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3581  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings for all the bitcoin sports books on: February 19, 2014, 02:30:32 AM
Thanks for some of the input above on Bitbook. We are getting back on track.
3582  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings for all the bitcoin sports books on: February 19, 2014, 02:28:06 AM
Gogo- An affiliate and agent are two different things.
3583  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings for all the bitcoin sports books on: February 19, 2014, 02:21:21 AM
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I asked why the company they said they are a part of does not mention them on their website?
And why the agent division for the company they say they are a part of does not list them?

you have to be joking.

I apologize to all for argumentative tone but got caught up in Gogo's false accusations and misquotes.
3584  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings for all the bitcoin sports books on: February 19, 2014, 02:11:27 AM
This is the most important part

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This is a community effort. We need many voices to properly grade a book. Did you receive a payout less than an hour after your request? Let’s hear about it. Was your email ignored? That needs to be made public. Big problems all start out small. A sportsbook that handles the little fires will not see the bigger fires that can destroy the book.
3585  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings for all the bitcoin sports books on: February 19, 2014, 02:07:54 AM

It's exactly what you said.
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If they are tied to these companies, why aren't they mentioned on their websites?
Of course they aren't listed on Pinnacle's website.
3586  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings for all the bitcoin sports books on: February 19, 2014, 02:06:08 AM
If someone has a negative experience with SBOBitcoin as far as a payout or grading issue, then we will try to validate the complaint.

A responsible list of the books would attempt due diligence BEFORE there is a problem, not after.
This is something you refuse to do, and instead keep attempting to obfuscate.





Due diligence was done. A book is only as good as it's last payout. This may help to explain it.

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Cascade. BetonSports. WSEX. Legends. All powerful brands in the sports betting world. All now gone, taking hundreds of thousands of dollars in post-up funds with them.

Bitcoin books have filled the void, but most do not have the long-term track record that inspires confidence. We aim to fill that void. The Ratings Guide will focus on these bitcoin sportsbooks. How quickly they pay out. How reliable they are. And how much trust one deserves.

Confidence is developed in many ways. Good customer service. Quick grading. Reliable websites that do not have downtime. And most important of all: quick, no-hassle payouts on demand.

This is a community effort. We need many voices to properly grade a book. Did you receive a payout less than an hour after your request? Let’s hear about it. Was your email ignored? That needs to be made public. Big problems all start out small. A sportsbook that handles the little fires will not see the bigger fires that can destroy the book.

Welcome to the Peeps Place.com Ratings Guide. We look forward to hearing from you.
3587  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings for all the bitcoin sports books on: February 19, 2014, 02:03:01 AM
Gogo- We can spend all day on this if I have to keep answering your questions with obvious answers.You seriously want to know why Pinnacle doesn't advertise SBOBitcoin at this time?
3588  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings for all the bitcoin sports books on: February 19, 2014, 02:00:07 AM
Gogo- All the Bitcoin books are new. There is very little regulation if any. A rating is just an opinion that will be changed by fact and opinions of others.
3589  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings for all the bitcoin sports books on: February 19, 2014, 01:55:04 AM
If someone has a negative experience with SBOBitcoin as far as a payout or grading issue, then we will try to validate the complaint.
3590  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings for all the bitcoin sports books on: February 19, 2014, 01:49:04 AM
As explained in the review for SBOBitcoin, they are an agent that is closely tied with SBOBET. All the licensing information for SBOBET and PinnacleSports is available. As with any agent, as well as most pure Bitcoin books, they want to give out as little as possible. We do our homework. Gogo couldn't be more wrong with his assertions.

"All the licensing information for SBOBET and PinnacleSports is available."

I have no fears of SBOBET or Pinnacle stiffing a customer. But I would not be depositing my money directly with either book.
I do have fears of someone I don't know holding my money.
That increases when they state connections with other companies, and it's impossible to verify, and the other companies they state they have ties with are sketchy themselves.

"As with any agent, as well as most pure Bitcoin books, they want to give out as little as possible."

I wasn't trying to verify anything they had not stated themselves. I was not trying to have them give out anything.

"We do our homework."

Obviously you've done none.


"Gogo couldn't be more wrong with his assertions."

The only thing I've asserted is that thus far there are several red flags.

Rather than answer any of the issues I've raised, you double talk and/or try to change the subject.

As I asked in my first post about them - can you verify their ties to these companies?
If they are tied to these companies, why aren't they mentioned on their websites?








Of course you cannot verify any agent or pure bitcoin book. If you read my review I said because SBOBitcoin is so prevalent on the forums without backlash from either PinnacleSports or SBOBET, it leads one to believe that the ties are close. My opinion was stated. The ratings will now be changed upon opinions of those playing with the books.
3591  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings for all the bitcoin sports books on: February 19, 2014, 01:46:05 AM
Future upgrade and downgrades of ratings will be in the hands of the posters.
3592  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings for all the bitcoin sports books on: February 19, 2014, 01:44:20 AM
Gogo seems to be making some decent points.  I don't know anything about him or his motiviation.  However he's correct that you don't want to just parrot what gets said by the actual site as opposed to doing research and making sure the site is telling the truth.

Seems as if Gogo is making quality points. There is no point of writing information on here unless it is validated. If we wanted to read what the site is saying we could just see that directly on the site. This thread should only be for accurate and confirmed information. Having unconfirmed information on this thread can only be misleading for people trying to find a book.
Once again, when you say "states", that means that you are quoting their words. What is misleading? Their ties are close to SBOBET and they have all of the qualifications. Gogo is confusing everyone since he is misquoting my statements.

Many of these BitCoin books are one and two man shops. Poster feedback and payment information is the best criteria for ratings. Of the 6 books that we promote on our forum with banners, SBOBitcoin isn't one of them.
3593  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings for all the bitcoin sports books on: February 19, 2014, 01:19:57 AM
As you will notice in my quote, I said that SBOBitcoin "states". This means that those are their words.

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SBObitcoin states that they are one of the products of Ole Group Philippines Inc., and are licensed and regulated by the Government of the Philippines under First Cagayan Resort & Leisure Corporation.

This is the reason why I didn't want to get into it with Gogo. Most of what he says is untrue including licensing laws and requirements.
3594  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings for all the bitcoin sports books on: February 19, 2014, 01:12:53 AM
As explained in the review for SBOBitcoin, they are an agent that is closely tied with SBOBET. All the licensing information for SBOBET and PinnacleSports is available. As with any agent, as well as most pure Bitcoin books, they want to give out as little as possible. We do our homework. Gogo couldn't be more wrong with his assertions.
3595  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings for all the bitcoin sports books on: February 19, 2014, 01:06:53 AM
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SBObitcoin.com opens at an “A” rating surpassing Bitbook as the top rated place to play using bitcoins. SBObitcoin is an agent of the top sports books in the world in PinnacleSports, SBOBET and IBCBET. Players deposit bitcoins with SBObitcoin and they are then exchanged for your choice of Hong Kong dollars or Singapore dollars. The Asian dollars are then deposited into the sports book. The exchange rate of your deposits and withdraws will stay the same and not fluctuate. It takes 3-5 minutes for withdraws and six confirmations are needed for deposits. Live chat is open 24/7.

SBObitcoin has been in business for six months with bitcoin accounts and seven years overall. SBObitcoin states that they are one of the products of Ole Group Philippines Inc., and are licensed and regulated by the Government of the Philippines under First Cagayan Resort & Leisure Corporation.

There have been no reports of payout problems with SBObitcoin. Both Pinnacle Sports and SBOBET are top rated sports books in the world taking the highest wagers. Pinnacle takes the largest wagers on American sports while SBOBET takes the largest wagers in soccer. The book hold at Pinnacle is the lowest in the industry and SBOBET is not far behind.

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I agree that SBObitcoin is unique in that it is an agent. Because SBObitcoin has been so prevalent on the forums without any negative criticisms coming from either PinnacleSports or SBOBET, it leads one to believe that the ties are very strong. There are players that cannot play with the above mentioned books unless using bitcoins. SBObitcoin is a gateway using an exchange to allow players to play at PinnacleSports, SBOBET and IBCBET.
3596  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings for all the bitcoin sports books on: February 18, 2014, 06:47:05 AM
There have been complaints of small limits with Nitrogen Sports. Since the limits are based upon individual accounts it would be appreciated if some could share their limits.
3597  Economy / Gambling / Re: Please post any withdraw problems. We will be rating all the sports books here. on: February 16, 2014, 05:31:37 PM
SBObitcoin opens at "A"

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SBObitcoin has been in business for six months with bitcoin accounts and seven years overall. SBObitcoin states that they are one of the products of Ole Group Philippines Inc., and are licensed and regulated by the Government of the Philippines under First Cagayan Resort & Leisure Corporation.

There have been no reports of payout problems with SBObitcoin.

"SBObitcoin has been in business for six months with bitcoin accounts and seven years overall."

How did you confirm the "six months" and especially the "seven years overall"?
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"SBObitcoin states that they are one of the products of Ole Group Philippines Inc."

What is the Ole Group Philippines Inc. and why does this give credibility?
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"and regulated by the Government of the Philippines..."

Did you confirm this?

And if true, does the Government regulation mean anything realisitically? We all know how meaningless "Government regulation" of all offshore sportsbooks has been thus far, regardless of location.
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" under First Cagayan Resort & Leisure Corporation."

What is  First Cagayan Resort & Leisure Corporation, and why does this give credibility?
_______________________________________________________________________________ ___________

Hopefully you investigated further than simply reprinting their own pr.




 I'd suggest you do your own research about the laws in jurisdictions outside of Costa Rica. Then look at the licenses that Pinnacle Sports and SBOBET hold. I'm very surprised that you have never heard of the First Cagayan Resort & Leisure Corporation.



Thanks for the non-answer to some simple questions.

It's evident that you simply reprinted their own on-site pr without investigating any of it.


You have made so many ill informed statements, I don't even know where to start. Ask a civilized question and I'll answer it but I'm not going to argue.
3598  Economy / Gambling / Re: Please post any withdraw problems. We will be rating all the sports books here. on: February 16, 2014, 05:15:05 PM
SBObitcoin opens at "A"

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SBObitcoin has been in business for six months with bitcoin accounts and seven years overall. SBObitcoin states that they are one of the products of Ole Group Philippines Inc., and are licensed and regulated by the Government of the Philippines under First Cagayan Resort & Leisure Corporation.

There have been no reports of payout problems with SBObitcoin.

"SBObitcoin has been in business for six months with bitcoin accounts and seven years overall."

How did you confirm the "six months" and especially the "seven years overall"?
_______________________________________________________________________________


"SBObitcoin states that they are one of the products of Ole Group Philippines Inc."

What is the Ole Group Philippines Inc. and why does this give credibility?
_______________________________________________________________________________ ________

"and regulated by the Government of the Philippines..."

Did you confirm this?

And if true, does the Government regulation mean anything realisitically? We all know how meaningless "Government regulation" of all offshore sportsbooks has been thus far, regardless of location.
_______________________________________________________________________________ __


" under First Cagayan Resort & Leisure Corporation."

What is  First Cagayan Resort & Leisure Corporation, and why does this give credibility?
_______________________________________________________________________________ ___________

Hopefully you investigated further than simply reprinting their own pr.




 I'd suggest you do your own research about the laws in jurisdictions outside of Costa Rica and where these books are located. Then look at the licenses that Pinnacle Sports and SBOBET hold. I'm very surprised that you have never heard of the First Cagayan Resort & Leisure Corporation.
3599  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings for all the bitcoin sports books on: February 15, 2014, 11:07:43 PM
Forum input plays a major role in determining each point.
3600  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings for all the bitcoin sports books on: February 15, 2014, 11:02:40 PM
What criteria did you use in making these evaluations?

Some of these books are only a few months old.

Hopefully you evaluated based on better criteria than "They gave me a freeplay".

I can tell you that he not only did NOT ever request any free plays or credits, but he invested his own funds, and a significant amount, in playing our sportsbook.

Your payments have become very fast. Coinbet is also progressing at a fast rate as far as software/interface.
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