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2841  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin the coin that made it all possible but killed itself in process on: November 11, 2017, 02:05:45 PM
Wasn't bitcoin around $4300 in the beginning of October? Then it just continued to hit record highs all throughout the month? So it takes its first step backwards after taking massive leaps forward for entire month and people think the sky is falling?

Yes. Kinda silly, isn't it?


I mean don't get me wrong, I am new to crypto and have yet to get any of my wallets to over a 0 balance, but still... I have been following the news and this forum pretty close. Will be nice when I actually have some money to buy some cryptocurrency so I am not just a fan, but I'm on the team lol.

You might be new to crypto, but it looks like you got a better grip on things than most other people. Many newcomers get easily spooked by the slightest of drops.

I guess a lot of current fears stem from BCH catching up on BTC the last few days, as apparently triggered by the cancellation of B2X and the upcoming BCH upgrade / hardfork. Brace yourselves for a few more days of drama until the dust has settled.
2842  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Five Reasons Why Bitcoin Is Not a Bubble on: November 10, 2017, 11:39:59 PM
I agree with your general sentiment, but there's two points that in my opinion don't apply:

2. Increasing Merchant Adoption

I honestly don't think merchant adoption has been increasing all that much since 2013. And what's worse, I honestly doubt that the amount of Bitcoin being used to purchase goods and services has significantly risen. I'd love to be corrected, but until I see actual numbers I remain highly skeptical -- even with Japan's move towards Bitcoin.


5. Bitcoin’s Supply Is Limited

Bitcoin's supply is part of what gives it value, that's correct. But limited supply still doesn't prevent something from being a bubble. Heck, even Gold was close to a bubble just a few years ago.



Google isn't a bubble because it is a monopoly in its field. Bitcoin does things much worse. Bitcoin is not involved in the production and kernel developers throw up their hands. They thought that the credibility of bitcoin are endless. This is not so. On the cryptocurrency market there is so much competition and if bitcoin is not modernizarea to participate in the trade, it can replace the other.

During the dot-com bubble Google was far from a monopoly. They weren't even publicly traded yet. Google survived the dot-com bubble because they did what they could do best and focused on their core value proposition -- that is, being a really good search engine.

Google became a monopoly because they weren't in a bubble -- that is, they were simply worth it -- not the other way round.
2843  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin the coin that made it all possible but killed itself in process on: November 10, 2017, 11:12:41 PM
What do you think? Will it be remember as the coin that started it all but was ultimately a failure ?

Yes. Pack it up boys, we're done here.


What altcoin could take it's #1 position?

DOGE.


but every dog has his day

DOGE confirmed.


On a more serious note, it's still a bit early for yet another Bitcoin obituary, is it not? B2X is out, but the game hasn't changed. Right now we're at the level of just 10 days ago. That's barely a dip yet.
2844  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin SegWit2X (B2X) on: November 10, 2017, 12:53:50 PM

Maybe the hard fork continue to happen on 16 Nov, check this:

"Mysterious Group BitPico Threatens to Execute the Bitcoin Hard Fork"

Without any serious support this fork is unlikely to go anywhere. Given how such a fork would start off with BTC's current mining difficulty, but with only a fraction of the hashrate, it's likely to be abandoned rather sooner than later.


Cancelled/Stopped idk but i heard they will be another Hard Fork on december

Same goes for whatever hardfork is scheduled on December, without community support it's just yet another alt coin.
2845  Economy / Speculation / Re: Segwit2X Hardfork cancelled/postponed on: November 10, 2017, 11:21:17 AM
I just heard about the rumour of the bitcoin silver, i don't know where is it from but it seems a lot of people are talking about that right now.
Bitcoingold worth nothing now rather than a coin and i'd liked to call that as another trash. But if the recent announcement of the delay of the b2x fork means if that was getting cancel or not?
I still don't understand about the truth.

The B2X fork appears to have been cancelled. However I wouldn't be surprised SegWit2x came up again in the future, possibly with slight changes and under a new name.


Yeah, this post made me curious enough to try to search online for possible/planned Bitcoin forks. Didn't find any except these really crazy one: Bitcoin Silver at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2311582.0 ... gotta be a troll without a website and BTG rip off. I even found a plan to fork off Bitcoin Cash, which is not even funny as a joke anymore.

Gotta say that some people felt these hard forks business would only embolden others to try the same, in search for a quick buck. As laughable as Bitcoin Gold ended up to be, a lot of Bitcoin holders still made money from future trading. Even a 5% instant sell-off profit is not something to laugh at.

A lot of Bitcoin holders also lost a lot of money on B2X and BTG futures trading. I hope people learned their lessons about trading futures for a currency that is not even there yet. Just because it went well once -- with BCH -- doesn't mean that it will work out with other hardforks as well.

About the BCH fork: The way I understood it the upcoming BCH hardfork is only about fixing the EDA mess they are in, which means there shouldn't be any contention on which fork to use. But maybe there's another hardfork as well, who knows nowadays.
2846  Economy / Speculation / Re: Segwit2X Hardfork cancelled/postponed on: November 09, 2017, 01:12:50 AM
far as i know it is going to be postponed for more than a month, or maybe two, but there are going to be new forks on December and in January, of course, but we dont know the real names of them yet.
But i really think that this whole situation with all the forks is getting crazy, maybe we are going to see about two forks every month in some time from now, hahah, this is getting very crazy, but i like the way that it is going.
If it is cancelled, then it is better, but if it really got postponed, it is going to be a good notice for all of us in some months.

Seriously, there's hardforks scheduled for December and January? At this rate splitting fork coins soon won't be worth the effort anymore. People already hardly cared about Bitcoin Gold, I don't think any of the other junk forks are going to get far either. BCH and B2X at least had some sort of community support, but now it's just getting silly.
2847  Economy / Speculation / Re: I am happy that the segwit2x dev team placed high importance to the unity of bit on: November 09, 2017, 12:40:32 AM
Same here. They received a lot of flak for how they handled (or planned on handling) the fork -- and in my opinion rightfully so. But conceding "defeat" was a classy move. It must have been a bitter pill to swallow, especially that late in the game, but they did it anyway. Hats off.

Now I'm sure that the SegWit2x discussion will come up again sooner or later. But then it will hopefully be a less antagonistic discourse, without a hardfork countdown ticking away like a time bomb. It looks like Bitcoin can finally move on -- for now.
2848  Economy / Economics / Re: Wall Street Is Worried Investors Have Dumped Too Much Cash on: November 09, 2017, 12:26:46 AM
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This isn't a topic I have much knowledge on. Does have a feeling no one holds cash due to the US federal government being $20 trillion in debt, with fears of the dollar crashing hard if the deficit inflates to a point where it becomes unmanegeable?

I've heard of cases where people put their money into gold, silver and precious metals during times of hyperinflation to preserve the value of their wealth. I can't say I know much about whether the stock market can serve a similar function of preserving wealth from hyperinflation. What are the chances that the recent stock market uptrend is fueled by investors looking for a safe place to store their wealth, in the event a collapse occurs?

1) I think one of the reasons for the run up in stocks is that there's little diversification alternatives due to bonds being rather unattractive right now due to the rising base interest rate.

2) There's no point investing in USD denominated stocks if you fear that the dollar is going to crash. If people were actually worried about a collapse of the USD they'd flee towards a) foreign currencies, b) foreign stocks, c) gold and d) Bitcoin... maybe.

addendum to 2) Stocks can serve as a protection against "regular" inflation. That stocks could serve as protection against hyperinflation is doubtable, as hyperinflation would most likely crash the economy and take the stock market down with it.
2849  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: November 08, 2017, 03:06:44 PM
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Wenn ich deine Beiträge so lese habe ich das Gefühl die Masse ist schon hier  Roll Eyes

Ich finde auch, dass sich hier so langsam die Anfängerfragen von Membern mit wenigen Wochen alten Accounts häufen. (Mal abgesehen von Prognosen von 7% Gewinn am Tag Cheesy)

Gestern wurde bei mir bei der Arbeit die gesamte Mittagspause über BTC gefachsimpelt und ob es nicht jetzt schon zu spät sei um einzusteigen. In meiner subjektiven Wahrnehmung wächst der Hyper in der Masse

Same here. Zum Glück weniger gefachsimple, aber zunehmende Fragen aus dem Freundes und Bekanntenkreis. Dazu ganz viele Überlegungen ob's nicht schon zu spät sei und ob man nicht warten solle bis der Preis wieder gesunken ist. Und zwischendurch durch vereinzelt Leute die meinen X sei besser als Bitcoin weil Y.

Und dabei les ich die ganze Zeit in den Medien das man den Hype um Bitcoin ignorieren sollte, weil die eigentliche Innovation in der Blockchain liegt. Die Blockchain! Die allmächtige Blockchain! :O
2850  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Increase in value or decrease? on: November 08, 2017, 02:48:20 PM
In my opinion the fork is always bad. Any money likes stability and predictability. This bitcoin can't provide. Many people may disagree because after every fork they get free coins. But I think that it is a very small compensation for the loss of image. To sell your bitcoins you need now if you need money urgently. In the future it will rise in price.
Hi thanks for your response. May I know, when you meant "They get free coins". Who gets free coins? And how?

A hardfork occurs when what used to be the same currency, starts following two separate set of rules -- one being the old set of rules (in the case of November, BTC), the other following a new set of rules (in the case of November, B2X).

Ignoring the hardforks that happened earlier this year, for the sake of example, up until the November SegWit2x fork, there's only BTC.

Once the SegWit2x hardfork occurs, you'll have both BTC and the equivalent amount of B2X -- ie. for every 1 BTC you hold, you now also have 1 B2X. Two separate currencies, that can be traded for each other -- ie. you can use your BTC to increase your B2X holdings and vice versa.

Keep in mind to actually have access to your B2X you need to either hold BTC in a wallet of your own -- ie. a wallet where you have access to the private keys -- or hold the BTC on an exchange that supports B2X. However the latter option puts you at the mercy of the respective exchange.

That's the postive aspect. The hardfork could still go awfully wrong, with both BTC and B2X losing significant value, so there's a certain amount of risk involved.
2851  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin friendly hosting on: November 08, 2017, 02:15:55 PM
Hello.

I have idea to launch gambling website with only BITCOIN currency.

Want to hear your opinion which hostings are Bitcoin friendly and trustful?

Look into yohost.org, namecheap.com and bithost.io.

Of those three namecheap is the most trustworthy, yohost the most privacy focused and bithost probably the cheapest.

Edit: Oh, and there's also zap-hosting.com. However while legit, their dedicated servers don't seem to be all that reliable.
2852  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin vs Ethereum after 5 years? on: November 08, 2017, 02:00:20 PM
Solidity and the smart contracts that run on it are still not even close to the level of security, reliability and stability that would be required for what Ethereum tries to achieve. Unless they get their shit together in this area I don't see a bright future for Ethereum, given that its extended scripting capabilities is the main value proposition that Ethereum brings to the table.

As a currency there's little to be gained from Ethereum, especially since its scalability is just as bad -- if not worse -- as Bitcoin's in its current state. Add to that questionable forking policies (I'll probably never get over how they handled the DAO, but maybe that's just misdirected principles) and the fact that Ethereum the technology can be easily decoupled from ETH the currency, I remain an ETH skeptic.

That being said, I think from a fiat perspective there's still room to grow, short term ETH might even outperform BTC for a while, but long term I don't see it pushing BTC from its throne.
2853  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is bitcoin price manuplated with fake Tether? on: November 08, 2017, 12:53:25 PM
Tether is a ticking time bomb, that's for sure, but at this point I think its influence is luckily rather limited. As in: I doubt that the trading volume of Tether -- fake or not -- is large enough to influence the Bitcoin price in a meaningful way.

That being said, should Tether get belly up we would still be in for a ride because it would disconnect a lot of exchanges, especially the alt heavy ones. Question being, whether this would pull down Bitcoin with it, or whether people would simply move to one of the exchanges that are still connected to the traditional banking system.
2854  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin ETF 2018? on: November 08, 2017, 12:44:47 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-07/bitcoin-etfs-are-likely-to-follow-futures-cboe-president-says


The guy interviewed in that video in the link is apparently an ETF expert, whatever that means. But he says he thinks Bitcoin ETF's should follow about 6 months after the futures market starts up, so by summer 2018. Said he thinks an ETF could get $10 billion after the first couple months. So we're talking about ETFs coming in and taking maybe half a million bitcoin off the table. That'd be HUGE!

That is correct. The argument given by the SEC so far is that they cannot allow an ETF on an unregulated underlying. That argument will fly out of the window if you have Bitcoin futures which are regulated. You can then have an ETF based on Bitcoin futures.

That's quite an interesting thought actually.

Nonetheless it would be kind of funny if a Bitcoin ETF still gets denied after a Bitcoin futures ETF has been approved. But I guess even the SEC would see the stupidity in that.
2855  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: When ICO rush will stop? on: November 08, 2017, 09:09:10 AM
Regulators already came down on ICOs without much avail, so I don't see much changing on that front.

The ICO rush will stop once people stop throwing their money at overvalued projects of questionable viability which I don't think will stop anytime soon. The market definitely has cooled down a bit, but it seems to be rather easy to just pump out worthless vaporware ICOs, so this "business model" could stay profitable for quite a while still.
2856  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: Did I lose my Bitcoin Cash? on: November 06, 2017, 09:48:40 PM
I had heard that all who own bitcoins will get bitcoin cash, and since I had my coins already for years, sitting in an electrum wallet, I thought I was ready for this.

But now I started to read about this, how to gain Access to these coins and it was written that I would need the seed phrase of electrum wallet. Well, you know what, I never realized it is important, I just had the wallet.dat file in a safe Place, and remembering the password I need to enter when making any transfers. This way I was always able to gain Access to the wallet whenever I reinstalled Windows, or changed my Computer, just downloaded my personal wallet.dat file and installed electrum.

So I didn't care that I had long time ago forgot the seed phrase paper somewhere. Had I known I would probably have moved the btc to a new wallet and have the seed phrase in a safe Place but as it is, I didn't do that.

I'be been holding coins for years but without the seed phrase, is there any way to gain Access to the bitcoin cash??

Don't worry, you didn't lose your Bitcoin Cash.

1) Create a fresh Electrum wallet (make sure to have a copy of your old wallet.dat ready as well!)

2) Backup the fresh wallet.dat file.

3) Write down the seed phrase Wink

4) Send your BTC from your old wallet to your fresh wallet.

5) Wait for your BTC to arrive in your fresh wallet. Your old wallet now only contains BCH. Your fresh wallet now only contains BTC.

6) If possible, install Electron Cash (note the name Electron instead of Electrum) on a separate device. If you don't have a second device, remove the fresh wallet file from your current device but make sure you have both the backup and the seed phrase.

7) If you install Electron Cash on the same device where you used for Electrum before, it should automatically import the old wallet.dat file. Otherwise import the old wallet.dat file manually.


I think that about covers it.
2857  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Blockchain inheritance solution on: November 06, 2017, 09:03:11 PM
I'm not sure about colored coins, but have you looked into nlocktime / op_checklocktimeverify in cooperation with some sort of dead man's switch? Maybe that's one piece of the puzzle you're still missing.
2858  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Paying using BTC on: November 06, 2017, 04:51:26 PM
Simply because bitcoin's price is currently too volatile to be used as a payment of those big tech companies. I'm pretty sure companies of that caliber wouldn't want to put their company on a huge risk of losing money.

I'm pretty sure it's mostly due to regulatory uncertainties and less due to Bitcoin's volatility.

There's nothing that would stop Google from converting fiat to BTC at the point of payout and sending bitcoins to their publishers. Basically the reverse of what BitPay does.

Of course the exchange rate risk would then get transferred to the publisher accepting the payment. However it is safe to assume that a publisher accepting BTC payout would be willing to bear with the exchange risk as well, otherwise they wouldn't accept BTC in the first place.
2859  Other / Meta / Re: Help With Profile on: November 06, 2017, 04:15:20 PM
Hey guys, I just need to know how to set my wallet address as my profile location. My problem is that I don't know how to find profile location in settings. Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

In the site header, under your avatar, there's a navigation bar. Click on "Profile". Then on the left, there's a section called "Modify Profile". Here click on the second option, "Forum Profile Information". In here you'll be able to set your location, amongst other things.
2860  Economy / Economics / Re: What if Crypto-Currency market cap is bigger than M0 ?? on: November 06, 2017, 12:25:41 AM
Inflationary fiat currencies such as the US Dollars are needed to keep the economy growing. Would Bitcoin manage to utterly dominate fiat currencies, rendering them basically useless, the world economy would collapse because a purely deflationary currency such as Bitcoin would prevent economic growth. That is, unless a balance between Bitcoin and inflationary fiat currencies is achieved.
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