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28301  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 03, 2014, 03:53:52 PM
Taking all factors (political, financial, rationality, greed, etc.) into consideration, I predict BTC will hit a high of $950 in 2015 and settle at about $750.

I predict your prediction to be wrong.


This prediction would seem more probably if it were directed towards 2014.... Even I have my doubts about whales/manipulators being able to keep BTC prices as low as the prediction in 2014, but they would have a hell of a time keeping us from having a new ath - once BTC prices surpass $850.... which could happen this year.  ONce BTC prices get past 850, the new ATH is all over, and then we are likely to have BTC prices move into the $3k to $5k territory...

New ATH may NOT happen until 2015...  but it is certainly NOT out of the question for 2014, either...
28302  Economy / Speculation / Re: $500,000 per Bitcoin, baby. The math behind it. on: August 03, 2014, 11:41:58 AM
$500,000 per Bitcoin is a ridiculous prediction. Wont get anywhere near unless bitcoin goes fully mainstream.

You are stating the obvious, and there is some kind of logical fallacy with your rational... (but I do NOT know the name for the logical fallacy.. NOT off the top of my head).

Even $50K per bitcoin is going to make BTC pretty mainstream, and $500K per bitcoin is even more mainstream (10x more).  You may be correct that $500K per bitcoin is a bit ridiculous to achieve - however, NOT for the reason that you stated b/c even at a much lower than $500k price, the assumption is that BTC becomes increasingly mainstream which causes it to increase in value (what people are willing to pay for it).
28303  Economy / Speculation / Re: Predict the price of Bitcoin on 1 April 2015 - win CGB's on: August 03, 2014, 10:47:55 AM
Zule      4150 on stamp
BTCat      My own entree will be US$3,200
master-P   My prediction: $3828.50
hodlmybtc   $6750
bitcoinsrus   Just a guess $5,000
fonzie      135$
the_sunship   4572
af_newbie   $900
Dalmar      $1500
xperiencia   27
Twilight_Sparkle   $52,495.71
rohnearner   3450$
Xpedite      my guess: 1615$
Majormax   On the major fiat exchange (Bitstamp maybe), $650
Wilhelm      Ok let's not do the obvious ... $15k
Evilish      $2400
Paya      $4950
Philj      $50,000 +/- $50,000
BitcoinBaBa   Price prediction:4790$ 
smoothie   $9487.34/BTC
CoinRocka   $4666.66
precrime3   Im predicting $1.75k
bahamapascal   Bitcoin: 2745.89 $
zzojar      $2560
googlemaster1   $1720
gustav      2895$
Carra23      800$
lynn_402   7250$ Cheesy
menno1986   $4125  Smiley
Bit_Happy   3434
chessnut   EDIT 02/04/13 $5001
adsdas      1414
Feri22      13,500 USD
UnDerDoG81   So I say $6.666
koryu      predicting $1337
redwhite037   $3333
SportsBet           950$
Mig-23      $500-$600 (not 1 number)
Toxic2040           $2999.01
BitCoinsLOL   1 BTC = $956.56
marvinrouge   8888
BitchicksHusband   $15986
edok              $1450
BigBoy89           $2448
Acidyo      2350$
pinksheep   $5549
sgbett      $99999.99
matt608      $3800
neilol-real   6745
lyth0s      $6,918
snatchmonkey   9645
Kexkey      $3850 :-)
yayayo      $ 844
railzand   2345
pinksheep   $23456
log2exp      $987.65
hwardman30    BTC750
220Fast      16852 usd
BTCtrader71   $12,412.01
Richard Branson   94$
serenitys   too many numbers not 1 guess
blatchcorn   $80,923
indiemax   $2020
kireinaha   $127,856.17
zimmah      $46,216.34
Cryptocure   $3210
Slingshot   $2444 usd
bitcoinsrus   2500
spndr7      5216.84 USD
elliwilli   $5000 +/- (already guessed)
thewayshegoes   $4163
xDan      $25,000



I was too late to get in my prediction... and  this contest with a prize was a great idea...   NOT TO be too critical, but for ease of reading, you should have written the BTC price predictions in ascending order.. rather than chronological order... I like the idea though of a prize...

For shits and giggles:  I'm gonna guess $2,748.20 - after having had peaked in the $4,350 area in early 2015.. then BTC gonna have some up and down price retracement during early to mid-2015... and to maybe bubble again in late 2015 into the $6969 price arena.











28304  Economy / Speculation / Re: $500,000 per Bitcoin, baby. The math behind it. on: August 03, 2014, 10:07:35 AM

i believe it will touch 10.000 but not to 500.000 k
and maybe need more year like 5 or 10 years again to touch it . because we know when diff gain price will gain. may

As much as I hope I am wrong, I don't believe it will ever go that high...That would put too many people at an extremely wealthy level, and I don't think the government wants that to happen!

You may be correct with your instinct that there are status quo forces that do NOT want regular people getting rich and they do NOT want redistribution of wealth.  I would NOT place those suspicions on the government - b/c the government is merely a vehicle that can be used by the people or by the rich... a problem, is frequently the government gets co-opted by status quo wealthy forces... but suggesting "the government wants" is a way of misunderstanding the forces at play... b/c the government is NOT inheritantly bad.

Back to the substance of your comment:
There remain wealthy and status quo forces that do NOT appreciate some of the redistribution of wealth that has already taken place through bitcoin.  They do NOT have a choice , and they do NOT like it, but some redistribution of wealth has already taken place.  Some of the newly wealthy through BTC are going to be able to hang onto their wealth, but others are NOT so smart or sophisticated to realize how to hang onto their newly acquired wealth or are NOT sufficiently omnipotent to  know how to manage their newly acquired wealth.  NONETHELESS there remains considerable potential for further redistribution of wealth for those who enjoy sufficient foresight to recognize the potential of bitcoin and to continue to invest in bitcoin while there remains considerable potential upside. 

In this regard, bitcoin is democratic and open to all to invest at whatever portion of their income is possible and accordingly, there will be little choice of the status quo and additional wealth is going to be redistributed to people who are able to HODL BTC in the coming years.    Surely, there will be come wealthy that get on board and are able to manipulate the wealth distribution of BTC in their favor.. but still quite a few regular (and techy) people should be able to receive some of this BTC wealth redistribution... b/c I am thinking that it is still early days, and even if BTC does NOT go to $500K, it has a pretty decent chance to go to $10K and beyond in the fairly near future.... and the status quo financial institutions are likely NOT going to be able to stop it.. even though they will probably make some lame efforts to try to stop it.
28305  Economy / Speculation / Re: $500,000 per Bitcoin, baby. The math behind it. on: August 03, 2014, 09:51:10 AM
Yes, it will take a while to reach $50,000. Many years.

But it will hit $5000 within the next 6 months.

$5,000 in the next 6 months!? LOL. What planet are you living on?

i believe it will touch 10.000 but not to 500.000 k
and maybe need more year like 5 or 10 years again to touch it . because we know when diff gain price will gain. may

Even projections of $10k in 5 or 10 years is extremely optimistic and a very good investment.  Normal index fund stocks are usually projected to double in value in 10 to 12 years. So, if BTC is able to achieve another more than 10x appreciation in 5 to 10 years, those are very good value projections.
28306  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 03, 2014, 09:16:35 AM
Nice to get rid of the external antenna on those...

Actually an unfortunate design decision (worse signal, degraded battery life), along with not having the cup for the earpiece (which significantly improves audio quality)

Ok... I won't fight you on that one.   I may even join in on the lobbying efforts to petition to attempt to get those two things placed back into the modern-day smart phones (extending external antennas and cups - maybe even analogue dials, while we're at it  Cheesy   Cheesy).
28307  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 03, 2014, 03:04:54 AM
little dumping going on

I will repeat that I have a sneaking suspicion that there is going to be an attempt to close the Weekly MACD in the red.... which is going below the $570-ish level by Sunday night (is that when it closes?)
28308  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 03, 2014, 02:31:50 AM
Pointing to the smartphone, Kurzweil says, devices like the iPhone are 100,000 times smaller than the computer that he used as an MIT student. "It is also several thousand times more powerful," he says. "It is a million times cheaper. That is a several billion-fold increase in price performance." Technology is being reduced at a rate of "100,000 in 3-D volume per decade," says Kurzweil. "That is another predictable exponential trajectory, so computers of this capability will be blood-cell size in 2030.

Phone size is increasing again.

30 Years Of Cell Phones


There is one phone  missing in that photo. I purchased a "mobile" phone in 1991 or so and it was roughly 8x10x3 and had a handset that looked like a traditional phone with a 8in antennae, i believe that was the first mobile phone built as I was totally into cell phones when they first were introduced in the late 80s and paying 1-3 dollars per minute. Ill have to find a picture of that phone.. too bad I didn't keep it, im sure it would be worth something today..

Starts at Nokia moves onwards lol.
Anyways the first cell phones would definitely have some value today in a mobile phone museum
They have a nice contrast though.

Bitcoin, you're drunk

Sideways hehe that works Bitcoin is being tipsy today  Grin

Nice to get rid of the external antenna on those...
28309  Economy / Speculation / Re: $500,000 per Bitcoin, baby. The math behind it. on: August 03, 2014, 02:25:48 AM
I'd love to see this happening but I really doubt it. $5,000 is do-able but $500,000 is likely to ever happen.

I have been thinking that $5K or $50K are possible in the next few years; however, $500K is some other level shit, and surely it is possible, but maybe like Burt W suggested, such a price may NOT be too sustainable for a lot of reasons or even feasible until something like 20 years from now.... and by then, who knows what the state of the crypto world is going to be... we may be in for some real surprises.. if we are so lucky to be living 20 years from now.
28310  Economy / Speculation / Re: $500,000 per Bitcoin, baby. The math behind it. on: August 02, 2014, 05:50:28 PM
The power consumption over the next 50 years is harder to predict than the price.  There are many factors simplified above that could change.

You are correct for acknowledging the many known unknowns and potential unknown unknowns, thus I reject this one comment:

So, in order to keep our power consumption under about 2% of world wide power production, we cannot/do not want the price to get to $500,000 before era 6, which is about 2033 or so.

There definitely are physical restrictions with todays technology on the market cap of bitcoin but all of that can change overnight....
Printable solar cells with ASIC's? ASIC space heaters?

That's exactly what i was thinking! Let bitcoin be the engine behind solar cell technology! those Obama hand-outs didn't do shit! Thanks obama!

Yeah... must have been Obama... fuck!!!!!



NOT



Blaming Obama seems to be way too simple of an explanation for anything government related, and blaming him regarding a solar cell company... What?Huh.  (now blaming him for a bad joke or putting his pants on backwards may be another story..  Cheesy).    Regarding governmental issues, there are institutions and there are a variety of forces out there... causing and effecting... besides some simple blame-Obama scenario.   Roll Eyes Tongue
28311  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: August 02, 2014, 05:33:47 PM
So this could be the end of the bitcoin bubbles, possibly. Will a competitor come and dethrone bitcoin? Or, are we just entering a new and much smaller growth period?

This may depend on how the question of the 1 MB max blocksize limit is handled. One thing is certain without an increase in this limit, and a hark fork is necessary for this, Bitcoin will be dethroned by a competitor. Once the limit is reached transaction fees will skyrocket as an ever growing number of transactions compete for the 1 MB space every 10 min. Fortunately Gavin Andresen understands the need for this. So do other Bitcoin developers. The real question in my mind is will they muster the necessary community consensus to make this hard fork happen?

I don't think there's any plausible scenario in which the death of Bitcoin is somehow an opportunity for some altcoin to take its place.  The death of Bitcoin would be the death of cryptocurrency.

I don't agree. BTC is currently caught in the middle of two somewhat conflicting pulls: 1) a means of commerce and 2) and a deeper evolution of modern politics: that is, the changing balance of power between the individual and the state. At this point there are alts mpving full speed ahead in both these two directions, while btc seems paralyzed in the middle. In first direction, alts like Via are moving forward with sidechain possibilities and faster transactions. In the other direction, anons like Cloak and BTCD are moving rapidly towards privacy evolutions that BTC has now forsaken.

Evolution, sythesis, antithesis - this is the nature of life. BTC and crypto in general does not stand apart  from this flow.


Although I agree that alt-cryptocoins can be a place for innovation, Based on the market, your conclusion about the stagnant state of BTC seems incorrect.  BTC's share of the market cap continues to grow, while all of the others put together are NOT really taking any meaningful market share from BTC.  This may show more of the demise of LTC rather than the demise of BTC.  In conclusion, BTC seems to continue to hold its own, pretty well, and so far.
28312  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: August 02, 2014, 09:49:58 AM

I will take that as a "hello". 

Don't. He meant roundabout, indirect, circuitous, wandering, oblique, discursive, tortuous, rambling.

Let me add long-winded, wordy and windy.

Yeah... actually, I looked up the word b/c I had NOT seen it previously, and I was trying to give him some benefit of the doubt by merely characterizing his comment as a "hello."

I take it that you may be bored with the current bitcoin price situation, and that could be why you felt some need to chime in with clarification and additional observations from your viewpoint?
28313  Economy / Economics / Re: Is 1 bitcoin a decent and good investment? on: August 02, 2014, 09:23:53 AM
I think It is, you can at least expect for your investment to double up. But you should never invest your money that you can't lose.

That is how I tend to invest into BTC b/c i have less than 10% of my liquid investment assets in BTC; however, there are quite a few BTC investors that have put nearly all of their investment into BTC - and some have gotten very wealthy with such tactics...
28314  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: August 02, 2014, 09:18:11 AM
wow, a few member really try hard to increase their post counter...  Roll Eyes

Nothing wrong with that, so long as there is some substance to it.

This from Bitcointalk's very own...

and most periphrastic poster to ever grace an internet forum. 


I will take that as a "hello".   And, hi to you,  Nanobrain. 

You and I have had some difference of opinions in the past, but to each his own, and currently, I am thinking that there may be some attempt to try to turn this week's MACD candle red, before it closes out (on Sunday?) before we thereafter may be ready to choo choo a little bit into the upper $600s maybe later in the week or possibly into the following week.
28315  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 02, 2014, 09:00:11 AM
Classic 2h red macD dump, most likely going to ~580 again or slightly higher


Speaking of candles... it is funny that the Weekly MACD had been red for much of the beginning of the week; however, it appears that this week's MACD is NOT going to  close out red - unless BTC prices go below$570.... What U think?
28316  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 02, 2014, 01:11:11 AM
BTC is pumping towards $7000 :: now haters gonna hate! ;-)

So what was the highest purchase price for BTC and what quantity at that price?



^some whale fatfingered it to ATH ~ Big Wall Street money pouring in ...  Wink



Yeah, but if it was merely a flash crash (upwards), then that's NOT likely going to have any meaningful long-term effect is it?  Or do those kinds of fat finger incidents create news?
28317  Economy / Economics / Re: Is 1 bitcoin a decent and good investment? on: August 02, 2014, 01:08:06 AM
Let me tell you this way..I am 90% in crypto and 10% in fiat just for paying bills. If i could, i would be 100% in crypto, especially in Bitcoin...in my average puchase price, i am around 400% gain in 1 year...i also gained 2,5% (BIG FUC*ING LOL BELONGS IN HERE) in 1 year investing in bank related investment product ...it ALWAYS depends on the fact, how big risk you can take and handle...I want to be rich ass fuck  Grin but i accept i can lose all money for it. So that is why i put 90% of my earnings to BTC..but it's just me Cool

So what is your investment timeline?  And how many do you want to accumulate?   

I am different from you but also similar to you.  I am different b/c at this point BTC represents less than 10% of my total liquid investments.  I am similar b/c almost all of my new money is going into BTC, so my BTC percentage will be increasing. 

I am hoping that my total BTC allocation is going to increase based on BTC appreciation - rather than based on my continuing to invest fiat into BTC.....  but I am willing to continue to invest fiat into it, so long as it remains a viable and apparently appreciating asset...  Only time will tell how the portions of my assets will be redistributed, yet the sooner the better that I would like BTC value to represent more than half of my liquid assets... again hopefully based on BTC's appreciation.
28318  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: August 02, 2014, 12:59:38 AM
So this could be the end of the bitcoin bubbles, possibly. Will a competitor come and dethrone bitcoin? Or, are we just entering a new and much smaller growth period?


That's the one thousand dollar question.  I tend to believe that there are going to be a couple more bubble b/c nothing is really coming forth to replace BTC... NONE of them has even come close to BTC's market cap, yet...
28319  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 02, 2014, 12:53:53 AM
BTC is pumping towards $7000 :: now haters gonna hate! ;-)

So what was the highest purchase price for BTC and what quantity at that price?
28320  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 01, 2014, 09:26:13 PM

What is it?

Bitcoin hodler astronauts launching to the moon

looks like they fell into the cargo room and were NOT prepared for take off... hopefully, no injuries had ensued...
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