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2881  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: {BFL} Here's a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK at your Monarch! on: October 02, 2014, 07:55:30 AM
So it's 6 AM soon and I'm off to sleep but I'll post the proof as requested. The proof that a Monarch really exists and it isn't just a myth or cgi. Or maybe I spent the last four hours making the "real and gritty looking" cgi renders. You'll never know. [...]

Cool, thanks!!!

PS can imagine your "slime-"worries...
2882  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: {BFL} Here's a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK at your Monarch! on: October 02, 2014, 07:50:54 AM
300 euros in Finland. [...] Maybe I'll edit a pic in this post later on when I get home from work. [...]
WoW, that really is a good price! Do post those pics, please. Especially a screenshot with bfgminer running would be appreciated too, thanks!
It's about average, I'd say. That's $380, and the AM Prismas are ~$560 for double the hashrate.
And when would you actually have those Prisma's "in hand"?
Mid to late October, probably. That's why it's average instead of being worse than the Prisma. Smiley
Ah, pre-order... So minus three weeks (at least, incl. P&P) of mining...
Speaking of P&P; how much was that?
Oh, wait! They're produced in China, right? So some 20+% import duties/taxes would have to be paid too...
1. Yes. As I said, the lost mining time is part of the reason why $380 for 700GH/s is comparable to $560 for 1400GH/s.
2. Postage is included in the AM price
3. Depends where you live

Now, relax. It's not a bad price by any stretch of the imagination, especially for a Monarch as they're kind of a novelty right now. It's just not a stellar price, it's about average for what the market would pay.

Well, actually shipping originally was not included:

[...] Shipping method outside mainland China is DHL by default. Shipping fee is 1 BTC per full set. [...]

But if AM has different terms please post a link... (since I can't seem to find it).

And since we're talking EU (Netherlands/Finland) as you might have read, we're talking import charges too (+20%)...

So I'll stick to my original assertion of this being a "great price" for a unit "in hand" in Finland, if you don't mind...  Grin
2883  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: {BFL} Here's a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK at your Monarch! on: October 01, 2014, 10:33:52 PM
300 euros in Finland. [...] Maybe I'll edit a pic in this post later on when I get home from work. [...]
WoW, that really is a good price! Do post those pics, please. Especially a screenshot with bfgminer running would be appreciated too, thanks!
It's about average, I'd say. That's $380, and the AM Prismas are ~$560 for double the hashrate.
And when would you actually have those Prisma's "in hand"?
Mid to late October, probably. That's why it's average instead of being worse than the Prisma. Smiley
Ah, pre-order... So minus three weeks (at least, incl. P&P) of mining...

Speaking of P&P; how much was that?

Oh, wait! They're produced in China, right? So some 20+% import duties/taxes would have to be paid too...
2884  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: {BFL} Here's a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK at your Monarch! on: October 01, 2014, 10:24:43 PM
300 euros in Finland. [...] Maybe I'll edit a pic in this post later on when I get home from work. [...]
WoW, that really is a good price! Do post those pics, please. Especially a screenshot with bfgminer running would be appreciated too, thanks!
It's about average, I'd say. That's $380, and the AM Prismas are ~$560 for double the hashrate.
And when would you actually have those Prisma's "in hand"?
2885  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: {BFL} Here's a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK at your Monarch! on: October 01, 2014, 10:00:42 PM
300 euros in Finland. [...] Maybe I'll edit a pic in this post later on when I get home from work. [...]
WoW, that really is a good price! Do post those pics, please. Especially a screenshot with bfgminer running would be appreciated too, thanks!
2886  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: {BFL} Here's a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK at your Monarch! on: October 01, 2014, 09:27:46 PM
can some one please post a picture of their Monarch... I will like to see prof customers are receiving the rigs?
Thanks

It's fun to see a post like this as I got a second hand Monarch today for a few hundred €. [...]

So...? Where are the pics!?! That was the request, wasn't it?!? (Or else it didn't happen, right...  Wink)

And - if you don't mind me asking - some specifics please (how much, where...).
2887  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: {BFL} Here's a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK at your Monarch! on: October 01, 2014, 02:40:53 PM
Wow,where to begin,let's see,how bout

How 'bout with [ DO NOT POST SESC LINKS ]ignore[/url]?

100% foolproof troll spray. Worked for me.

Haha, he's still at it? Had'm on ignore already (after about 12 posts, new record I think)

Never mind, one of those cases:

If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole...
If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole!
2888  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: {BFL} Here's a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK at your Monarch! on: October 01, 2014, 07:52:12 AM
can some one please post a picture of their Monarch... I will like to see prof customers are receiving the rigs?
Thanks

You can find more photo's and info here:

Ok, Ognasty was nice enough to take pictures, and I'll upload the key ones here. Or to some sharing site then go from there.

First, the money shot: A shot of the back of the board:



[...]
2889  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Experience on: September 30, 2014, 07:48:04 AM
That is just normal. They have to say what they have to say. Its part of the legal process. If they skip it then BFL can say they did not get due process and all that.
Exactly right.  In truth, none of us would want a legal system where a judge could permanently destroy a private business in a hearing, even if presented with an apparently incontestable preponderance of evidence.  And, from the outside at least, it doesn't look like FTC had that today in any event.
Someone's been watching too many movies, no ones going get anything from this except the profitable business's of the police, courts, solicitors and lawyers.[...]

I disagree with that. At least:
- BFL is stopped;
- Sonny V. goes back to jail (for his parole violation);
- some gains will be confiscated (saving us all a lot of taxes); and,
- we all have a great laugh at the expense of this "unempathetic" bunch...

PS further more, I find your tone (watching movies, illusions et cetera) demeaning and bordering with trolling...

If you have a problem, who's problem is it? I'll let you work that out for yourself!

I completely agree with what you say. I been following this since I met josh in 2012 In London and knew within minutes my investment was gone, months before delivery! I been around enough to see right through scum like him. And he knows it too. He does his best to keep people who know what he is on side as he did with pg, and he got burned by him!

And because I've spent the time finding the true history (I actually had about 10 police officers last night all listening to me about them being used and how they are going to be fucked over last night, even they know something's not right to the point of taking notes from a seemingly piss head) and a want and will to seek it out you want to call me a troll. Truth is stranger than fiction. Look up the khazararian's, that's a good starting point for you. And how the roman empires postal service became the spy network (Germany much???) And the benzitines took the idea of religion and state further than the romans did. 1000s of years of manipulation as made people zombified pieces of flesh and blood with no guts. Weak and perfetic.

Listen dude, I'm in the same boat! But even in a minority of 1, truth is still the truth! I just never let schooling get in the way of my education!

Peace bro, no offense ever intended and I can't teach, you can only teach yourself (Henze schooling is just programming!)

Dude, really... I was in Yugoslavia in '91 and '94. You want to "teach" me about history, manipulation et cetera?!? Funny...

But that sj.. is still off topic here and both your tone as well as ranting are making you look bad, so your message does NOT come across...

Consider that (and grow up).
2890  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Experience on: September 30, 2014, 07:26:38 AM
That is just normal. They have to say what they have to say. Its part of the legal process. If they skip it then BFL can say they did not get due process and all that.
Exactly right.  In truth, none of us would want a legal system where a judge could permanently destroy a private business in a hearing, even if presented with an apparently incontestable preponderance of evidence.  And, from the outside at least, it doesn't look like FTC had that today in any event.
Someone's been watching too many movies, no ones going get anything from this except the profitable business's of the police, courts, solicitors and lawyers.[...]

I disagree with that. At least:
- BFL is stopped;
- Sonny V. goes back to jail (for his parole violation);
- some gains will be confiscated (saving us all a lot of taxes); and,
- we all have a great laugh at the expense of this "unempathetic" bunch...

PS further more, I find your tone (watching movies, illusions et cetera) demeaning and bordering with trolling...
2891  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Experience on: September 29, 2014, 10:02:57 PM
[...] here we are 36 hours later, the curtain having fallen and BFL surely has to now be out of business.[...]

Unfortunately, just as it seems the alphabet agencies seem to have grasped what BTC is about there are still enough judges around who do not seem to understand (or are just "following procedure" for procedure's sake):

http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/news/2014/09/29/federal-magistrate-will-mediate-butterfly-labs-ftc.html?page=all

"Both parties were in court Monday morning as the FTC sought an injunction that would effectively extend that restraining order. A lawyer for the FTC said it was important to conserve the company’s assets to allow for future consumer redress.

However, U.S. District Court Judge Brian Wimes, who is presiding over the case, asked both sides whether a plan might be reached that would allow Butterfly Labs to resume business but still protect consumers.

He extended the restraining order until Friday to give the sides time to reach a deal, before adjourning to allow both parties to negotiate. By noon, he had appointed U.S. Magistrate John Maughmer to mediate the discussions, which were ongoing.
"
2892  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Experience on: September 29, 2014, 01:18:49 PM
[...] there is no honor amongst thieves... Because it might seem someone is getting of "scott free", but he has been set up for a life of hiding and looking over his shoulder. This - presumably, I haven't found the source doc yet - can be read in the FTC documentation:

[...]"Former employees and Mr. Zerlan, admitted that Defendants mined Bitcoins with customer equipment."


And here are thew sources:

Hello everyone I figure you might all be interested in reading Josh Zerlan's deposition.

This is on a freely available sight that archives acced court records.
PT 1. http://ia902308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.42.20.pdf
PT 2. http://ia902308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.42.19.pdf

And here is the FTC's rational for the court to order a preliminary injunction.
http://ia902308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.42.0.pdf

and here is some additional info:
http://ia902308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.42.1.pdf report of an FTC investigator
http://ia902308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.42.2.pdf
http://ia902308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.42.4.pdf pictures of them mining with your machines

This one includes a chat with the principals:
http://ia902308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.42.7.pdf

You're not going to believe it, but Josh was the White Knight in all of this. He constantly champions honesty and divulging a proper timeline to customers. He was the one guy with some intelligence on how things should be run but no one wanted to listen to him. He's getting a bad rap and I know some of it is on him but see if the chats don't at least change you mind about some things.


I don't see anyway that BFL gets control back of the company after reading that chat. NAIL IN THE COFFIN.


Thanks! Ubercool,

but if I look at the dates I don't come to the conclusion of "Josh [being] the White Knight in all of this".

I see someone who's "selling out" and "leaving the sinking ship"...

That sounds more like the Josh we have all got to know these last couple of years...
2893  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Experience on: September 29, 2014, 07:39:08 AM
[...]Hope you hid enough to retire[...]
Why would you hope that Charles?
You sir have a good point!!
Regarding idle hopes or your name, sir?  Wink
Idle hopes. [...] Avatar represents an old friend of the family
Then: to idle hopes, friends & family (we drink)!!! [...]PS no chance those connections could help solve this issue in a bit more speedy and gentlemanly fashion...?  Wink

Hahaha no, would never leverage those connections on something that will ultimately be addressed by the feds.

If someone gets off scott free and gets cocky then perhaps.

Although some might argue there is little difference between the two, I certainly understand that sir...

But it doesn't seem there's even "need" for it, as there is no honor amongst thieves... Because it might seem someone is getting of "scott free", but he has been set up for a life of hiding and looking over his shoulder. This - presumably, I haven't found the source doc yet - can be read in the FTC documentation:

[...]"Former employees and Mr. Zerlan, admitted that Defendants mined Bitcoins with customer equipment."
2894  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Experience on: September 28, 2014, 08:25:48 PM
[...]Hope you hid enough to retire[...]
Why would you hope that Charles?
You sir have a good point!!
Regarding idle hopes or your name, sir?  Wink
Idle hopes.

Avatar represents an old friend of the family

Then: to idle hopes, friends & family (we drink)!!!

PS no chance those connections could help solve this issue in a bit more speedy and gentlemanly fashion...?  Wink
2895  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Experience on: September 28, 2014, 07:32:56 PM
[...]Hope you hid enough to retire[...]
Why would you hope that Charles?
You sir have a good point!!

Regarding idle hopes or your name, sir?  Wink
2896  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Experience on: September 28, 2014, 05:46:22 PM
[...]Hope you hid enough to retire[...]

Why would you hope that Charles?
2897  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Experience on: September 26, 2014, 06:25:18 PM
[...]

You still don't get it, right? Don't worry, with questions just mail eljreceiver@spencerfane.com or call 816-292-8316 and #ASKFTC
2898  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Experience on: September 25, 2014, 11:27:40 PM
The only one that is morally, ethically and intellectually bankrupt here is you, Mr. Wasp, I mean Darin Bicknell.  How's your illegal school going?

WoW! Let's #ASKFTC what they think about that...  Roll Eyes

xstr8guy said it all, better listen to that free advice...

Darin Bicknell is not a customer, so lets see the report to the FTC would boil down to this: "Someone is meaning mean to me on the internet!" Darin Bicknell is a morally, ethically and intellectually bankrupt individual who fled to Malasia to escape prosecution in his home Canada and now runs an "school" there, as I understand it.  He continues to attack me personally without evidence, facts or even logic... He continues to post false information and lies (though I do admit, he's not the only one.)  So please, do tell as to how me pointing that out is somehow antagonistic or even unexpected?


Dude... Better call Saul!
2899  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Experience on: September 25, 2014, 11:17:50 PM
The only one that is morally, ethically and intellectually bankrupt here is you, Mr. Wasp, I mean Darin Bicknell.  How's your illegal school going?

WoW! Let's #ASKFTC what they think about that...  Roll Eyes

xstr8guy said it all, better listen to that free advice...
2900  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: What to buy.... on: September 25, 2014, 09:07:35 PM
Try to get your hands on an second-hand Antminer S3; they were 0,66 BTC new so (with current BTC prices) you should be able to find one at about £150.
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