and a baby will live even longer. So lets teach all babies to write an "X", and give them the vote.
AhAhAH. So funny. Age of vote is determined by the law. The age is not coming from nowhere. You've got the right to vote once you've got all the duties associated. If a baby could fulfill those duties of course it should vote, but that's not the case. |
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I don't understand your post. We "oldies" voted for Brexit because we can see the way the world is going. We are aware that there is more to life than Facebook.
No. You oldie are just too arrogant to even consider that the youngs have good reasons to keep faith in EU and don't even want to listen to those arguments... I don't care, I'm not English. I just find it ridiculous to see this ugly gerontocracy at work. Who said "Youth is wasted on the young" ? I didn't really understand that phrase until now. Its all well and good being a dreamer - but you have to be practical as well. Hey, you have to be a practical dreamer  Oldies are disapointed practicals without any dream. How could they have the right to drive the country? |
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In my opinion, the even more important question would be: Do you trust the average american to make decision for the n°1 military power in the world ?
I would trust very few population for a direct democracy.
But you trust fucking politicians who fucked you for decades? Yeah makes much more sense... This is a false dichonomy. There are plenty of possible systems requiering some kind of consensus between the people and the politicians. Do you think people will agree on taxes increases or healthcare reduction? If the people is not able to do this kind of decisions a direct democracy is not possible. That's why I am saying that I would trust very few populations for a direct democracy system. Thousands of examples show that people are more than willing to pay tax. If they know where the money goes and have some control on it that's all. |
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What are they going to do, send out the Spanish Armada to take it? OH WAIT....  UK should consider Spain's demand an act of war, and drop tactical nukes on .gov held areas of Madrid until they agree to STFU. And that goes double for Buenos Aires. I'm so sick of the endless, over-entitled demands of the Papist nations for free shit. LMK when Spain returns Perejil and the Chafarinas to Morocco, as Rabat demands.  Pff... You do understand that UK army is shit compared to France plus Germany? And are you even aware that France got tactical nukes too? But that it doesn't need the agreement of USA to use it (contrary to UK). EU is a military alliance before anything else. Try to attack Spain and your country will be destroyed before you can think about it again. |
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How can they claim co-sovereignty when they are a lapdog state of the EU?
They can't. Gibraltar was awarded to Britain in the Treaty of Utrecht which was signed by Philip V of Spain in 1713 and awarded Gibraltar to Britain in perpetuity (Good Queen Anne signed that Treaty on behalf of Britain). They would need to tear up that Treaty, but then that invalidates treaties in general and all the treaties that underpin the European Union... Or they could just take it from England as they are part of EU so they're largely stronger... The UK has nukes, spain doesnt, Or we could just stop go on holiday there and ruin Spain completely. UK has nukes it can use only with USA agreements, EU has nukes. Or you could just lower lightly tourist income by stoping going while the rest of EU goes more to Spain as no one will go to UK. |
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The average age of the "leaving" voter is above 50! That just means everyone wanting to leave will have to live maximum 25 years with this decision while everyone wanting to remain are going to live with this decision for 60 years!
Has it occured to you that the "old people leave voters" may of being thinking about their children/grand-children/great-grand-children's future when they voted yesterday? Ah! And how those old fags could know the world better than their children? The good old "we're older, we've got the experience we know better than you" is totally outdated nowadays. Are you seriously saying that someone who was born without internet and lived most of his life without any kind of modern technologie in a world where you never went farther than 40 km from home, is better to decide about your future than yourself? Do you really believe the ability to Google can replace experience? Many of the oldies experienced Britain's exit from the ERM in 1992, and it was pretty bad, the Germans wouldn't take the phone calls of the Prime Minister on the day Britain crashed out. My father said at the time, look at what a mess this is, mark my words, the euro will turn out badly because the Germans just won't cooperate with anyone. Twenty years later, and you had Greece - but the young people in Greece, having no memory of problems, were caught off guard, they were completely blindsided and are paying the price with 50% unemployment and their savings confiscated. I voted to Leave as did all my family, and am glad of the wisdom of the oldies in giving us perspective about the ills of the EU. Again it is just sad to see your way of thinking. This is why the oldies shouldn't vote... You're afraid of the directions? Then change the way and turn! Don't go backward >< You're just refusing to see the world evolve that's all. |
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I don't understand your post. We "oldies" voted for Brexit because we can see the way the world is going. We are aware that there is more to life than Facebook.
No. You oldie are just too arrogant to even consider that the youngs have good reasons to keep faith in EU and don't even want to listen to those arguments... I don't care, I'm not English. I just find it ridiculous to see this ugly gerontocracy at work. |
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Ah! And how those old fags could know the world better than their children? The good old "we're older, we've got the experience we know better than you" is totally outdated nowadays. Are you seriously saying that someone who was born without internet and lived most of his life without any kind of modern technologie in a world where you never went farther than 40 km from home, is better to decide about your future than yourself? I've got over 50 years of computer experience. I started on an IBM 421 I've driven from San Francisco to Tallahassee (amongst other jouneys) How long have you been in computers, and how much have you travelled? and I'm not a fag - either a cigarette end or a homosexual Very well, glad to know you're part of the very tiny minority of people above 60 that try to follow up with the way the world is going. It doesn't change the scientifical fact that the older you get, the less adapted to your environment you are. Someone old has always more trouble understanding the evolution of the world, even if you don't want to admit it. To answer your question, I touched my first computer when I was 6 and went on every continent but Antarctic and South America. |
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Oh that is just utter shit, they're pissed off leave got a majority and now they're trying to change the rules to suit them and then when that happens and if the same result comes there will be another referendum, I would have no problem with Scotland voting to leave the UK but this is just fucking ridiculous.
This guys, this is why I hate the UK, because if the results had been different all of these people signing the petition would have told the leave side to fuck off and we're not doing it again, what a bunch of Autocracy supporting little monsters, the referendum had a turnout higher than the general election so to try and switch the rules up to 75% is just ridiculous and apparently on the BBC they were saying something like there were people who were voting that hadn't voted since the 90's or some such.
And so? It's rather common to see the loosing side trying to do anything it can to be a winner, what's so shocking about it? --' I know, I suppose I shouldn't be shocked that some of them are trying to do this, I just think it's pretty disgraceful given how high the turnout is because they're basically ignoring 17 million people who do want to leave vs their number and considering voting for remain is essentially a vote for an organisation like the EU that really ticks me off they're trying to drag us down with the EU which is inevitably going to collapse anyway. Hopefully now we've got rid of the remain establishment constantly breathing down everyone's necks and calling them racist these people will largely be ignored, you'll notice that it's a tiny percent of remain voters who have clearly signed this position in comparison to all the others, I know over a million is a lot, but compared to everyone who voted and accepted the decision it is thankfully tiny. They might have had a point if the turnout was ridiculously small, but the fact is there were massive amounts of people voting this time round. They do have a point considering that the people under 30 all want to remain while the people over 60 all want to leave. Shouldn't this have some weigth in the voting machine? That the people who took the decision are going to die before even having to assume it... So am I correcting in assuming your suggesting that a say a vote from a 20 year old person should worth more than a vote from 50 years old person, because the 50 year old has higher chance of dying sooner? If so, what would happen if a 15 stone overweight walking heart attack timebomb 20 year old voted??? Should their vote be then worth less than a healthy 50 year old? A first step would be to take into account the fact that statistically a 20 years old will live 60 years and a 70 years old only 10 years. So it seems fair enough to give more weight to the first one. But yes indeed we could go one step further and give each vote a weigth considering the estimated time they still get to live. But that would be incredibly complicated on a very pragmatic point of view xD |
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Blahblahblah...
Again you're missing the real point...
No benefits from the EU??? And what about the international exchange of students? What about research? What about tourism? What about international regulation?
Because you think leaving the EU will help breaking the financial in any way? xD
Please explain that to me! Because it won't do any shit. Please ask yourself why the Sun is so happy about the leaving vote --'
Many so-called students arriving here are terrorists or benefits fraudsters, and don't even bother to attend colleges. No. If you don't attend colleges your visa is revoked. Students coming from abroad are here to study. Research? We don't need their research based on UK researchers, we can do it at home.
That is one of the dumbest thing I ever read. To think that you don't need international cooperation on research shows not only your ignorance of the research field but also your arrogance. Tourism - We get loads of tourists from countries that want to see our culture and our heritage. We don't need whingers who complain because our sausages aren't fat and lumpy.
And you'll get far less once you get out of EU. You cut yourself from 300 millions of tourists that can so easily come to you right now... International regulation - We are leaving to get away from that.
Yeah this horrible regulation that forbids agressive advertisement on Kids channels Sure this is really an horrible regulation.
Brexit won't break the financial institutions. They are doing that on their own ( with a bit of help from Bitcoin).
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How can they claim co-sovereignty when they are a lapdog state of the EU?
They can't. Gibraltar was awarded to Britain in the Treaty of Utrecht which was signed by Philip V of Spain in 1713 and awarded Gibraltar to Britain in perpetuity (Good Queen Anne signed that Treaty on behalf of Britain). They would need to tear up that Treaty, but then that invalidates treaties in general and all the treaties that underpin the European Union... Or they could just take it from England as they are part of EU so they're largely stronger... |
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Seems like USA won this one. UK had the choice between becoming USA good little dog and staying in EU, they chose!
It doesn't change a lot of things in the end but that's a sad day to see a strong independant country completely accepting its slavery towards USA :/
No - thats not quite true. Is the UK the US's lapdog ? Yes. Has been for a long time - in or out of the EU. But have you ever considered that the EU itself might be the lapdog of the US ? Reason I visited this thread (and I try not to visit Wilikons threads if I can help it) is to pass comment on Trumps comments today on the Brexit. I personally voted Leave. And so it was with some surprise that when the journalists today tried to coax out of Trump a controversial remark about the referendum/Cameron/the leave vote, he merely chose to comment that the result was a good thing because it meant that the UK had taken back control of its own country - and that it would in no way alter the good relationship between the US and the UK. I don't think he was bullshitting or riding the wave neither, I think he meant it. This is to his credit. Seems like he would like the citizens of the US to take this kind of initiative also - but who are they going to leave ?Washington DC, the District of Criminals. That's who we should / would leave. Wahou, seems like we can agree on something xD |
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Dumbest shit I read in a while, how can they possibly think it's going to happen??? |
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I've just held up a pound coin, and amazingly, it's the same size as the sun. God must have created the UK Sterling currency. and I thought he had created Bitcoin to save the world from corrupt bankers.  It seems you didn't watch the video in the OP. It seems you still haven't answered the fact that the moon is coming closer ev ery year to the earth. Is it normal to see "gods perfection" moving and destroying itself with time? |
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Here is a ranking of the top world economies United States. The U.S. economy is the largest in the world in terms of nominal GDP (measured at current prices in U.S. dollars). ... China. ... Japan. ... Germany. ... United Kingdom. ... France. ... Brazil. ... Italy. The EU isn't even mentioned, that's how important it is. using arguments like these. The EU is a trading bloc, so is worth the collective value of all members which makes (or made - before the UK left) it the biggest economy in the world. Why are you splitting out Italy, France, Germany and any others when they build trade deals as a group. Well I think you've got the poin t with most of the "leaving" group ^^ |
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Oh that is just utter shit, they're pissed off leave got a majority and now they're trying to change the rules to suit them and then when that happens and if the same result comes there will be another referendum, I would have no problem with Scotland voting to leave the UK but this is just fucking ridiculous.
This guys, this is why I hate the UK, because if the results had been different all of these people signing the petition would have told the leave side to fuck off and we're not doing it again, what a bunch of Autocracy supporting little monsters, the referendum had a turnout higher than the general election so to try and switch the rules up to 75% is just ridiculous and apparently on the BBC they were saying something like there were people who were voting that hadn't voted since the 90's or some such.
And so? It's rather common to see the loosing side trying to do anything it can to be a winner, what's so shocking about it? --' I know, I suppose I shouldn't be shocked that some of them are trying to do this, I just think it's pretty disgraceful given how high the turnout is because they're basically ignoring 17 million people who do want to leave vs their number and considering voting for remain is essentially a vote for an organisation like the EU that really ticks me off they're trying to drag us down with the EU which is inevitably going to collapse anyway. Hopefully now we've got rid of the remain establishment constantly breathing down everyone's necks and calling them racist these people will largely be ignored, you'll notice that it's a tiny percent of remain voters who have clearly signed this position in comparison to all the others, I know over a million is a lot, but compared to everyone who voted and accepted the decision it is thankfully tiny. They might have had a point if the turnout was ridiculously small, but the fact is there were massive amounts of people voting this time round. They do have a point considering that the people under 30 all want to remain while the people over 60 all want to leave. Shouldn't this have some weigth in the voting machine? That the people who took the decision are going to die before even having to assume it... |
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Oh that is just utter shit, they're pissed off leave got a majority and now they're trying to change the rules to suit them and then when that happens and if the same result comes there will be another referendum, I would have no problem with Scotland voting to leave the UK but this is just fucking ridiculous.
This guys, this is why I hate the UK, because if the results had been different all of these people signing the petition would have told the leave side to fuck off and we're not doing it again, what a bunch of Autocracy supporting little monsters, the referendum had a turnout higher than the general election so to try and switch the rules up to 75% is just ridiculous and apparently on the BBC they were saying something like there were people who were voting that hadn't voted since the 90's or some such.
And so? It's rather common to see the loosing side trying to do anything it can to be a winner, what's so shocking about it? --' |
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No benefits from the EU??? And what about the international exchange of students? What about research? What about tourism? What about international regulation? All of that can be done and has been done for centuries without the help of a massive beauracratic organisation like the EU, the idea that you actually need them to do this is a complete lie, because, by your own logic, the world simply wouldn't have advanced before the days of the EU.Wouldn't have advanced as fast yeah. Anyone having some interest in research knows perfectly that EU helps incredibly. End of EU means end of international research and of foreign exchange for studies. You think that's not important enough to justify a mere 200pounds of annual tax? then you got your priorities wrong buddy. |
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Here is a ranking of the top world economies United States. The U.S. economy is the largest in the world in terms of nominal GDP (measured at current prices in U.S. dollars). ... China. ... Japan. ... Germany. ... United Kingdom. ... France. ... Brazil. ... Italy. The EU isn't even mentioned, that's how important it is. Lol, that's only because you're the one making the ranking. If you classify taking EU into account it's in the top 3 economy. |
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I mean you cant really blame them too much guys that have so many depos and w/d's coming in and out that it's hard to keep up and when it goes down people freak out lol
lol. They have to be "professionals" if they pretend to run an online casino. Try Just-Dice and you will see the difference : 0 problem, 0 unexpected timedown and bets are 10x faster. And yet you promote Primedice through your sig ? |
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