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28701  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 14, 2014, 05:41:04 PM
This is looking like a 2012 after 2011 bubble, while the infrastructure was not there for the last year valuation ($1200 bubble ) I thought somehow the price will hold for it to catch up..... but it seems that I was really wrong.

I also thought that there will be a bubble between May and the half of June so I kept holding, I bought most of my coins between $10-100 and did cash just small amount of it at the December bubble, bet hell I wont be greedy and watch the price fall even further, I sold Half of my holdings yesterday, This will give me a free couple of years vacation...


Good luck with that (seems a bit short sighted to plan a 2 year vacation when BTC is going to go up a lot in the next few months), and let us know, in a couple of years (or even in six months) how you then feel about deciding to take that vacation with your BTC revenues.  Smiley

this is how I see your comment:




A guy does NOT need to be overly optimistic to believe that your selling below $600 now for a two year plan to spend it seems pretty short sighted... NOW on the other hand, if the price does NOT go above $600 in the coming 6 months, then I will applaud your foresight and/or luck. 

Until then, I believe that the odds are greatly against what you did.  The odds seem much better to cash out smaller amounts slowly, rather than cashing out 2 years worth at this point with a market that will soon be going up (in less than 6 months).  In other words, if is very likely that we will be seeing $800 within the next 6 months... but my investment does NOT count on it.. b/c I am likely to be in for a couple more years b/c I sense that BTC is amongst one of the better places to put your money, at the moment. 

Where are you going to put your cashed out funds in the coming two years to preserve its value?  IN the stock market?  IN gold?  In silver?  in a bank account? under your mattress?  Do you even have a plan?  I hope so.
28702  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 14, 2014, 05:32:10 PM
Just remindin y'all: The monkey is still planning to reverse his daily basis btc short to a long position 3 days hence.

Monkey advises holders to hold, traders to trade, and haters to hate, that the cup be filled.  Drinking comes later.  He said this while seated in lotus position, and I could almost have sworn that there was a 2cm air gap between him and the floor.


Doggie thanks monkey.   Cheesy Tongue
28703  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 14, 2014, 05:29:56 PM
This is looking like a 2012 after 2011 bubble, while the infrastructure was not there for the last year valuation ($1200 bubble ) I thought somehow the price will hold for it to catch up..... but it seems that I was really wrong.

I also thought that there will be a bubble between May and the half of June so I kept holding, I bought most of my coins between $10-100 and did cash just small amount of it at the December bubble, bet hell I wont be greedy and watch the price fall even further, I sold Half of my holdings yesterday, This will give me a free couple of years vacation...


Good luck with that (seems a bit short sighted to plan a 2 year vacation when BTC is going to go up a lot in the next few months), and let us know, in a couple of years (or even in six months) how you then feel about deciding to take that vacation with your BTC revenues.  Smiley
28704  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 14, 2014, 04:41:45 PM
Bitcoin is such an awesome investment, it's now the same price it was around 8 months ago.  Yay!  

/s

So what price the same as 8 months ago?


Such short term thinking, no?

You gotta have a little patience, NO?   be willing to ride this baby in the ups and the downs, NO?

Does NOT make bitcoin a bad investment merely b/c the next uptrend has been delayed by a few months or even by a year or so....

Maybe whether BTC is a good or bad investment depends upon your timeline and how anxious you are to receive a turnaround in your investment?
28705  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 14, 2014, 04:29:22 PM
There goes a couple of months salary(if I even had a job Roll Eyes)

Fuck my life man, fuck it!

It is only a loss if you decide to close the trade.


YEP!!!!!    We should keep these matters in perspective. 

Although I am long... so I consider price dips as buying opportunities rather than panicking or regretting or feeling sorry for oneself over matter that are difficult to control.

NOW, on the other hand, even though additional buying opportunities would be presented, if the price goes below $266, then I may start to worry a little bit - depending upon the circumstances.


On the other hand (I am running out of hands, here), I understand some of this disappointment b/c it seems that we were supposed to be heading to the moon, soonish.... and maybe this downtrend causes a slight delay.. ... even though BTC prices still could be on track for a drastic uptrend in July/August or maybe as late as November/December.
28706  Economy / Speculation / Re: Automated posting on: June 14, 2014, 04:17:17 PM

We are at lower prices.

I will wait for cheaper price under 550 seems OK.. Its bound to test 600 soonish..Yes shroomy i've seen the future Cheesy

Still waiting?

That dude is smokin da crack pipe ..and dropping too much acid for his 600 retest  Cool

The future is still ahead, this is just one big whale pushing with borrowed money paying high rates to me Smiley ( $1.5m borrowed yesterday) , $21.5 million in longs currently, the fall gonna be epic.. I hereby revise my prediction: 500 in 2 weeks  Roll Eyes
If you can't see a double top formation, then you are a greedy delusional bull Grin

Sweet reminder  Grin





I find it reassuring when posters quote themselves to say, "I told you so."    NOT    Tongue




28707  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 14, 2014, 04:02:28 PM
Nobody sold part of his btc stash rebought @ sub 400$?
I did, unfortunately sold in the second week after ATH, but then rebought at:



Had an order for 340, but since we didn't quite hit that on BTC-e, you've got the 400 orders. Have been holding since.

So you have now more than twice the amount of btc you would have if you hold - why is that unfortunate  Huh

Maybe there is some greed going on here? 


Also, seems a little strange that someone who was prepared to buy more at $340 did NOT buy more at other higher price points? 
28708  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 13, 2014, 11:55:32 PM
This price is gonna last until the SR auction. Probably. So that whales can get cheaper coins.

2 weeks of sideways

that would suck



Maybe not sideways, maybe lower.

nonsense, we'll be back over 600 b4 i goto bed....


I would consider any BTC prices between $570 and $610 to be sideways, and I have my doubts about whether the SR auction is THAT BIG of a deal.

Some people are suggesting "screw the government" and let's keep the prices for the BTC low, yet I am thinking the direct opposite.  The govt can print as much money as it wants, so a measly 18 million or even 30 million is chicken feed to it.  On the other hand, those BTC were gotten for free, and people who buy them are really getting stolen property.. b/c those coins should have been in the rightful hands of various customers who were buying and selling through SR services.... Anyhow, any purchaser should be forced to pay premium for those coins... accordingly, it would be nice to see a doubling or tripling of the BTC price before the end of the month in order that the buyer(s) will have to pay a premium price for those ill-gotten BTC. 

Probably, I am being a little unrealistic in my hope for BTC prices to go up in the coming two weeks, b/c I am anticipating that BTC prices may NOT move too much in that period of time.. merely b/c this news seems to cause a certain amount of uncertainty regarding the direction of BTC.





28709  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 13, 2014, 09:29:47 PM

Personal insults are NOT ok but in my experience a common way to express for delusional bulls who are realising that the market is about to crash! JayJuanGee, i´m NOT really pleased with your behavior.

Hehehehehehe.... I must be on to something, I got an endorsement from a TROLL....  Cheesy Grin Wink Smiley
28710  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 13, 2014, 09:22:37 PM
BTC is less fun after I finished buying.  Before, I would hope for low prices to get more coins but cheer when my old coins gained value.  Now, I just wince when prices drop.  I wish I was stupid enough to put the last of my fiat in; alas, I am not.

I had better go earn some fiat.

I believe that quite a few of us have realized that it is good to hang on to extra fiat to be able to buy more BTC on the downswings in order to bring down our average BTC price.  Otherwise, the situation, as you seem to be experiencing, may be more stressful on the BTC price downswings.
28711  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 13, 2014, 08:08:45 PM
For such a senior member here Adam you don't seem to understand trustless, distributed consensus very well. More of a cheerleader it seems.

YEAH Adam.. you are a cheerleader!!!!!    Huh Tongue   Undecided   Cry   Roll Eyes   Shocked











GO Adam!!!!!!!!!!!!
  GO Adam!!!!!!!

28712  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 13, 2014, 08:00:33 PM
33k volume on Bitstamp. Orders filled fast Smiley

Yeah, any reason for price falling like a rock again? Huobi, too  Huh

People probably saw this: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/281ftd/why_i_just_sold_50_of_my_bitcoins_ghashio/

And now the herd is following.
TL;DR dude sells coins because of some FUD he believed in.
Peter Todd is a Bitcoin core developer. FUD = Facts U Dislike.

Peter Todd is NOT a Bitcoin core developer.

https://bitcoin.org/en/development

Facts U Dislike
Indeed, sorry about that. Just a regular Bitcoin developer, only gmaxwell is core.

NOT that I like to repeat any kind of baloney and misleading slogan, such as "Facts U Dislike;" however, on the substance of the topic, Peter Todd does appear to have a fairly high number of contributions (31), so PT is NO small potato. 

Nonetheless, it does seem a bit irritating that Peter Todd would be coming out publicly with some kind of seemingly disgruntled statements that have the potential of causing FUD within the generally accepted meaning of the term (FUD = Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt). 

The irony of the situation is comparable to a moderator on this forum  misusing the term FUD.. to cause FUD about the meaning of FUD.   Cheesy   Grin  Wink

28713  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 13, 2014, 07:45:33 PM
gmaxwell (Gregory Maxwell) is also a core dev and has expressed his concerns about the situation on Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/27lotn/people_dont_realize_how_serious_a_50_attack_is/ci27dpy

He's saying that a pool with 30% is just as bad as a pool with 51%, so according to him the current situation is not any different than before as there have always been pools with around 30% of the network.

Wait, all this time they are concerned the whole bitcoin thing is broken, but they picked this date to all of a sudden spread their concerns? What a bunch of assholes imo, sell their coins and suddenly express their concerns.  Huh

Yeah... WTF?
28714  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 13, 2014, 07:31:43 PM

Please don't insult women's genitalia by using them to refer to this loser.

+1

+2   Cheesy
28715  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 13, 2014, 07:30:41 PM
gmaxwell (Gregory Maxwell) is also a core dev and has expressed his concerns about the situation on Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/27lotn/people_dont_realize_how_serious_a_50_attack_is/ci27dpy

Yeah but gmaxwell just added his opinion, talking about selling coins and actual market decisions is a different story. Not that I don't think the whole situation is an issue it just reeks of market manipulation when someone in that position talks about selling 1000's of coins. Clearly its a free market and Im not saying it should be censored, just that somebody who's in such a privileged position should act with decorum and for the best of the community. As a respected developer his opinion should matter to the point where he doesn't have to talk about his actual market actions like he needs it to add weight to his point.

Peter did NOT talk about selling thousands of coins - instead, he talked about selling quantities in the five digits (without really specifying).  Therefore he could have sold anywhere between $10k and $99.99K worth of BTC - in other words less than 200 BTC.
28716  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 13, 2014, 07:24:37 PM
fuck i gata buy!

 brb


How many coins you got, Adam?  I would've thunk that you had thousands of coins, already.   and you would have largely bought back in in the lower $400s, if NOT lower.

 Cheesy

no... sadly i'm no where near being a bitlionaire

With a June 13, 2011 join date, I'd estimate Adam to have 500 to 1000 coins. But it's really none of our business.

I assume a lot of people here are satoshimillionaires. I'm a satoshibillionaire  Grin
edit: adam is probably a trillionaire Wink


These terms may be lacking in some concreteness for people.

There are 100 million satoshis in a bitcoin.

Therefore, all one needs to be a satoshi millionaire is .01BTC.

But to be a satoshi billionaire you need to have 10BTC

To be a satoshi trillionaire, you need to have 10,000 BTC. 

NOT too many people, even early adopters have maintained enough discipline to accumulate and/or to maintain more than 10k BTC.  Based on Adam's prior statements, I would be really surprised if he had such quantity of BTC at his disposal.



28717  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 13, 2014, 06:56:30 PM

Yes, ... the 30K coins seem to be a test run, and the 144k coins will be a bigger deal... a bit more difficult to absorb


The 144k is why we won't get to a new ATH so that the market could be free from before-knowing massive dump. Only after the 144k auction we'll be set for the moon IMHO.

I get what you are suggesting, above; however, I get the sense that the BTC market is NOT going to keep staying down with each and every pending uncertainty regarding various coins or its future.. .b/c sometimes the momentum to go up is just there, in spite of various uncertainties that may exist.

As many of us know there remain quite a few uncertainties with the future of bitcoin.. for example:  There is the uncertainty of the 200k found gox coins, and there is the uncertainty of the 600k not yet found gox coins.  Also, there is the uncertainty regarding whether anybody, including Satoshi, has control over nearly 1 million early mined coins, and then there is the uncertainty of these many bullshit exchanges conducting off-line insider trading and manipulations of the price with potentially engaging in a kind of fractional reserve banking..

My point is that there seem to be quite a few uncertainties with bitcoin, and a lot of similar kinds of uncertainties existed within the approximately 5 previous 10x bubble (uptrends).  Bitcoin seems fairly likely and poised to have another bubble in the near future in spite of several outstanding uncertainties....... Even though some people attempt to predict exactly when this next uptrend/bubble is going to occur, there remains human control and some non-mathematical aspects that can affect the results:   eg "when" and "how much" and "how explosively".
28718  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 13, 2014, 02:39:02 PM


The bitcoin info network was just 'digesting' the snack the Fed's offered in seized coin

(heh not sure how to tell but i'd bet China took more then 1 piece of the pizza (damn it!)

Searing



Yes, ... the 30K coins seem to be a test run, and the 144k coins will be a bigger deal... a bit more difficult to absorb



28719  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 13, 2014, 07:11:51 AM
Dear god!

https://i.imgur.com/UsTkUQ0.png

I'm scared. I'm really scared.

Are you gonna sell your coins?


No. No way. Let's just hope Ghash.IO stops doing this and possibly returns to 49%.

Guys, 50% is not a magical number. A pool at 49% is almost as dangerous as a pool at 51%.

The probability of a pool solving another 5 blocks in a row after solving the first one is 2.8% at 49% of total hashrate and 3.45% at 51% of total hashrate. Sure there is a difference, but you can't say a pool at 49% isn't something to worry about.

Still it gives a fake sense of safety... I realize we're fucked if GHash.io doesn't do something about this.

I thought that the problem with the 51% is the allowing transaction confirmations rather than whether your pool receives a block award... but it has to do with being able to transact with money that you do NOT have to then steal and then to undermine confidence in the network b/c you control the approvals of the transactions.
28720  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 13, 2014, 07:07:30 AM
Woke up to find my $550 order got filled on Stamp. Looks like I somehow got lucky as the bottom of the candle seems to be around $560.
Any thoughts on volume? Was that our bottom?

Fonzie et al need not reply; I already know what you're going to say.


Even the bitcoin wisdom 30 minute candles show that the price on Stamp got down to $550 for three candles in a row.  I was watching the price fluctuations as the candles were forming, and I surely saw a lot of orders filled at $550.
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