Spain calls for co-sovereignty on Gibraltar

[Jet Cash]

How can they claim co-sovereignty when they are a lapdog state of the EU?

[xht]

How can they claim co-sovereignty when they are a lapdog state of the EU?

Maybe Spain has about as much chance of grabbing Gibraltar as Argentina has of grabbing the Falklands.

[bryant.coleman]

Spain is a joke now. They are not a sovereign nation. 400 years ago, the Spanish Empire was one of the largest nations in the world (w.r.t surface area and total population), although much of it was achieved as a result of butchering hundreds of millions of native Americans. Their past sins are fast catching up with them now.

[apollofire]

I think now they are too late but no harm in trying again

[Fortify]

I think now they are too late but no harm in trying again

Spain will never have any rights over Gibraltor unless the people of Gibraltor vote for it. I think the people in Gibraltor would rather cede their nationality to Italy or Morocco over joining Spain. It is devious timing on behalf of Spain but their sovereignty not going to be decided by another country. For all the problems Spain is currently suffering, they should really have better things to do - particularly giving Catalonia a fair chance to vote.

[mOgliE]

How can they claim co-sovereignty when they are a lapdog state of the EU?

Why wouldn't they do that? Gibraltar is nothing but a mere English colony. And now that England is no longer in EU Spain is stronger.

[Jet Cash]

Here is a ranking of the top world economies

    United States. The U.S. economy is the largest in the world in terms of nominal GDP (measured at current prices in U.S. dollars). ...
    China. ...
    Japan. ...
    Germany. ...
    United Kingdom. ...
    France. ...
    Brazil. ...
    Italy.

The EU isn't even mentioned, that's how important it is.

[mOgliE]

Here is a ranking of the top world economies

    United States. The U.S. economy is the largest in the world in terms of nominal GDP (measured at current prices in U.S. dollars). ...
    China. ...
    Japan. ...
    Germany. ...
    United Kingdom. ...
    France. ...
    Brazil. ...
    Italy.

The EU isn't even mentioned, that's how important it is.

Lol, that's only because you're the one making the ranking. If you classify taking EU into account it's in the top 3 economy.

[Fortify]

Here is a ranking of the top world economies

    United States. The U.S. economy is the largest in the world in terms of nominal GDP (measured at current prices in U.S. dollars). ...
    China. ...
    Japan. ...
    Germany. ...
    United Kingdom. ...
    France. ...
    Brazil. ...
    Italy.

The EU isn't even mentioned, that's how important it is.

You're not very bright using arguments like these. The EU is a trading bloc, so is worth the collective value of all members which makes (or made - before the UK left) it the biggest economy in the world. Why are you splitting out Italy, France, Germany and any others when they build trade deals as a group.

[criptix]

Here is a ranking of the top world economies

    United States. The U.S. economy is the largest in the world in terms of nominal GDP (measured at current prices in U.S. dollars). ...
    China. ...
    Japan. ...
    Germany. ...
    United Kingdom. ...
    France. ...
    Brazil. ...
    Italy.

The EU isn't even mentioned, that's how important it is.

Lol, that's only because you're the one making the ranking. If you classify taking EU into account it's in the top 3 economy.

In the last years the EU was ranked 1 or 2.

[mOgliE]

Here is a ranking of the top world economies

    United States. The U.S. economy is the largest in the world in terms of nominal GDP (measured at current prices in U.S. dollars). ...
    China. ...
    Japan. ...
    Germany. ...
    United Kingdom. ...
    France. ...
    Brazil. ...
    Italy.

The EU isn't even mentioned, that's how important it is.

You're not very bright using arguments like these. The EU is a trading bloc, so is worth the collective value of all members which makes (or made - before the UK left) it the biggest economy in the world. Why are you splitting out Italy, France, Germany and any others when they build trade deals as a group.

Well I think you've got the poin t with most of the "leaving" group ^^

[Jet Cash]

If the EU was a trading block, then we wouldn't be leaving. It's because it's the precursor to TTIP that we need to get out fast.

[alyssa85]

How can they claim co-sovereignty when they are a lapdog state of the EU?

They can't. Gibraltar was awarded to Britain in the Treaty of Utrecht which was signed by Philip V of Spain in 1713 and awarded Gibraltar to Britain in perpetuity (Good Queen Anne signed that Treaty on behalf of Britain).

They would need to tear up that Treaty, but then that invalidates treaties in general and all the treaties that underpin the European Union...

[mOgliE]

How can they claim co-sovereignty when they are a lapdog state of the EU?

They can't. Gibraltar was awarded to Britain in the Treaty of Utrecht which was signed by Philip V of Spain in 1713 and awarded Gibraltar to Britain in perpetuity (Good Queen Anne signed that Treaty on behalf of Britain).

They would need to tear up that Treaty, but then that invalidates treaties in general and all the treaties that underpin the European Union...

Or they could just take it from England as they are part of EU so they're largely stronger...

[markj113]

How can they claim co-sovereignty when they are a lapdog state of the EU?

They can't. Gibraltar was awarded to Britain in the Treaty of Utrecht which was signed by Philip V of Spain in 1713 and awarded Gibraltar to Britain in perpetuity (Good Queen Anne signed that Treaty on behalf of Britain).

They would need to tear up that Treaty, but then that invalidates treaties in general and all the treaties that underpin the European Union...

Or they could just take it from England as they are part of EU so they're largely stronger...

The UK has nukes, spain doesnt,

Or we could just stop go on holiday there and ruin Spain completely.

[iCEBREAKER]

What are they going to do, send out the Spanish Armada to take it?  OH WAIT....  

UK should consider Spain's demand an act of war, and drop tactical nukes on .gov held areas of Madrid until they agree to STFU.

And that goes double for Buenos Aires.

I'm so sick of the endless, over-entitled demands of the Papist nations for free shit.

LMK when Spain returns Perejil and the Chafarinas to Morocco, as Rabat demands.   

[mOgliE]

How can they claim co-sovereignty when they are a lapdog state of the EU?

They can't. Gibraltar was awarded to Britain in the Treaty of Utrecht which was signed by Philip V of Spain in 1713 and awarded Gibraltar to Britain in perpetuity (Good Queen Anne signed that Treaty on behalf of Britain).

They would need to tear up that Treaty, but then that invalidates treaties in general and all the treaties that underpin the European Union...

Or they could just take it from England as they are part of EU so they're largely stronger...

The UK has nukes, spain doesnt,

Or we could just stop go on holiday there and ruin Spain completely.

UK has nukes it can use only with USA agreements, EU has nukes.

Or you could just lower lightly tourist income by stoping going while the rest of EU goes more to Spain as no one will go to UK.

[mOgliE]

What are they going to do, send out the Spanish Armada to take it?  OH WAIT....  

UK should consider Spain's demand an act of war, and drop tactical nukes on .gov held areas of Madrid until they agree to STFU.

And that goes double for Buenos Aires.

I'm so sick of the endless, over-entitled demands of the Papist nations for free shit.

LMK when Spain returns Perejil and the Chafarinas to Morocco, as Rabat demands.   

Pff...

You do understand that UK army is shit compared to France plus Germany? And are you even aware that France got tactical nukes too? But that it doesn't need the agreement of USA to use it (contrary to UK).

EU is a military alliance before anything else. Try to attack Spain and your country will be destroyed before you can think about it again.

[iCEBREAKER]

You do understand that UK army is shit compared to France plus Germany?

Yah, that's what the corrupt warmongering regime in Argentina told their people when they decided to invade the Falklands.

How's that working for the Peronistas?

How's that working for all the dead sailors at the bottom of the sea rotting in the wrecked Belgrano?

France won't, and German can't, do anything about Spain's hilarious request to annex Gibraltar, any more than Morocco can take the islands off its coast from Spain.

You can accept history, or you can deal with this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Navy_Submarine_Service#Active_submarines

Spain's armed forces are great at pushing around Africans.  Beating Her Majesty's armed forces and reversing 400 years of UK sovereignty?  Not so much....

[European Central Bank]

what is gibraltar's status? is it a full part of the uk or a crown dependency like the channel islands?

if i was gibraltan i wouldn't really give a shit about joining spain. it's not as if they're gonna send you to a concentration camp and you'd have dual citizenship. guess that isn't how the real ones feel.