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2861  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 23, 2014, 06:00:34 PM
How do you contact bitbm? I tried depositing but their site kinda failed. Now I'm trying to contact them and their site is failing again.

http://bitbm.com/contact.html

Let me know if they don't reply.
2862  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: August 23, 2014, 08:05:05 AM
I should add that I've never Live bet on the site.

If you place your bets before the start of the game you should rarely encounter a rejection.

Please PM me your rejected bet IDs, I'd like to look into it.

You say that you get 80% rejections. Something is not right. I'd really appreciate if you can send me the bet IDs.

If you had a deposit feature, I'd be able to get in more bets. It's frustrating to lose so many.

You can use the Negotiate Odds feature to first deposit the bet and then get it confirmed immediately.

This is explained in more details here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393147.msg7708830#msg7708830

Although you don't really need to do that pre-game. It's mainly useful in-play when you are not sure whether your bet transfer will be sent out immediately.

'Negotiate Odds' is a great feature for advanced users. It provides you with better control over your bets and if you are willing to spend some time it can be used to obtain higher odds for your bets, on average.

In regards to your comments I'd like to point out that if your bet did not confirm and you want to put it on hold you can simply set the minimum odds to an unrealistic number. This will prevent you from ending up with double bets.

Also note that if the line moves back and as a result your bet is confirmed, the confirmed odds are set to the best available odds at the time, which in many cases would be higher than the minimum odds that you specified.

The Negotiate Odds also allows you to lock in better odds even if they get there for just a short period of time, something that you might not be able to do manually.


 Untrue and misleading. If you do get better odds it's that there has been a change in the game that's in favor of DirectBet. The odds have changed everywhere and the player is getting odds that are much worse than market price.
2863  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 23, 2014, 06:06:38 AM
Books -  I have check marks for those with live betting but would like to get a little more specific.

Who is going to have live betting for the NFL? Live betting for soccer? Live betting for NCAA football? NBA? NCAA hoops? NHL? Other European markets?  Will it be every commercial break or continuous? What are the max limits for live betting?

I'm sure that I'm missing mobile betting on the spread sheet for a few books. You can check in if you aren't listed a category that should be checked. You can post it in this thread or PM. Each one is fine by me. PM with any concerns that you don't want posted publicly. PMs stay confidential.

Players - Still looking for feedback on the exchanges.

 

2864  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 23, 2014, 06:01:02 AM
Pocketrockets has a max limit of .2 BTC

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Yes there are low limits at the moment compared to the total investment mostly due to the lower traffic we had during the world cup and while I worked on more features, including allowing splitting investment between sports/dice/casino/all. I switched priority to dice over the past month though.

The return on sports obviously has the potential to be much larger than 1% you get on dice and the traffic will grow for it in time.
2865  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: August 23, 2014, 04:54:03 AM
If I were going to bet on the Mariners vs. Boston baseball game and I chose the Mariners, does the @1.92 mean that I would win 192% of my bet back. And if I were to bet on the other thing that wasn't the money and it says SEA -1.5 @ 2.44 would that mean I win 244% of my bet back? Can someone explain this to me please?

If you bet $1 @ 1.92 then you would get $1.92 back so you would win $.92
If you bet $1 @ 2.44 then you would get $2.44 back so you would win $1.44

If you are more familiar with American odds, then you can switch. On the bottom right above where is says bitcoin, click decimal and it will switch to American odds.

I'm not very familiar with either one. The SEA -1.5 @ 2.44 is in a different category than the money line. So the money line is just whoever wins you get that amount back?
Sea would have to win by 2 runs or more for you to win. Then betting $1 would win you $1.44.
2866  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: August 23, 2014, 04:32:21 AM
If I were going to bet on the Mariners vs. Boston baseball game and I chose the Mariners, does the @1.92 mean that I would win 192% of my bet back. And if I were to bet on the other thing that wasn't the money and it says SEA -1.5 @ 2.44 would that mean I win 244% of my bet back? Can someone explain this to me please?

If you bet $1 @ 1.92 then you would get $1.92 back so you would win $.92
If you bet $1 @ 2.44 then you would get $2.44 back so you would win $1.44

If you are more familiar with American odds, then you can switch. On the bottom right above where is says bitcoin, click decimal and it will switch to American odds.
2867  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: August 23, 2014, 01:42:17 AM
I should add that I've never Live bet on the site.
What sports do you bet at DirectBet? I've never seen the best price, or even close, in any American market. The loss on a push nullifies all plays on quarters and halves. It occurs approximately 6% of the time.

Why the back track on negotiate odds? You already posted the pitfalls.
2868  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: August 23, 2014, 12:36:33 AM
DirectBet- You should listen to Harib. He knows what he's talking about. Even your push rules where you refuse to refund bets benefits DirectBet.
2869  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 22, 2014, 08:47:31 PM
 I'll point out some nice things about the books for the NFL when I see it since we're almost there.

Jetwin seems to have the most offerings for the NFL. 20+ with double chance, alt lines even for HT and -105 total to go along with the 100% bonus.
2870  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 22, 2014, 08:43:01 PM
Hi - minor updates for your grid.

We now offer Live betting, and our min bet is 0.001 BTC.

We offer a generous automated comp system which runs weekly, and details on our deposit bonus program are forthcoming.


Thanks, I'll add the live betting and put up the bonus when it's available.

2871  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: August 22, 2014, 03:40:17 PM
[Using negotiate is the same as making an offer on an exchange with only the book being able to accept it.

Not exactly. If you use 'Negotiate Odds' and set the minimum odds to the current odds (default), then it's not really negotiating, it is EXACTLY the same as selecting 'Firm Odds', except that you are given more options in case your bet is not confirmed instantly.



 Negotiate is not the same as placing a firm odds bet with a sports book.

Negotiate is identical to an exchange except you are only playing against a bot. Your offer can be accepted immediately. If it's not accepted, then you can take it down or leave it up.

2872  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: August 22, 2014, 03:08:30 PM
I've had more bets rejected by DirectBet than any book I've ever experienced -

Would you please PM me your bet IDs, so that I can look into why they were rejected, advise you how to avoid such rejections in the future and see if there is anything that we can improve on our end ?

Generally, to avoid rejections you should use the Flexible Odds or Negotiate Odds betting option.

Consider this :

Instead of placing a bet at odds of 2 with the "Firm Odds" betting option, you can select "Negotiate Odds" and set the minimum required odds to 2.

Now if by the time your transfer is received the odds changes, then instead of getting a rejection you will have the following 3 options :

1) Cancel and reject the bet (just like the "Firm Odds" does).

2) Accept the new lower odds.

3) Wait for higher odds to become available again.

As you can see, using "Negotiate Odds" is superior to "Firm Odds". There isn't really any advantage or reason to use the "Firm Odds" betting option anymore.


Using negotiate is the same as making an offer on an exchange with only the book being able to accept it. In essence, playing against a bot that sees the changes in the game quicker than the player.

Personally, I like to make a bet and get instant confirmation/rejection. I don't want to be stuck with a stale line. I'm sure that others don't mind making an offer (negotiate).
2873  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 22, 2014, 02:20:16 PM
update

2874  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 22, 2014, 04:15:34 AM
If your book/exchange isn't listed, let me know and it will get up there.

"A" rated books
Anonibet A (2011)

"B"rated books
NitrogenSports B+ (2012)
Betcoinsports B- (2013)
Casinobitcoin B- (2013)

"C" rated books
SBObitcoin C+ (2013) *
Cloudbet C+ (2013)
Jetwin C (2013)
BetOWI C- (2014) *
BetVIP C- (2014)

"D" rated books
Coindraft D+ (2014)
Roadbet D+ (2012)
Gobetgo D+ (2014)
Bitbm D+



"F" rated books
BetCas F
Bitcoinsport F
Bitcoinlivebets F
Coinbet F
Sportbet.im F
StakeBTC F
Blockbet F
Bitbook F
Webetcoins F


NR
Darkbet
Betmoose
Fairlay
Cointeller
xbet.io
Pocketrocketscasino.eu/sports
Predictious
tdsports
betxcp
Bitcoinvegas
betabit
altbetfair
finalstake
Asianconnect88
Premiumtradings

* longer accepting cash deposits

Maximum grade based upon time in business:

A - 2 years
B - 1 year
C - 3 months
D - 1 month
F - reserved for books that are scams, slow paying or stiffing players
2875  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 22, 2014, 04:13:10 AM
Books- If you want to give us a maximum bet, you can post the maximum bet in the NFL or major Soccer market. It would be best if it was broken down into each sport but for now I can just post the maximum allowed. thanks
2876  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 22, 2014, 04:04:29 AM
Location and minimum bets have been added.

Books - Can you help me out with the missing pieces.
Players - Ratings for the exchanges are upcoming. If you are playing with one of them then feedback is appreciated.

2877  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Best Bitcoin sportsbook? on: August 22, 2014, 03:36:48 AM
Well i would be betting at least $300 a game minimum.  Most likely between $300-$800 a game.  From what i see nitrogen sports the max you could bet on mlb is 1 btc which is around $500.  Is that correct?


So if someone wants to bet more than that, they going to use multiple btc sportsbooks or do they just create another nitrogen sportsbook account?  I mean if one site offers a bet at -108 then the max bet is equivalent to $500, and someone want to bet $500 more, if the other book is -116 juice... then wouldn't someone just create more nitrogen accounts or is that not allowed?


Another question i have is how fast can a person open a coinwallet account then fund it?  I read the faq and then i read that coinbase is no longer good for gambling?  I would mainly use bitcoin only for sportsbetting and nothing else.  

I'd use blockchain.info, it's been great for me in terms of security, accessibility, and good for sportsbooks.


How much does it cost to move funds to and from blockchain to the btc sportsbooks?  Example let say you want to bet $300 on a game.  Let say the line is -111 so you have to risk $333 to win $300.  Do you just go and deposit the exact amount of bitcoin into the btc sportsbook then after you win, you cashout immediately back to blockchain?  Even if it cost $1, it seems like its probably better to just leave the btc in the sportsbook since you planning to continue betting there... am i right on this?

Another thing.  If you deposit say $5000 worth of BTC into a btc sportsbook, you dont have to wager the exact amount of btc you deposited before you could withdraw the funds?  Example you deposited 10 BTC into the sportsbook but only wagered 2 BTC.  You could then withdraw your entire btc balance?  How much are the fees for this?

Seems like keeping money in a btc sportsbook vs blockchain is pretty much the same thing right?  I mean if you want to withdraw the btc and use it for something else, isn't withdraw time very fast?  But what are the fees for keep moving btc around?
]No fees or very minimal. I pay a miner's fee of .0005 BTC when I deposit. When books pay you back it's either free or a tiny amount. You can transfer your money back and forth whenever you want with most books and you get bet whatever you want. It's different than the cash books where they make you bet 1x before a withdraw. Bitcoin books are a different animal compared to fiat books. There aren't any third party processors and rollovers only apply to bonuses.
2878  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Best Bitcoin sportsbook? on: August 21, 2014, 11:27:11 PM
I looked at the main ones, anonibet, nitrogen sports and cloudbet.  Only one of them shows american odds.  All others are decimals.

Anonibet : You can change bottom left under the sports listed. Dropdown change from decimal to American.
Nitrogen : If should list both American and Decimal odds at the same time.
Betcoinsports : Top right. Change format from decimal to American.
Casinobitcoin : Same as Nitrogen. List both at the same time.
2879  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Best Bitcoin sportsbook? on: August 21, 2014, 10:01:17 PM
Could i see american odds without creating an account?  All the odds i see is when im viewing it as a guest.
I think that you can. Which books are you looking for and I'll look.


Complete Rankings:

"A" rated books
Anonibet A (2011)

"B"rated books
NitrogenSports B+ (2012)
Betcoinsports B- (2013)
Casinobitcoin B- (2013)

"C" rated books
SBObitcoin C+ (2013) *
Cloudbet C+ (2013)
Jetwin C (2013)
BetOWI C- (2014) *
BetVIP C- (2014)

"D" rated books
Coindraft D+ (2014)
Roadbet D+ (2012)
Gobetgo D+ (2014)
Bitbm D+


"F" rated books
BetCas F
Bitcoinsport F
Bitcoinlivebets F
Coinbet F
Sportbet.im F
StakeBTC F
Blockbet F
Bitbook F
Webetcoins F


NR
Darkbet
Betmoose
Fairlay
Cointeller
xbet.io
Pocketrocketscasino.eu/sports
Predictious
tdsports
betxcp
Bitcoinvegas
betabit
altbetfair
finalstake
Asianconnect88
Premiumtradings

* longer accepting cash deposits

Maximum grade based upon time in business:

A - 2 years
B - 1 year
C - 3 months
D - 1 month
F - reserved for books that are scams, slow paying or stiffing players
2880  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Best Bitcoin sportsbook? on: August 21, 2014, 09:48:03 PM
Also another question but why does it seem like all these BTC sportsbook use european odds?  Im only familar with american odds so when i see the european odds, i have to go and type it into a calculator to figure out what 2.08 is equivalent to etc.



All of the books allow you to see both European and American odds. There's always an option but many seem to use European as a default. Let me know if you can't find it and I can direct you to it.
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