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2841  Local / Romānă (Romanian) / Re: Accusing BitsPoker on: January 16, 2014, 06:15:02 PM
Zerothree, while I definitely enjoy your vigor in regards to protecting bitspoker players, I have a feeling that you have stuck into thinking that situation black and white and Cyrus is the one in the wrong. No doubt he could have managed his property better while it was his - right now it belongs to deadgiveaway with conditions of paying half of profits to Cyrus. In terms of who has to reimburse players it's quite clear that it's deadgiveaways responsibility.

From what I gather from this thread deadgiveaway ran out of money and he's the one who made system drain players deposits by continuing free rolls and guaranteed tournaments.

I don't know neither one of owners but this much is clear from their statements. They had an agreement and funds ran out. It was deadgiveaways job to top the account or stop the freerolls yet he didn't. He didn't reply to our emails. He didn't log in to the game or forums.

Cyrus on other hand was replying to messages here and was forthcoming.

Just my two cents. Peace, darling Wink

For a second there I thought there was something wrong with the various ways I was trying to explain things, thank you.
I do agree thatthings could have been handled better(prior and especiall after I sold to Deadgiveaway), and I am truly sorry it has come to this. Alas, nobody is perfect.
2842  Local / Romānă (Romanian) / Re: Accusing BitsPoker on: January 16, 2014, 06:13:03 PM
Yea. We know your name. Mihai Onosie.

We've seen ya in the newspapers.

Curious if those reporters from just the two stories I saw would like an update on whats going on with this disgusting crap. The one from the Romanian News covering the restaurant that integrated bitcoin payments where your picture is up in front shaking that mans hand, and the ones from marketwatch who reported Bitspoker was #3 poker site in december. Perhaps they would be interested, and writing updates to those stories. Perhaps BitcoinPressCenter would be interested in this whole entire disgusting situation and give them the opportunity to decide for themselves if they want someone like you on their website looking like a "bitcoin expert" still. Among several other outlets who might be interested in quality checking your operation here.

Your right, lets end the drama here. You obviously don't want to validate ANY of your claims with actual Proof or blockchains, or screen caps of anything.....
Consider this entire thread on record.....
Not sure why you feel the need to threaten me, or why I should care or be afraid of these childish threats.
I'm going to repeat myself, try to focus all this energy towards something good, instead of making it your cause to threat and 'harm' me.

You were biassed from the start, ever since you started accusing me, I don't care about the reason. I was more than willing to cooperate in the thread and PM with all the replies and explanations I gave you.
Proof for what? If Deadgiveaway wants to post links to the blockchain, fine by me...

You say your line of work is in IT, something to do with domain names or whatever. Weren't you the one that was asking what is SSL in the BitsPoker lobby? - Something is fishy about you Smiley, I don't have an interest and don't care. Feel free to continue threatening, see how far that will get you in this world.
2843  Local / Market / Re: Escrow on: January 16, 2014, 05:40:07 PM
Intr-adevar, nu este ceva obiectiv.
Ai vazut un demo al acelui script?
2844  Local / Romānă (Romanian) / Re: Accusing BitsPoker on: January 16, 2014, 05:33:41 PM
you can add 3.2btc that list. it was only a laon i never saw back as promised. now i play at seals. his name is michael via his email.

I know absolutely nothing about this. Deadgiveaway might shed some light upon this issue.
When I met him, he mentioned that he doesn't want to use his personal name(or at least the name I know him by), so he used the name Michael. One of his Skype IDs is michael.bitspoker(I don't have access to that account).
This has nothing to do with the fact that my name is also Michael(translation of Mihai).
2845  Local / Romānă (Romanian) / Re: Accusing BitsPoker on: January 16, 2014, 05:30:52 PM
Not a troll. Not his buddy.
Whatever.

But I def spent tons of time on your website playing poker making friends with many users there and doing multiple deposits.
I'm not re-explaining why you played a huge part in this, scroll up and back and reread everything that has been said.
I did re-explain lots of things because of your 'confusion'. No need for you to explain or re-explain anything, you said quite enough and I've humoured you enough.

You already said you would refund people out of pocket back in the posts, so are you not keeping your word now?
You are referring to this:
I'd be willing to do some refunds out of my own pocket, to cover his mistakes.
I did refund you, wasn't my job, but still. I am willing to do one more refund.
2846  Local / Romānă (Romanian) / Re: Accusing BitsPoker on: January 16, 2014, 05:01:23 PM
Bottom line is you need to refund your players. Bottom line is you need to return money to dead or the entire property (not just the domain name, the website the software everything). Bottom line is you have manipulated your version of this story in so many casual ways. Bottom line is you drug your own name through the mud, and if you call the romanian sections of bitcointalk forums mudd, you have not seen mudd.

Still waiting for you to make it "right" for all my innocent fellow bitspoker players who trusted you with deposits.

Either troll or Deadgiveaway's buddy, I don't care(your stance is begining to get kinda obvious and boring). I've stated my point many times over.
If he wants his name all over it, fine by me. I'm not the one that should be responsible for refunds(even if I did add my money to BitsPoker after he acquired it and if I refunded you).
And to be honest I still wanted to help out this project, you are making me reconsider.
2847  Local / Romānă (Romanian) / Re: Accusing BitsPoker on: January 16, 2014, 04:35:16 PM
So who owns the wallets/addresses where player funds were forwarded to?
 Was this done manually or is there automatic forwarding in the software?
 What exactly was done with the player deposits after that?
The addresses are generated from bitcoind, hosted on a VPS. Payments, both deposits and withdraws are automatic. Deposits and withdraws were done from the same balance. Main reason why there was a shortage of btc to handle withdraws is because of the freerolls.

My deposit was ~350 chips which was .035 or so BTC.
 My current balance stands at 505 chips.
 Even without the extra 150 or so chips that I won ( from paid tournaments not freerolls) what happened to the money that was sent initially?
Because Deadgiveaway's funds ran out, while keeping the freerolls, most likely it was withdrawn by somebody that had freeroll chips.

I'm personally not asking for transaction records of your business dealings. If either of you felt the need to post evidence to back up your claims it would have been done already. Both parties should have transaction records for something like this.
The transactions are all there, in bitcoind. If Deadgiveaway wants to share them, no problem with me, not my concern.

Not to mention communications, and at least the initial agreement. My issue is the convoluted way in which deposited funds seem to have traveled, and the lack of transparency on the part of whoever was in control of deposited funds.
We had an agreement, that we both stood by. That is, until I had to fund things he should have funded and when I stopped this happened.

I also really don't see this cooling down at all until it gets resolved, and even after that how can you expect people to buy back into a site that has left it's players to bear the burden of failed ownership.
I am trying to resolve this, even if it may or may not be my job. Seems like my efforts have been misinterpreted so far.

This is not a million dollar operation we're talking about. I'd be surprised if there was more than 1 or 2 BTC outstanding that is owed to players, and that's a high estimate.
You're right in the ballpark. 1-2 BTC is a high estimate in my opinion. This wouldn't have happened if Deadgiveaway would have said from day one that upon buying he only has X amount to invest in say, freerolls.

To be honest, I'm done dealing with drama. My name has been dragged through mud by unprofessional people enough.
2848  Local / Romānă (Romanian) / Re: [INCHEIAT] Concurs de Crypto-Mos Craciun! on: January 16, 2014, 04:04:36 PM
Intr-adevar, am copiat suma de la o alta tranzactie, am trimis acum diferenta.
2849  Local / Romānă (Romanian) / Re: [INCHEIAT] Concurs de Crypto-Mos Craciun! on: January 16, 2014, 03:49:28 PM
Premiile au fost impartite.

1. zinodaur
2. M0ndialu
3. AmunRa si bo1ka

Felicitari tuturor participantilor si multumiri Mos Craciunilor anonimi Cheesy.
Sper sa organizam concursuri si mai frumoase in viitor!
2850  Local / Discutii Servicii / Re: Bitcoins on Steam :) on: January 16, 2014, 03:40:47 PM
Mai bine mutam thread-ul pe principal, avand in vedere ca nu este o stire confirmata. Si de ce nu, am putea incepe o discutie despre alternativele bitmit Smiley.
2851  Local / Romānă (Romanian) / Re: Accusing BitsPoker on: January 16, 2014, 03:10:05 PM
Good Response. Avoided again the one thing that can validate you. the blockchains for allllll that money. In the words of my favorite bitspoker troll LoserJoker, "ScAm ChEAt dIe LoSer"
No but really, that sucks you avoid that clear and appropriate question for what is this now, the fourth time i've asked to see the blockchain?
Not looking for validation and I don't see why I have to post any blockchains. Ask the guy who should, if he wants.

POST THE BLOCKCHAIN or regret your decision and how it effects your career for the rest of your bitcoin scammer life.
Yeah, good job, sending threaths.Why are you threathening only me and not Deadgiveaway? - Don't have to answer that, but you see where I'm going.

Alright, I think if Cyrus is saying he sold the site to me, he can transfer it to me and figure out I'll this mess as a true inheritor. Until then, I'm not going to assume responsibility. I'll need the domain and the poker software license obviously. Cyrus, You were not exactly upfront about the situation of the website when I got involved. I didn't realize that there were already complain threads on Reddit, emails left unanswered, and an incomplete site. You really should have simply sold the site rather than making a strange deal with me. You said many times to me that the site meant something to you and I genuinely respected that and didn't want to fuck you out of it like the typical heartless kind of business dealings most people choose by default. You know what though, you really were not that committed to it, or really had no time. I'm sorry, you have to draw a line somewhere if you're not going have any time or commitment that it requires. Yes, I do think we should find a solution and cut the drama.
Yes, it was sold to you and you agreed. I was upfront with you and I think you were too(at that time at least). I wasn't hanging around on Reddit, you did. Deal wasn't strange, you were the one that suggested you pay an amount + 50%, remember that much?
The site did and does mean something to me, as I spent a lot of time, energy, passion and money into it. And for the better part of the time I knew you, I thought you were as passionate as I was. Don't ever say I wasn't committed, the commits done by me in the BitsPoker repos speak for themselves Smiley.

If you want to transfer the site to me and lay on me all this shit to deal with, since you say I am the owner, that is fine.
This 'shit' as you name is yours to deal with. Good job blaming me for it.

For you to say I owe you anything however, is sad. I don't owe you anything.
I do appreciate the fact that you somewhat claimed a responsibility through this post. But yes, you do owe me and don't try to deny that. But we can talk about it after this whole mess cools down.

Bottom line, contact me for the domain ownership change. Time for you to take some responsibility.
2852  Local / Romānă (Romanian) / Re: Accusing BitsPoker on: January 16, 2014, 03:56:12 AM
Out of my pocket = My money = Not money from the website.
Please, chill a bit. Somehow you're confused no matter what or how I say it.


Not confused. COnfused where all that bitcoin went you claim to have invested along with deadgiveaway and where it went among your small group of active players LOL
do the math bro.

not confused that your name is owning a property and business that you claim to have sold to someone. your name is on it? your responsible for it. You have money in your pocket while people have money stuck in YOUR business. They were doing deposits just the past few days im pretty certin, and your like "my money out of my pocket"


still have yet to see the block chain for all these transactions. just one.

where is admins investment blockcain....where did that money go

where is the rest of your investment. block chain

and when you REMOVED it to pay for SAID EXPENSES where is the blockchain for it leaving. please share.

but over 14+ bitcoin on a site where 1 freaking chip is only .0001 btc makes no sense for being bankrupt with what i saw as a 20 player or less active players. just saying

OPEN LEDGER CYRUS! not just ONE transaction you made...where are the PEOPLES DEPOSITS INTO THE SITE on TOP OF the 14+ btc invested. LOL do the maaaaaaaaaath.

Cloudflare Pro is what 20 bucks a month? give me a break. STOP PLAYING GAMES!

SHOW US THE BITCOIN AND THE BLOCKCHAINS FOR ALL OF IT!

Stop shouting. Stop drama. I said everything there is to it. Yes, the domain is under my ownership because Deadgiveaway guy wanted to be as anonymous as possible. Congrats dude! You're anonymous, I'm stuck with the mess. Care to clean it up? No.. ok.

/need sleep.
2853  Local / Romānă (Romanian) / Re: Accusing BitsPoker on: January 16, 2014, 03:53:13 AM
Well it looks to me like he randomly selected you to receive a payout of BTC you deposited. Lucky you, maybe you'll stop pressing for the truth now.
I did what you couldn't do lately. Handle a withdraw.

See this is the mind of Cyrus.
'The mind of Cyrus' is the one that tried helping you run this website since day one. We talked on daily basis, a lot. I tried to help, to put our heads together. Some nice ideas came out of that. But that's all. I tried my best. In your eyes I've turned from a pal(or whatever you considered me) to an enemy in a very short time. If that's what you want, so be it.

This is why I won't login to Skype today. I was on yesterday but you did not message me,
Don't login, have it your way. Just wanted to help you and the situation.

and I on the other hand have been reaching out to players to give them an answer.
Sorry, but I thought that was the thing you had to do.

Would you consider doing my job to be talking behind your back? Who am I to talk behind your back? I don't hold any valuable secret information that you've handed over to me whatsoever. So in what possible way could I be betraying you? What money do I owe you? You've never sent anything to me. You claim I am in over my head, well if that's the case you should have said so rather than letting the site fall apart.
I sent to the project you bought.

Have some shame.
No thank you.
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and I guess you should consider me a friend, because since meeting me you've become richer. Congratulations.
Richer? I merely got a (big) portion of what I previously invested in BitsPoker. That is all.
And seems I am still spending on it.
2854  Local / Romānă (Romanian) / Re: Accusing BitsPoker on: January 16, 2014, 03:51:37 AM
Well it looks to me like he randomly selected you to receive a payout of BTC you deposited. Lucky you, maybe you'll stop pressing for the truth now.
I did what you couldn't do lately. Handle a withdraw.

See this is the mind of Cyrus.
'The mind of Cyrus' is the one that tried helping you run this website since day one. We talked on daily basis, a lot. I tried to help, to put our heads together. Some nice ideas came out of that. But that's all. I tried my best. In your eyes I've turned from a pal(or whatever you considered me) to an enemy in a very short time. If that's what you want, so be it.

This is why I won't login to Skype today. I was on yesterday but you did not message me,
Don't login, have it your way. Just wanted to help you and the situation.

and I on the other hand have been reaching out to players to give them an answer.
Sorry, but I thought that was the thing you had to do.

Would you consider doing my job to be talking behind your back? Who am I to talk behind your back? I don't hold any valuable secret information that you've handed over to me whatsoever. So in what possible way could I be betraying you? What money do I owe you? You've never sent anything to me. You claim I am in over my head, well if that's the case you should have said so rather than letting the site fall apart.
I sent to the project you bought.

Have some shame.
No thank you.
2855  Local / Romānă (Romanian) / Re: Accusing BitsPoker on: January 16, 2014, 03:36:45 AM
Out of my pocket = My money = Not money from the website.
Please, chill a bit. Somehow you're confused no matter what or how I say it.
2856  Local / Romānă (Romanian) / Re: Accusing BitsPoker on: January 16, 2014, 03:23:26 AM
Ok, well if you admit I paid that much and are willing to transfer the domain, how about will you be willing just to give my investment money back and you keep the site?
I don't think I heard of something similar. So you came. You bought. Invested an amount, until one day saying you don't have any money. I stepped in where I could to help. You went ahead and auctioned the site(but changed your mind?). As a result BitsPoker is in deep trouble.
Now you want your investment back?
If by any chance you're willing to log into Skype next day or so(haven't seen you logged in some time) and talk politely with me, maybe we can find a solution together. z3Moons, you're welcome to join. I just don't want anymore drama and conflict - because that's not who I am.

In fact it is sent. And thank you. That validates you a bit more. VEry appreciated and right thing to do.

And please don't take offence to this, but if it was that easy why aren't withdraws being covered.
Would you be willing to refund some other regulars?
I know one guy who was really dedicated to the site has coins stuck...and hes posting here too names NotAllThere. There are quite a few regulars hung out to dry.

but if there is funds to cover it, if this had been dont say last week or week beofre, the site would still be alive and probably pumpin today. I even wanted to join the team at one point before this happened to promote etc. ;\


and something should be worked out with your admin too I think. this is all such a mess.
You are welcome. As I said, this was done from my own pocket... like other deposits and payments I've done when Deadgiveaway wasn't able to make them.

Going to get some sleep.
2857  Local / Romānă (Romanian) / Re: Accusing BitsPoker on: January 16, 2014, 02:47:45 AM
Sent.
2858  Local / Romānă (Romanian) / Re: Accusing BitsPoker on: January 16, 2014, 02:06:04 AM
Well at least this thread is getting your attention now. We kind of need both parties involved here to clear the air for the players. Although I'm not sure any amount of trust with the site can be rebuilt.
 Someone should probably make an announcement on site to the players that are still there.
 As far as anything else is concerned, I feel like I've wasted enough time. My understanding of what has transpired is only slightly more clear, and I'm just cutting my losses and in the future be a lot less trusting of handing over coins.


I'm very sorry this turned out this way. I'll be sure to be more careful in picking people to do business with. As I said, I don't have anything personal with the guy, but he was in over his head(not saying I was any wiser, that's the reason I sold it).

LE: Added an announcement on the website.
2859  Local / Romānă (Romanian) / Re: Accusing BitsPoker on: January 16, 2014, 01:35:05 AM
Kouye, I would have said the same thing- in the most sarcastic way possible "how nice of you" cyrus...
Even though, admin has been completely transparent in all this crap cyrus is saying "he wants to be anonymous" but Admin has been plenty transparent since this got serious the past 2 days while you did "whatever" in Pm's and ignoring people for the most part.
When we made the deal, he wanted to remain anonymous. I respected that. Problems with that too? Would it been better if I released info on him and mentioning our agreement prior to this? I only respected the agreement.
Cyrus you didn't even really want to talk until admin shows up and called you out.
I was talking in here, replying, before he showed up.
I can honestly say that admin seems to be accountable more then you have, more willing to share, more willing to speak up. I'm looking at his actions here and they are commendable, more then your own cyrus. He beat you to that one. Sorry.
By this you mean more willing to point a finger or two in my direction.

1. I just want to note, the point of brinigng up his investment - at least for me - was to show how much BITCOIN (not usd) was invested into the website. The point of this would be to show the flow of coins through bitspoker...if the website is bankrupt and why according to amounts. Amounts are NOT adding up nor making sense.

1 chip = .0001
Plus 14+ bitcoins from Deadgiveaway (Admin)
Plus whatever Cyrus supposedly contributed
Plus deposits from users (me being a multi time depositor and i know of many others)

=  a lot of bitcoin flowing around on a website with a very very very small community for less then a year? Let's not confused two issues here, one being the bitcoin and poker chips being used vs any money that "might have" been joobed away from your admins investment. Two separate issues.
12 out of 14 were the money for the site, money that has been sent to me.
The rest of the funds went into promotions(freerolls, giveaways, etc) and development(some work on the affiliate system, the transaction history page and the avatar, the latter being paid by me). Any other development work was done by me.
Funds ran out when freerolls and guaranteeds weren't funded anymore and players winning freerolls or winning chips from freeroll players made a withdraw. Again, this was a term of the agreement that he broke.

2. If you have no reservations with transferring the domain name due to deads payments to you, you still have the opportunity to do that. I mean, he did pay you. Him giving you money and babysitting your chat room does not sound like 50/50 to me. It sounds like you hired him as an employee but instead he gave you a paycheck. Are you willing to transfer that domain name?
No reservation. I'd be glad if this story has a happy ending and am trying to help with that. But please refrain from saying he "babysitted my chatroom", as I made clear the terms of our deal and his quality in BitsPoker. He paid me with 12 BTC and half of the future profit. I repeated myself again because you somehow didn't understand.

3. Your pushing blame again on your admin, and I hate that when people are representing a business they started and grew. It speaks for itself and you are still doing it. Just because you give someone a responsibility does not mean you don't have one yourself to check on your own product - which you have clearly neglected for months.
I see that you only blame me, this is getting curious Smiley. But nonetheless, I did start BitsPoker and when I realised the project needed more funding and someone with more experience I decided to sell it. Sold it to the wrong guy apparently. My bad.
But don't say that I've been neglecting it, who do you think made the improvements on the website, in the client and so on? Just appeared out of nowhere?

4. Cyrus, if you are willing...Please post the blockchains for every single deposit or contribution that you are mentioning. I've seen a few numbers i think, the most recent one being a .35 deposit "recently" - blockchain it or it never happened. Let's be transparent here. Isn't that what the blockchain was intended for anyway? Anymoney flowing into the site would also have to "flow out of the site" in order for it to be used for these extra costs. Blockchain it.
A 0.35 was the total of my recent contribution for compensating freeroll chips(won't repeat the agreement again, I've done it enough).
Blockchain.info for 0.25 of it here.

5. Cyrus you don't impress me and I don't trust you. You contradict yourself. Your absence invalidates you. Your push of blame around the table makes you look shady. When you spend the entire time pushing blame on to this guy then say "i dont want to blame you or anything" you literally sound like you have no clue what you are doing yourself, nor how to manage a situation as a business man in a situation which as spun out of control.
I don't want to impress you, neither want to gain your trust. But I did reply kindly to your questions. Is this shady behaviour?
As for the pushing the blame. I only stated facts. When I said, speaking of Deadgiveaway, "I don't want to blame you or anything, I think you were just in over your head", was merely saying that I feel sorry this happened the way it did and that I don't think he's a bad guy. If that was too contradicting with or without context I'm sorry, but don't twist my words please.

I wouldn't mind a refund for all of my bitcoins ever deposited.
Ok, give me an address.

I never made a withdraw never got there. My last withdraw I gave away most of my coins, transfered some to needy players....I gave some away on IRC to players who would sign up and deposit.
A bit contradicting.
I was also playng with unsupervised multi cheater accounts - and apparently admin. Not a legit poker game I invested it sounds like.
From what I know, he did took action on a number of multi-accounters. I personally haven't played much on BitsPoker, from principle.

Too bad my entire history is somehow washed from the "history" on the accounts menu. I have my own history from coinbase that shows 1 more deposit then recorded on your site.
The transaction history page only shows transactions happened after the date the page has been added. Maybe that deposit was older, but could be a bug on the page.

I think everyone should start posting their blockchains.

Cyrus especially you. If you want anyone to take this seriously, and maybe you are being sincere and just completely too inexperience to know how to handle it, post the blockchains show where the money is going and went. Back it up with the ledger. Perhaps you are telling the truth and just not very good at public relations or interpersonal communications processes. Either way....block chains would be nice. I heard someone mention a transfer to Satoshi Dice. I've looked at so many players blockchains I cant even think straight right now.

But one thing i do know, is I trusted bitspoker with money and so did many people, and Cyrus neglected it while holding his name on the software, the website, and everything having to do with bitspoker was in the name of CYRUS - yet when shit hits the fan it's someone elses fault and people have to play wheres waldo to find cyrus on some unrelated bitcointalk forum - while all the players are hurting in the website chatbox, the website email (which obviously you use) and the website official forums GAB. You can't blame anyone but yourself for that. It makes no sense and you can't convince me that is OK behavior.
Should have transferred the domain to him after the transaction and all this would have been different. Just out of curiosity, would you still be blaming me if that were the case?
Domain transfer wasn't discussed, but I don't think he would have wanted to have his name all over things as he wanted to remain anonymous. And he still is anonymous. Do you happen to know who is Deadgiveaway? But I do appreciate the effort to dig up info on me, I have no problem with that, as I was the one that put it online. But somehow I'm still shady in comparison to him.
I'll look and post some more blockchain.info links.

I can't be more straightforward than this. A talk on Skype is still possible, would be interesting to see if Deadgiveaway talked to people privately about me behind my back Smiley
As said before, if this energy can be directed towards something more positive, like rebuilding, there would be a silver lining.
Maybe half of what is written right now is done for another reason(maybe I'm paranoid, maybe not)

Deadgiveaway owes me the money I've been putting into BitsPoker after the acquisition. Forgot to mention that, not that I hope to see it again.
2860  Local / Market / Re: VAND 5 GH/s Bitcoin Miner on: January 15, 2014, 11:39:36 PM
eu nu pot trimite pm?
Ti-am ridicat acum restrictiile, vei putea trimite PM acum.
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