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It was 17.22 yesterday, still rank #13
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Just a rough idea
It is a P2P network. A node (A) wants to offer storage space will broadcast messages like "I have 2TB of free space. I will host your files at 0.001BTC/MB/month". B reads the message and sends 10MB of data to A, and sends 0.01BTC to escrow. In the following month, B will send some random request to A, asking for some random bytes of the data (This is to make sure A is really holding all data). B will release the escrow if and only if A gives correct answers. On the other hand, if A does not receive payment after giving correct answers, it will drop B's data.
yes! that's exactly what I'm talking about in the above message but I was suggesting a SHA-256 checksum over a broader swatch of data. But in retrospect I can't think of why this would be more effective then just asking for random bytes as you propose. Also, I'm thinking that it might be desireable to delegate this task (periodically dropping coins in the machine) to some 3rd party "agent" that has greater uptime then the subscriber. A quick look at Tahoe-LAFS is making me think that it over-structures the data (it pulls issues like redundancy into the cluster, whereas I do not see why those issues cannot be handled at the client) compared to what I want. Too much structure is going to limit the applicability. And it seems to have no market, whereas in this proposal the market is just as important as the storage. You may ask for SHA-256 of random fractions of the data, just to prevent the storage nodes from cheating. That could be more efficient because no matter how big the fractions are, the checksum is always 256bits. You may use something like the so called RAID-96 system: http://www.symform.com/blog/tag/raid-96/People may also exchange storage space in 1:1 ratio, so they don't need to pay each other |
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I have been lurking in this thread a while, and I have to agree. What single digit coins are you talking about!? Because I see none: All I see is some crazy bulls with millions of dollars slowly eating up the cheap coins miners are giving away for chump change. The price might slip several dollars, but $8+ USD? Not that I wouldn't mind picking up some cheap coins mind you  But who knows what the market will bring. This could be misleading. Because it is free to deposit and withdraw bitcoin, people tend to hold their bitcoins themselves, rather then put it on gox for safety reason. On the other hand, there are fees for USD deposit and withdrawal, and they could take many days. Therefore, people tend leave USD on gox. |
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$18.31
sorry I submitted with a wrong name "jlau"
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PS: I don't really think Nemesis reads or speaks a word of Chinese. He's the one trolling someone who spoke Chinese in the Avalon thread that I deleted after all.
Yes i was trolling. If you understand what trolling mean, you would see your failed logic. I'm from HK. So i can read chinese fine. Apparently better than someone who claimed to natively speak and write Chinese. According to Prof. Kong, we are dogs, and it is not surprising if some mainlander thinks in THAT way. It is normal if they think we are "trolling" around, take it easy. Some people are used to lick their superiors' shoe, for them,NgZhang is just a piece of cake! According to some people's logic, he's apparently providing VIP service! PS: It is quite astonishing for a forum moderator to make a mistake like this. Is he THAT careless? I doubt it. I agree that the words of NGZ is rude, but you can't interpret his words without considering the context. And obviously, the beginning of the whole conversation is still hidden. Just ask Apple to call you when iPhone 6 is available, and see what sort of reply you will get. |
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Hello,
I am a bit confused, what is a "confirmation"?
My understanding is when a transaction is generated, it has to appear in a block before it is "official". This happens when the block is mined. The transaction will never appear in more then one block (or it would be a replay attack). I think I understand this much.
However what is the difference between 1 confirmation, and 2 confirmations? Or 3 confirmations?
When you have 1 confirmation, and are waiting for 6 confirmations, what exactly are you waiting for?
Maybe you are waiting for additional blocked to be mined beyond your block? If so, how does this make your transaction more certain?
I think I have the general idea, just would like to try to confirm my understanding.
Thanks
Transactions not in any block have 0-confirmation. It is as good as a cheque. You may get the money, or you may not. Transactions appear in a block when a block is found (given that the miner has accepted it before the block is found. Miners have the freedom to include any transaction or not). We call it 1-confirmation. At this moment, the transaction is kind of "official", but still not very secure. When the next block is found, it will confirm all blocks before it. So your transaction in the previous block has 2-confirmation now. It becomes more secure. Then you get 3-confirmation when one more block is found. For most cases, 6-confirmation is considered to be very secure and the risk charge back is negligible. |
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41!
cut off line for 25 guesses. Nobody won except the two that I mentioned.. Verification: a random string  plz don't brute force. 0.01 BTC prizes: 46 44 17 52 91 0.02 BTC prizes: 86 91 71 15 64 0.05 BTC prizes: 25 68 0.1 BTC prize: 48 0.2 BTC prize: 98 I might have missed a number, if you guessed a number here before the 25 bet cutoff then send me a PM. Still waiting for addresses from the two winners I guessed the number 64, that means I can win 0.02 BTC? If so, please send to the addrees in my sig. Thanks! |
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It is in fact highly unlikely that the price will both reach an all-time high and not retrace significantly. Bitcoin's history (albeit short) does not allow for this phenomenon:  Very interesting. But do you see the lows after retrace are always higher than the last all-time high? If this is correct, then we will never go below $31.9 again after the next all-time-high And don't forget, by definition, retrace is the ONLY possible event immediately following an "all-time high", or that won't be called an all-time high. |
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Because hes chinese? (killthelion) Chinese isnt used to pay and patiently wait. He and NGZ are fellow chinese in the same country where telephone cost nothing. Expecting to speak over the phone rather email isnt extreme.
Only u guys are used to being treated like dirt and now see that treatment as standard.
I dont see anything wrong with killthelion. Infact he wasnt being rude in anyway. NGZ on the other hand, acts like asshole. My bet is NGZ rather have oversea customers.
Anyway, by seeing this chat log you can clearly see another character of NGZ. Funny how he makes money by selling tools to miners.
I'm in the same country as Russell Crowe. Does that mean I should have his phone number so I can talk to him when I buy pre-order tickets to his next movie? Like it or not, it's not usual for customers to have access to the non-customer service staff in most businesses. Avalon was never really intended to be a retail-type vendor marketing their product to get sales and providing direct customer service. They're not trying to get as many sales as possible and gain market dominance - that's never been their vision. You don't get to talk to the designers and the engineers when you buy a car - not even when you buy a fleet of cars. You sure as hell don't get to talk to the design teams or upper management when you buy an Apple product. Personally, I'm often amazed at the sense of entitlement to the ins and outs of a duck's ass being displayed by ASIC purchasers in general. I accept that sense of entitlement stems from them feeling like they've been made unwilling investors in the various ASIC projects, but again - you don't get unfettered access to the design team or management at Apple just because you're a shareholder. We've already seen a lot of Bitcoin enterprises reduce their interaction with this community and focus on providing support to their customers through other means. As long as this community behaves like entitled, whiny brats, I see no reason why any Bitcoin enterprise should regard these forums as the best way to interact with their present or potential customers. Do you always make dumb analogy? As far as everyone knows, Avalon is backed by Yifu and Ngzhang. Do they even have customer service staff? Its all thro email and their website. If you can read and understand the fcking chat log, you will see NGZ doesnt have to be rude and unprofessional. Before NGZ went rude, he clearly said that he would only talk to someone over phone with >30 units preorder. Even worse, that guy was just probably a potential buyer, who wanted the first hand information of the availability of the 2nd batch. (Again, some conversation is missing, which looks really suspicious. Killthelion may have made an even more unreasonable request) So please answer me directly, should we ALL leave our phone number to NGZ and ask him to call us ONE BY ONE when their 2nd batch is available? I wonder if there is any CS in the world would do it, especially when the demand obviously suppress supply. |
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Just a rough idea
It is a P2P network. A node (A) wants to offer storage space will broadcast messages like "I have 2TB of free space. I will host your files at 0.001BTC/MB/month". B reads the message and sends 10MB of data to A, and sends 0.01BTC to escrow. In the following month, B will send some random request to A, asking for some random bytes of the data (This is to make sure A is really holding all data). B will release the escrow if and only if A gives correct answers. On the other hand, if A does not receive payment after giving correct answers, it will drop B's data.
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Without miners there would be no Bitcoin or other alt cryptocurrency. Treating miners like that is truly idiotic.
That's indicative for the mining of other commodities. My dad, in his mid teens, and grandfather worked as coal miners in Belgium, putting in twelve hour shifts, exiting the hole literally covered head-to-toe in black soot, hence the term "black lung".  Moussa Koboura (12) searches for gold in pit that is 5ft deep in the Sirguin region, Burkina Faso. The above shown, bitcoin miners deserve the utmost respect, no matter where they reside on the chain. I look forward the reading the entire translation of the provided screenshots, with at the very least a respected member stating either there's nothing to see here (move on), or somebody's eating more than Ramen noodles. It's too long to translate. But the first message from killthelion is "Would you (I think he's talking to NGZ) like to note down my phone number, so you can inform me at that time?" There is no clue from the conversation suggesting what time is " that time". It may either mean the delivery of the first batch, or the availability of the second batch. As BitSyncom said none of these people have actually ordered, I guess killthelion was talking about 2nd batch availability but not 1st batch delivery. NGZ and some other people said he would talk on the phone if the order is >30 units. Killthelion kept trolling and said NGZ was not respecting him, so NGZ said "just now some guy got a hallucination that i ever showed any respect to miners" This is my comment: This "killthelion" thought NGZ should serve him like a VIP while he was only going to order 1-2 units. In Chinese, we say "a man got insult from others because he insulted himself first". Here you can see what it means. BS. I can read the whole conversation. killthelion wasnt asking to be treated like VIP. WTF did you get this form? I can see why he want to contact NGZ because nobody knows who handles CSR. Avalon runs purely on website? then NGZ clearly is disrespectful. Saying these ppl arent worth his fcking time. (typical Chinese business). He obviously think miners are dirtybags. If BitSyncom is not lying, killthelion is just a potential 2nd batch customer with an intention to preorder 1-2 unit. WTF makes you think NGZ is obliged to call him when the 2nd batch is available? Should we all leave our phone number to NGZ and ask him to call us when the 2nd batch is available? Because hes chinese? (killthelion) Chinese isnt used to pay and patiently wait. He and NGZ are fellow chinese in the same country where telephone cost nothing. Expecting to speak over the phone rather email isnt extreme. Only u guys are used to being treated like dirt and now see that treatment as standard. I dont see anything wrong with killthelion. Infact he wasnt being rude in anyway. NGZ on the other hand, acts like asshole. My bet is NGZ rather have oversea customers. Anyway, by seeing this chat log you can clearly see another character of NGZ. Funny how he makes money by selling tools to miners. NGZ made it very clear: he will talk to you over the phone if you order >30 units. If you are going to pre-order 300,000 next generation CPU from Intel, I bet you can talk to Intel CEO directly. |
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This is how killthelion-style miners looks like:  You can't expect any respect from others if you act like this |
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Without miners there would be no Bitcoin or other alt cryptocurrency. Treating miners like that is truly idiotic.
That's indicative for the mining of other commodities. My dad, in his mid teens, and grandfather worked as coal miners in Belgium, putting in twelve hour shifts, exiting the hole literally covered head-to-toe in black soot, hence the term "black lung". Moussa Koboura (12) searches for gold in pit that is 5ft deep in the Sirguin region, Burkina Faso. The above shown, bitcoin miners deserve the utmost respect, no matter where they reside on the chain. I look forward the reading the entire translation of the provided screenshots, with at the very least a respected member stating either there's nothing to see here (move on), or somebody's eating more than Ramen noodles. It's too long to translate. But the first message from killthelion is "Would you (I think he's talking to NGZ) like to note down my phone number, so you can inform me at that time?" There is no clue from the conversation suggesting what time is " that time". It may either mean the delivery of the first batch, or the availability of the second batch. As BitSyncom said none of these people have actually ordered, I guess killthelion was talking about 2nd batch availability but not 1st batch delivery. NGZ and some other people said he would talk on the phone if the order is >30 units. Killthelion kept trolling and said NGZ was not respecting him, so NGZ said "just now some guy got a hallucination that i ever showed any respect to miners" This is my comment: This "killthelion" thought NGZ should serve him like a VIP while he was only going to order 1-2 units. In Chinese, we say "a man got insult from others because he insulted himself first". Here you can see what it means. BS. I can read the whole conversation. killthelion wasnt asking to be treated like VIP. WTF did you get this form? I can see why he want to contact NGZ because nobody knows who handles CSR. Avalon runs purely on website? then NGZ clearly is disrespectful. Saying these ppl arent worth his fcking time. (typical Chinese business). He obviously think miners are dirtybags. If BitSyncom is not lying, killthelion is just a potential 2nd batch customer with an intention to preorder 1-2 unit. WTF makes you think NGZ is obliged to call him when the 2nd batch is available? Should we all leave our phone number to NGZ and ask him to call us when the 2nd batch is available? |
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Without miners there would be no Bitcoin or other alt cryptocurrency. Treating miners like that is truly idiotic.
That's indicative for the mining of other commodities. My dad, in his mid teens, and grandfather worked as coal miners in Belgium, putting in twelve hour shifts, exiting the hole literally covered head-to-toe in black soot, hence the term "black lung". Moussa Koboura (12) searches for gold in pit that is 5ft deep in the Sirguin region, Burkina Faso. The above shown, bitcoin miners deserve the utmost respect, no matter where they reside on the chain. I look forward the reading the entire translation of the provided screenshots, with at the very least a respected member stating either there's nothing to see here (move on), or somebody's eating more than Ramen noodles. It's too long to translate. But the first message from killthelion is "Would you (I think he's talking to NGZ) like to note down my phone number, so you can inform me at that time?" There is no clue from the conversation suggesting what time is " that time". It may either mean the delivery of the first batch, or the availability of the second batch. As BitSyncom said none of these people have actually ordered, I guess killthelion was talking about 2nd batch availability but not 1st batch delivery. NGZ and some other people said he would talk on the phone if the order is >30 units. Killthelion kept trolling and said NGZ was not respecting him, so NGZ said "just now some guy got a hallucination that i ever showed any respect to miners" This is my comment: This "killthelion" thought NGZ should serve him like a VIP while he was only going to order 1-2 units. In Chinese, we say "a man got insult from others because he insulted himself first". Here you can see what it means. |
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max 17.2 ATM, still within 24 hours of my post
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Why don't you copy the whole conversation instead of cutting some quotes in the middle? No matter it is justified or not, there must be a reason for him to say "just now some guy got a hallucination that i ever showed any respect to miners"
i know someone will ask me this question these msg comes from screenshots a QQ group( a software popular in China, like msn or ym) i'm not in that group, so i saw these 4 pics just from an angry guy, who posted them in another group i thought about his words for a long time i also tried to imagine why he said so, it wasted my couple of hrs. but suddenly i realized i dont need to think so much a normal btc guy will never ever say these shit words, that's enough. Maybe someone insulted him first, who knows? I don't personally know him but had some PMs and never felt insulted by him |
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Sending scanned documents payment order number 200000846.
Tell me when it will be shipped?
You can specify the amount of sending $ 720
why the order status has not changed?
wrote to your support, even in different places. No one answers.
Order # Date Ship To Order Total Status
200000846 11/24/12 ---- $8,159.94 Pending Wire View Order
No offense anti76, You sent a wire on 01/10/2013 for this order, long after everyone else and the orders have ended, which effectively making you the last person who will receive these units, and because of the paranoid security measures we take, I am unable to get secure access to change your order at the moment, nor I am in a hurry. I have already informed you in the previous thread I am aware of this order and this will be taking cared of. Since ultimately we are at fault for not closing your order after you failed to pay in 10 days as per Terms of Service you accepted when purchasing Avalon, I will be honoring your wire payment, but I am more than happy to issue you a refund if these terms are not satisfactory. Wow, payment on Jan 10 is really ridiculous! If I knew you were so generous, I would have pre-ordered. To be fair, I think you have all the reasons to reject his payment. I suggest you to hold a lucky draw and the winners will buy those machines. |
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Why don't you copy the whole conversation instead of cutting some quotes in the middle? No matter it is justified or not, there must be a reason for him to say "just now some guy got a hallucination that i ever showed any respect to miners"
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DAMN! I hate when MtGox web interface changes the price automatically (without my permission) miliseconds before I click "buy / sell" !!!
Anyone knows a better platform to trade on MtGox?
Just set the price yourself and it won't be changed automatically |
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High ATM: $16.98 I think many people read this article, The Rise and Fall of Bitcoin http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/11/mf_bitcoin/all/The article was published on 23 Nov 2011, when bitcoin was trading at $2.3, following a catastrophic fall from $31.9. It mentioned that "the bitcoin never got back above $17". It's true even up to now. Are we going to climb over the ask wall and see $17/BTC today? |
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