:59:59 PM
You make BA sound like the knight from Monty Pythons Holy Grail lol
except instead of people laughing their asses off, they are tired and beaten at this sack of shit that lay before them.
EDIT: Haven't tried to make their engineers cry in a while, so just so they don't forget, any person who has the balls to call themselves an engineer at BA is a fraud and should have any licensing that they may have to attain flushed down the toilet, where it can join the crap that used to own it.
How worthless is that Ipad looking "LCD" case? Why would anyone need to google or search the internet from an X-1 or X-3? What a waste of time, money, and energy to get that working. Also look at it, there is no mention of the software working on it. They have a picture of a log in screen (that a 3rd grader could code), but nothing of the actual unit stats. Highly doubt they have them working with the units yet.
They were going on and on about how the power supply was custom made for them, and that the company was designing it based on their needs. Looks like that was another lie, and they just bought this one and worked their design to fit with it. And, on top of that, they are selling them to you at over twice what they paid for it (probably more than that as I am sure they got a large discount for ordering so many).
All this, and they keep saying they can't afford to give anything more as compensation, has anyone actually received any compensation in the first place? It looks to me like the only thing that has shipped (poorly might I add) are originally ordered units, in the amount originally ordered.
Looks like the scum of the earth strikes again, showing that they only care about putting money in their pockets.
The joke of a company is BA, I especially like those wires that have to run all the way across the heatsinks to the other side of the board because someone didn't put fan connectors on both sides (sure hope they don't get too hot and melt). Were the fans that were supposed to be in a push pull set up scrapped. fans probably cost too much money and they had to leave one side out for better costs.
Still no LCD btw, wasn't that supposed to be in by now?
They must be done self mining and finally getting those all packaged up for you guys.
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Dogie, would you mind sharing here what they sent you? I am sure the community would love to make fun of them for whatever they said.
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Are these asshole scammers back to deleting posts? You do know it isn'tworth it to ddelete posts after a couple of days sinc everyone has already seen them. Well just for good measure. Never order from BA. They are incompetent idiots who I wouldn't trust to serve my fries at McDonalds. Lying scamming pieces of shit, the lot of them. I hope karma meets up with you pricks and your facilities burn and your wives leave you for a more competent man.
Make sure you neg rep them everyone!
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BA=asshole ignorant scammers
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Are these asshole scammers back to deleting posts? You do know it isn'tworth it to ddelete posts after a couple of days sinc everyone has already seen them. Well just for good measure. Never order from BA. They are incompetent idiots who I wouldn't trust to serve my fries at McDonalds. Lying scamming pieces of shit, the lot of them. I hope karma meets up with you pricks and your facilities burn and your wives leave you for a more competent man.
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Are these asshole scammers back to deleting posts? You do know it isn'tworth it to ddelete posts after a couple of days sinc everyone has already seen them. Well just for good measure. Never order from BA. They are incompetent idiots who I wouldn't trust to serve my fries at McDonalds. Lying scamming pieces of shit, the lot of them. I hope karma meets up with you pricks and your facilities burn and your wives leave you for a more competent man.
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please post his email address
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I will be careful though and refer to the your counsel on this matter. I am also a customer and with their terms of service it makes it a little ambiguous what happens when you decline shipment. This is the part that worries me: Time and time again the "Terms of Service" have been struck down in the court of law due to conflicting with law. Terms of Service does not nullify your rights. And the FTC has been VERY specific about this. The FTC is also VERY specific about the rules of refunds. FTC rules state specifically that if a customer requests a cancellation of his order BEFORE shipment, then the seller is REQUIRED to give a 100% full refund. There are NO IF's, AND's, or BUT's about it. When it comes to BA, I do not know since they are not located in the United States. [/quote] If they operate in the US, they must conform to US laws. Think of it this way, you can sell on Amazon in other countries now and have your funds converted to your local currency. But, in order to open an Amazon account in those countries, you must follow their laws and open any accounts or receive any business numbers required. You must conform to the laws of wherever you are selling your product. |
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The conversation that was posted about 8 pages back between Dan at MS was my email chain.
I have since refused the shipment and it was sent back to them.
If anyone has requested a refund from Minersource and has not received it, please send me a message.
If your order ships, do not accept it, if you accept it you will make it quite a bit harder to get your refund.
Interesting return path. It shipped out from Commerce City, Co. The tracking return the package to Rolla, MO. Which JUST happens to be where Bob and Dan seem to live.
I will be careful though and refer to the your counsel on this matter. I am also a customer and with their terms of service it makes it a little ambiguous what happens when you decline shipment. This is the part that worries me: "Preorders The Purchaser understands and agrees that we will use his payment in order to purchase the necessary materials or pay workmanship required to fulfill his pre-order which will be non-refundable if cancelled. For this reason, the purchaser hereby gives us the right and agrees with our decision to decline any requests from him or third parties to cancel his pre-order." If anyone can provide me with some clarity I will really appreciate it. to start, a companies ToS means absolutely nothing. They can write whatever they want in it, but if they violate the government laws, they may have as well written them in the sand on a beach, because they are worthless. Now BA has decided to business in the U.S., the U.K., as well as a slew of other companies whose laws protect the consumer from unfair business practices such as this. In the U.S. for example, you are allowed to request a refund even after the product is delivered for some period of time (someone can correct me on the exact length of days here as I am unsure off the top of my head) no questions asked. Now, if a refund request was submitted prior to shipping, it is on the companies responsibility to oblige the request, and shipping the product blatantly ignores that. Any judge will easily award the customer the lawsuit and make the seller refund for the product. He should just make sure he has copies of all emails sent to and from BA, as well as copies of when his shipping notice was received and the tracking info. Now being in China, that complicates things, and a rejected package will probably have a very hard time getting retribution even though the law is very clear. This is because it can get messy when going international. But the fact remains, that he has the right to request a refund at any point, regardless of what any ToS say on BA's. Also, it can be proven that BA very clearly violated their own ToS many times. The one I am referring to is when they said they needed to cash out the order money to pay for production. There are many people who have tracked their bitcoins and they are still sitting in the same address that they were sent to, obviously not cashed out by BA. Just another instance where the scum of the earth company has lied about what they are doing. Thanks for the response. My only issue is that these items weren't marketed as commercial products, rather built to order. This changes which laws apply. If it is actually a built to order product, it would be as if you pay a construction company to build a house, and then once its done, decline payment. If those same rules apply then maybe they aren't required to do refunds. Did anyone hire counsel regarding this matter for clarification? Many people are saying many things and I'm not sure if they did their homework. I have already reported to BBB and FTC, and declined shipment. Unfortunately, I can't afford a lawyer for such a small amount of money, but someone I know with experience says it will be tough because they offered compensation and the units are performing above spec, so the TOS might apply. They then recommended I accept shipment and compensation. I regret ever ordering from BA. I have done my homework and worked with a lawyer over this. Thankfully, MS and I were able to come to a mutual decision that we were both happy with and nothing proceeded further than the preliminary meetings with said lawyer. This is not the same as a house...because these are not houses. I cannot quote exactly where in the law the difference is (although I know you can back out of a house being built with some stipulations as well), but I would assume these are covered under a completely different set of rules and regulations than consumer products. Regardless, my previous assessment is true and consulting with a lawyer will lead to the same information. |
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Bought two more S3's from Batch 5 this morning but soon after got a message from Bitmain saying:
"You have bought B1~B3 of S3. We will issue you a 10% value coupon. However, you have the option to give up the coupon and apply a 7.7% refund..."
But I bought from Batch 5 - any ideas on this one..??
1) yeah take the coupon and use it to buy more from batch 5. 2) maybe batch 5 is going to issue coupons. 3) did you only order from batch 5 no 1 ,2, 3 or 4? lastly has anyone only ordered from batch 5? if so did they get a coupon sent. I have only ordered from batch 5, and have received the same message after my payment was confirmed. I assume it is just a default message that they have up and pops up to anyone who orders, probably not getting that coupon, but I would assume they will start giving out coupons like they did for S1's eventually. |
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The conversation that was posted about 8 pages back between Dan at MS was my email chain.
I have since refused the shipment and it was sent back to them.
If anyone has requested a refund from Minersource and has not received it, please send me a message.
If your order ships, do not accept it, if you accept it you will make it quite a bit harder to get your refund.
Interesting return path. It shipped out from Commerce City, Co. The tracking return the package to Rolla, MO. Which JUST happens to be where Bob and Dan seem to live.
I will be careful though and refer to the your counsel on this matter. I am also a customer and with their terms of service it makes it a little ambiguous what happens when you decline shipment. This is the part that worries me: "Preorders The Purchaser understands and agrees that we will use his payment in order to purchase the necessary materials or pay workmanship required to fulfill his pre-order which will be non-refundable if cancelled. For this reason, the purchaser hereby gives us the right and agrees with our decision to decline any requests from him or third parties to cancel his pre-order." If anyone can provide me with some clarity I will really appreciate it. to start, a companies ToS means absolutely nothing. They can write whatever they want in it, but if they violate the government laws, they may have as well written them in the sand on a beach, because they are worthless. Now BA has decided to business in the U.S., the U.K., as well as a slew of other companies whose laws protect the consumer from unfair business practices such as this. In the U.S. for example, you are allowed to request a refund even after the product is delivered for some period of time (someone can correct me on the exact length of days here as I am unsure off the top of my head) no questions asked. Now, if a refund request was submitted prior to shipping, it is on the companies responsibility to oblige the request, and shipping the product blatantly ignores that. Any judge will easily award the customer the lawsuit and make the seller refund for the product. He should just make sure he has copies of all emails sent to and from BA, as well as copies of when his shipping notice was received and the tracking info. Now being in China, that complicates things, and a rejected package will probably have a very hard time getting retribution even though the law is very clear. This is because it can get messy when going international. But the fact remains, that he has the right to request a refund at any point, regardless of what any ToS say on BA's. Also, it can be proven that BA very clearly violated their own ToS many times. The one I am referring to is when they said they needed to cash out the order money to pay for production. There are many people who have tracked their bitcoins and they are still sitting in the same address that they were sent to, obviously not cashed out by BA. Just another instance where the scum of the earth company has lied about what they are doing. |
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He is a scammer, my package arrived and it was some rinky dink $5 laser pointer. Do not do any business with him. Just glad he didn't get much out of me, hopefully he didn't get anything from anyone else.
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You make BA sound like the knight from Monty Pythons Holy Grail lol
except instead of people laughing their asses off, they are tired and beaten at this sack of shit that lay before them. EDIT: Haven't tried to make their engineers cry in a while, so just so they don't forget, any person who has the balls to call themselves an engineer at BA is a fraud and should have any licensing that they may have to attain flushed down the toilet, where it can join the crap that used to own it. |
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They were going on and on about how the power supply was custom made for them, and that the company was designing it based on their needs. Looks like that was another lie, and they just bought this one and worked their design to fit with it. And, on top of that, they are selling them to you at over twice what they paid for it (probably more than that as I am sure they got a large discount for ordering so many).
All this, and they keep saying they can't afford to give anything more as compensation, has anyone actually received any compensation in the first place? It looks to me like the only thing that has shipped (poorly might I add) are originally ordered units, in the amount originally ordered.
Looks like the scum of the earth strikes again, showing that they only care about putting money in their pockets.
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How worthless is that Ipad looking "LCD" case? Why would anyone need to google or search the internet from an X-1 or X-3? What a waste of time, money, and energy to get that working. Also look at it, there is no mention of the software working on it. They have a picture of a log in screen (that a 3rd grader could code), but nothing of the actual unit stats. Highly doubt they have them working with the units yet.
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Seriously, what kind of joke of a company is this that with millions of dollars of customer funds on the line, they completely fall off the map for almost this entire month then out of the blue post on ecointalk apologizing for being too busy?
And a reseller claims he's flying to China just to get these things shipped?
What the hell is going on here?
The joke of a company is BA, I especially like those wires that have to run all the way across the heatsinks to the other side of the board because someone didn't put fan connectors on both sides (sure hope they don't get too hot and melt). Were the fans that were supposed to be in a push pull set up scrapped. fans probably cost too much money and they had to leave one side out for better costs. Still no LCD btw, wasn't that supposed to be in by now? They must be done self mining and finally getting those all packaged up for you guys. |
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BA has been quoted as saying that their production capability is 30,000 units a month. Now we are 2/3's of the way through the month, so that means they have produced and shipped 20,000 units. If that is about 1/3rd of the way through all orders, then at the current rate of production/shipping, all orders will be shipped by the end of August! There we go, simple math that even BA can understand.
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BS they are shipping X-3's and just didn't post notice anywhere! That's another lie these scumbags are spouting. Do we really believe that anytime they had remotely good news they got on their main account just to say it, even though they have the lowlife David for that, and probably the biggest news, shipment of their flagship device starts, and they just don't update anywhere. I am yet again calling BS.
Also, unless your sueing for some other reason, they probably won't need to be able to produce that evidence as it is in your right to request a refund at any point. Good luck to you sir, hit em hard.
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I am good on BFL stuff for now. I will take all eruptions at $2 each, regardless of color. I am also taking all gridseed stuff still at prices on front page.
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I do have a tracking number from China. EMS said it was shipped to Chicago Sort Facility. Does anyone know if its possible to track packages after they have left EMS and gotten to the states?
EDIT: I can't decide if I was scammed or not. His actions are very sketchy to say the least. The 2 "customers' who left feedback are definitely suspect, but if he is a scammer, he isn't very good as he is selling under $10 equipment besides the lasers. It did seem fishy to me though that he messaged me a little while after I got the shipping number and said he had 3 more if I wanted another, I said possibly if he would hold that price for me I would after I got this one, but he never responded, then the next day I asked if he still had it (just fishing for info, wasn't going to give more money until I at least got this one), and still didn't get a reply. So if he is scamming, he doesn't seem to be very good at it. IDK, it just baffles me, hopefully a laser will arrive, I am split about 50/50 on whether it will or not.
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