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2901  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: November 29, 2015, 07:11:04 AM
can anyone post a working bat for a 750 ti ? ive searched high and low and only find discussions about the various issues with it . (the 750 ti)
my current batch is  ethminer.exe -F http://eth1.nanopool.org:8888/0x"walletaddress" -G.
i cant tell if im actually minining. never says accepted share or whatever. and slows my pc to a semi freeze.
anyone know whats wrong?



It won't work in Windows base. You have to run in Linux and use "-U" instead of "-G" to get the best result.

. weird. the ethereum forum had plenty of posters mining with windows.  somthing about after block 30,000. 750ti no work. tried the farm recheck thing no diff.
whatever... i gave it my best shot, crashed my pc numerous times . i give up. its not like id have got rich or anything. was just  tryin to learn command line stuff an such.
ill just go back to my normal shitcoin staking and bitcoin mining. thanx anyway. happy thanxgiving everyone

i'm mining on windows with 280x..pretty stable...i'm on amd and you are on nvidia, i don't know if there are issues for your card.

when do you get the crashes?immediately? or later?

it doesn't show "accepted share" you will get "getting work package" ... "got work package"..hash..hash.." "submitted and accepted"

anyway..insufficient power supply will crash your pc since your GPU won't have enough power when mining starts.

maybe your GPU needs new thermal paste, had a few crashes before and the culprit was one of my 280x overheating.

i recommend to run furmark stress test for 15mins..see if you have issues with power and GPU before looking for other solutions
2902  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 28, 2015, 12:20:02 AM
friendly reminder to stop directly quoting known trolls as arielbit (see his post history)



I do know he was posting troll-like comments, but as long as he can have a civil discussion, I see no issue with it.

The issue is that most of us have arielbit on ignore and you directly quoting his lenghty posts is interfering with that ...  why not just blank out his comments like most of us do with trolls
when feeling like responding to troll posts ? (this goes for everyone by the way)
 

I think I've got here earlier than you  Tongue



besides I'm reminiscing the fate of GPU's on X11 mining with dash.. and having a converse with a miner developer gives great insight.



In this thread, yes, but check our signup dates Wink

Besides, I can tell you aren't posting with malice.

@ ceti

Wolf0 and I are still on Feb 2014...we haven't got to 2015 yet

@ wolf0

before we got derailed by these hounds...what is the effect of the fork on GPU mining that i posted earlier?
2903  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 28, 2015, 12:05:43 AM
friendly reminder to stop directly quoting known trolls as arielbit (see his post history)



I do know he was posting troll-like comments, but as long as he can have a civil discussion, I see no issue with it.

The issue is that most of us have arielbit on ignore and you directly quoting his lenghty posts is interfering with that ...  why not just blank out his comments like most of us do with trolls
when feeling like responding to troll posts ? (this goes for everyone by the way)
 

I think I've got here earlier than you  Tongue



besides I'm reminiscing the fate of GPU's on X11 mining with dash.. and having a converse with a miner developer gives great insight.

2904  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 27, 2015, 11:43:48 PM
The idea behind the launch of XCode and X11 was to have a brand new algorithm. My code was based off of Litcoin, Quark (a few of the hashes) and Primecoin (difficulty algorithm). I went and looked up all of the SHA3 candidates and took the rest, then I removed a lot of the logical switches from the hashing algo that quark used.

I wanted to create a new algorithm, so that we went through the same stages as Bitcoin and Litecoin did. First CPU, GPU, FPGA, then ASIC. That's the general path that these currencies go down and I thought, since the two most successful followed that, my currency should as well. As for the GPU miner, it was contracted for a few hundred dollars worth of Dash and we got a miner that was pretty much unoptimized. But that was really good for the time and allowed a good portion of time for the network to update to GPUs without making CPU mining unprofitable instantaneously.

Quote
After a spike in the Darkcoin network hashrate in early February 2014, it was speculated that someone might have made a GPU miner and thus a bounty of over 3000 DRKs was given in order to assist in the creation of a GPU miner client that could be publicly available, for fairness reasons.

That's pretty much exactly what happened.

this should be edited again..Evan made a statement

https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/X11 Created by Balazs Kiraly, last modified on Jun 01, 2015

I wouldn't say "a few hashes" about quark though 6 is still greater than 5.

and what would be the effect of this fork on GPU mining? is it limiting?policing?




What do you mean by "a few hashves about quark"?

And what fork are you talking about?


The idea behind the launch of XCode and X11 was to have a brand new algorithm. My code was based off of Litcoin, Quark (a few of the hashes) and Primecoin (difficulty algorithm). I went and looked up all of the SHA3 candidates and took the rest, then I removed a lot of the logical switches from the hashing algo that quark used.

I wanted to create a new algorithm, so that we went through the same stages as Bitcoin and Litecoin did. First CPU, GPU, FPGA, then ASIC. That's the general path that these currencies go down and I thought, since the two most successful followed that, my currency should as well. As for the GPU miner, it was contracted for a few hundred dollars worth of Dash and we got a miner that was pretty much unoptimized. But that was really good for the time and allowed a good portion of time for the network to update to GPUs without making CPU mining unprofitable instantaneously.

Quote
After a spike in the Darkcoin network hashrate in early February 2014, it was speculated that someone might have made a GPU miner and thus a bounty of over 3000 DRKs was given in order to assist in the creation of a GPU miner client that could be publicly available, for fairness reasons.

That's pretty much exactly what happened.

this is the link of the image
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg5132266#msg5132266
2905  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 27, 2015, 11:25:53 PM
Well, duh, of course it was CPU-only at the start. I'm asking if the intent was to make it easier on GPUs than Quark.

I think he just did it his own way, as he didn't know about Quark, which is the impression I got long ago when I asked - don't ask me to find proof, I'll not waste my time.  Just giving you an answer if you're interested.

I suppose it's possible. Meh, hardly matters, I suppose. I just want to know his intentions for the PoW - what qualities he wanted it to have.

I think Evan should chime in..that is the best answer

even at https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/X11 Created by Balazs Kiraly, last modified on Jun 01, 2015
_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________
the author said:

It was probably inspired by the chained-hashing approach of Quark, adding further “depth” and complexity by increasing the number of hashes, yet it differs from Quark in that the rounds of hashes are determined a priori instead of having some hashes being randomly picked.

The X11 algorithm uses multiple rounds of 11 different hashes (blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo), thus making it one of the safest and more sophisticated cryptographic hashes in use by modern cryptocurrencies.

The name X11 is not related to the open source GUI server that provides a graphical interface to unix/linux users.


Balanced CPU/GPU mining

When Darkcoin was initially launched with X11, it was only mineable through CPU mining programs. After a spike in the Darkcoin network hashrate in early February 2014, it was speculated that someone might have made a GPU miner and thus a bounty of over 3000 DRKs was given in order to assist in the creation of a GPU miner client that could be publicly available, for fairness reasons.

By mid-February the GPU client was launched and by late-February it was optimized for higher hashrates. At the same time, the CPU mining clients evolved to increase their speed by using the SSE2/3/4, AVX and AES instruction sets.

At that point it became evident that the hashrate difference between GPU and CPU implementations were not that chaotic, although GPUs still took the crown in terms of energy efficiency. Top of the line and tuned CPUs, like a 6-core i7s running at 4.5 GHz produced 880 khashes/second when GPUs like AMD's 280 and 290 gave 3 times as much.

A ratio of 1:3 was thus established for the fastest CPUs versus the fastest AMD GPUs – which is significantly better than Scrypt or SHA256 and allowing CPU users to mine X11 coins. By June 2014, the ratio had gone up to 1:6 due to the evolution of GPU mining programs and relative stability of CPU mining programs.

It should be noted that these ratios are more a reflection of the mining programs rather than an inherent property of the algorithm itself and thus the ratios can change depending the development progress of the CPU and GPU mining clients.
_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________

is that you wolf0 that got 3000 DRK?

i highly doubt Evan didn't know about Quark, Quark was months ahead of dash launch

(blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein) Quark

(blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo) X11


Haha, no. I would be ashamed to have written that miner.

kindly describe the miner? in layman's terms..is it crippled? purposely unoptimized? is it written by savages?

you devs kind of have a "third eye" in this crypto sphere. enlighten us.

It was done for a bounty, and it works. I'm not going to demonize the guy - X11 is a lot of logic to optimize, and using copypasted CPU libraries was pretty much the fastest way to get a GPU miner put together for the 3000 DRK. But it was dead slow. This was the darkcoin kernel, not Girino's darkcoin-mod kernel.

I wouldn't say it's purposely crippled, just a little above minimal effort put into it.

for me a copypasted libraries is kind of crippling to my eye if the miner stayed for a while before any decent GPU miner was created...thanks for another insight.

IMO, the real decider is intent. I'm pretty sure it wasn't done to slow it on purpose, it was to be the first done with a GPU miner and get the bounty. That kind of reward rarely incentivizes excellent work.

Girino's code was stolen from binaries he made with a fee embedded - which is what we call darkcoin-mod to this day. I saw that code and it was still terrible, so I improved it. Thankfully, my sources haven't leaked, but the binaries have.

The idea behind the launch of XCode and X11 was to have a brand new algorithm. My code was based off of Litcoin, Quark (a few of the hashes) and Primecoin (difficulty algorithm). I went and looked up all of the SHA3 candidates and took the rest, then I removed a lot of the logical switches from the hashing algo that quark used.

I wanted to create a new algorithm, so that we went through the same stages as Bitcoin and Litecoin did. First CPU, GPU, FPGA, then ASIC. That's the general path that these currencies go down and I thought, since the two most successful followed that, my currency should as well. As for the GPU miner, it was contracted for a few hundred dollars worth of Dash and we got a miner that was pretty much unoptimized. But that was really good for the time and allowed a good portion of time for the network to update to GPUs without making CPU mining unprofitable instantaneously.

Quote
After a spike in the Darkcoin network hashrate in early February 2014, it was speculated that someone might have made a GPU miner and thus a bounty of over 3000 DRKs was given in order to assist in the creation of a GPU miner client that could be publicly available, for fairness reasons.

That's pretty much exactly what happened.

this should be edited again..Evan made a statement

https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/X11 Created by Balazs Kiraly, last modified on Jun 01, 2015

I wouldn't say "a few hashes" about quark though 6 is still greater than 5.

and what would be the effect of this fork on GPU mining? is it limiting?policing?


2906  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: November 27, 2015, 10:18:10 AM
i heard about Gox the main problem was they ran a custom back end wallet which was problematic
and eventually they started fudging the books toying with things then when guys got spooked
they didn't have the capital to pay out so many withdrawls and eventually Mark threw a story out about hackers
when in reality he had the coins and knew exactly what the problem was..
NOTE: He had his lawyer admit he found something like 200,000 Bitcoins or something on a USB drive he said he "found in his couch"
AFTER he claimed hackers stole the coins (back around when Gox closed)

cryptsy ?
i think they have had similar problems over the last few years.. i have seen many times that BTC withdrawls will
end up frozen on people when it rocketed up in price.. this got so notorious before i started predicting it..
i would pull my coins out then tell others and then say i told you so afterwards.
i have also seen other fishy account freezing going on before..
what happened only they know but many warning signs point to them not being as honest as they claim to be
I stopped using them and never went back when i was fed some bs excuses when my coins vanished before while i was arb'ing
as soon as some coin exploded in value.. bam ! transfer problems and when i asked i was told their was a fork
and i went to every other exchange and all the other users and not 1 person on the internet so much as hinted at a fork..
BitJohn lied to me i think on Cryptsy chat about it and only after i badgered him about it..
I was on chat for hours and every once in a while i would ask if anyone else was waiting for coins too.. (they were ignoring me on chat playing dumb)
Eventually i was threatened to shut up about it or i'd be booted (they wanted the problem to be quiet)
I am certain they were simply freezing access to peoples coins so they could take advantage of the pump on the coin
by doing their own arb'ing.. with MY coins !
I came here and complained about it and said hey Cryptsy.. that is OUR money not yours your holding
Don't you god damn ever forget that !
so.. i left and i never did trust them and i have seen them pull a lot of shady sketchy shit over the years.
Holding large amounts of coins on there is very dumb i figure.

I cant wait for true decentralized blockchain based exchanges with liquidity.  The have been far too many hacks at various exchanges to trust them with a large amount.


THE TIME IS NOW !

These centralized exchanges just don't work.
I don't mean in some philosophical kind of way either.. i mean they are broken.
Trying sending coins.. cross your fingers Wink

This exchange did something fishy during vertcoin pump

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=449762.0
 
2907  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [DSH] Dashcoin (Cryptonote) -=Mandatory Wallet Update=- on: November 27, 2015, 08:18:08 AM
i think putting the link from the old dashcoin thread in the OP would be great..we don't like DSH to look like it was launched April 2015
 
besides there is some info there that is part of DSH history.
2908  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 27, 2015, 12:18:08 AM
Well, duh, of course it was CPU-only at the start. I'm asking if the intent was to make it easier on GPUs than Quark.

I think he just did it his own way, as he didn't know about Quark, which is the impression I got long ago when I asked - don't ask me to find proof, I'll not waste my time.  Just giving you an answer if you're interested.

I suppose it's possible. Meh, hardly matters, I suppose. I just want to know his intentions for the PoW - what qualities he wanted it to have.

I think Evan should chime in..that is the best answer

even at https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/X11 Created by Balazs Kiraly, last modified on Jun 01, 2015
_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________
the author said:

It was probably inspired by the chained-hashing approach of Quark, adding further “depth” and complexity by increasing the number of hashes, yet it differs from Quark in that the rounds of hashes are determined a priori instead of having some hashes being randomly picked.

The X11 algorithm uses multiple rounds of 11 different hashes (blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo), thus making it one of the safest and more sophisticated cryptographic hashes in use by modern cryptocurrencies.

The name X11 is not related to the open source GUI server that provides a graphical interface to unix/linux users.


Balanced CPU/GPU mining

When Darkcoin was initially launched with X11, it was only mineable through CPU mining programs. After a spike in the Darkcoin network hashrate in early February 2014, it was speculated that someone might have made a GPU miner and thus a bounty of over 3000 DRKs was given in order to assist in the creation of a GPU miner client that could be publicly available, for fairness reasons.

By mid-February the GPU client was launched and by late-February it was optimized for higher hashrates. At the same time, the CPU mining clients evolved to increase their speed by using the SSE2/3/4, AVX and AES instruction sets.

At that point it became evident that the hashrate difference between GPU and CPU implementations were not that chaotic, although GPUs still took the crown in terms of energy efficiency. Top of the line and tuned CPUs, like a 6-core i7s running at 4.5 GHz produced 880 khashes/second when GPUs like AMD's 280 and 290 gave 3 times as much.

A ratio of 1:3 was thus established for the fastest CPUs versus the fastest AMD GPUs – which is significantly better than Scrypt or SHA256 and allowing CPU users to mine X11 coins. By June 2014, the ratio had gone up to 1:6 due to the evolution of GPU mining programs and relative stability of CPU mining programs.

It should be noted that these ratios are more a reflection of the mining programs rather than an inherent property of the algorithm itself and thus the ratios can change depending the development progress of the CPU and GPU mining clients.
_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________

is that you wolf0 that got 3000 DRK?

i highly doubt Evan didn't know about Quark, Quark was months ahead of dash launch

(blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein) Quark

(blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo) X11


Haha, no. I would be ashamed to have written that miner.

kindly describe the miner? in layman's terms..is it crippled? purposely unoptimized? is it written by savages?

you devs kind of have a "third eye" in this crypto sphere. enlighten us.

It was done for a bounty, and it works. I'm not going to demonize the guy - X11 is a lot of logic to optimize, and using copypasted CPU libraries was pretty much the fastest way to get a GPU miner put together for the 3000 DRK. But it was dead slow. This was the darkcoin kernel, not Girino's darkcoin-mod kernel.

I wouldn't say it's purposely crippled, just a little above minimal effort put into it.

for me a copypasted libraries is kind of crippling to my eye if the miner stayed for a while before any decent GPU miner was created...thanks for another insight.

IMO, the real decider is intent. I'm pretty sure it wasn't done to slow it on purpose, it was to be the first done with a GPU miner and get the bounty. That kind of reward rarely incentivizes excellent work.

Girino's code was stolen from binaries he made with a fee embedded - which is what we call darkcoin-mod to this day. I saw that code and it was still terrible, so I improved it. Thankfully, my sources haven't leaked, but the binaries have.

right..a race to make one will make things sloppy. the author of the article said it was speculated that someone might have a GPU miner before the bounty was created..any idea about that? is this where the private miner developer/s that keep it quiet do their work?
2909  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 26, 2015, 11:53:00 PM
Well, duh, of course it was CPU-only at the start. I'm asking if the intent was to make it easier on GPUs than Quark.

I think he just did it his own way, as he didn't know about Quark, which is the impression I got long ago when I asked - don't ask me to find proof, I'll not waste my time.  Just giving you an answer if you're interested.

I suppose it's possible. Meh, hardly matters, I suppose. I just want to know his intentions for the PoW - what qualities he wanted it to have.

I think Evan should chime in..that is the best answer

even at https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/X11 Created by Balazs Kiraly, last modified on Jun 01, 2015
_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________
the author said:

It was probably inspired by the chained-hashing approach of Quark, adding further “depth” and complexity by increasing the number of hashes, yet it differs from Quark in that the rounds of hashes are determined a priori instead of having some hashes being randomly picked.

The X11 algorithm uses multiple rounds of 11 different hashes (blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo), thus making it one of the safest and more sophisticated cryptographic hashes in use by modern cryptocurrencies.

The name X11 is not related to the open source GUI server that provides a graphical interface to unix/linux users.


Balanced CPU/GPU mining

When Darkcoin was initially launched with X11, it was only mineable through CPU mining programs. After a spike in the Darkcoin network hashrate in early February 2014, it was speculated that someone might have made a GPU miner and thus a bounty of over 3000 DRKs was given in order to assist in the creation of a GPU miner client that could be publicly available, for fairness reasons.

By mid-February the GPU client was launched and by late-February it was optimized for higher hashrates. At the same time, the CPU mining clients evolved to increase their speed by using the SSE2/3/4, AVX and AES instruction sets.

At that point it became evident that the hashrate difference between GPU and CPU implementations were not that chaotic, although GPUs still took the crown in terms of energy efficiency. Top of the line and tuned CPUs, like a 6-core i7s running at 4.5 GHz produced 880 khashes/second when GPUs like AMD's 280 and 290 gave 3 times as much.

A ratio of 1:3 was thus established for the fastest CPUs versus the fastest AMD GPUs – which is significantly better than Scrypt or SHA256 and allowing CPU users to mine X11 coins. By June 2014, the ratio had gone up to 1:6 due to the evolution of GPU mining programs and relative stability of CPU mining programs.

It should be noted that these ratios are more a reflection of the mining programs rather than an inherent property of the algorithm itself and thus the ratios can change depending the development progress of the CPU and GPU mining clients.
_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________

is that you wolf0 that got 3000 DRK?

i highly doubt Evan didn't know about Quark, Quark was months ahead of dash launch

(blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein) Quark

(blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo) X11


Haha, no. I would be ashamed to have written that miner.

kindly describe the miner? in layman's terms..is it crippled? purposely unoptimized? is it written by savages?

you devs kind of have a "third eye" in this crypto sphere. enlighten us.

It was done for a bounty, and it works. I'm not going to demonize the guy - X11 is a lot of logic to optimize, and using copypasted CPU libraries was pretty much the fastest way to get a GPU miner put together for the 3000 DRK. But it was dead slow. This was the darkcoin kernel, not Girino's darkcoin-mod kernel.

I wouldn't say it's purposely crippled, just a little above minimal effort put into it.

for me a copypasted libraries is kind of crippling to my eye if the miner stayed for a while before any decent GPU miner was created...thanks for another insight.
2910  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 26, 2015, 11:48:19 PM

What are you trying to say, since yesterday turning around the honey pot (in english : beat around the bush)?

Who are you even talking to?

At 2 kids bumping the page since yesterday talking about X11.

in this sphere wolf0 i've got a "third eye" here....a hound has spotted us, more will come..when i say run you run LOL
2911  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 26, 2015, 11:35:05 PM
Well, duh, of course it was CPU-only at the start. I'm asking if the intent was to make it easier on GPUs than Quark.

I think he just did it his own way, as he didn't know about Quark, which is the impression I got long ago when I asked - don't ask me to find proof, I'll not waste my time.  Just giving you an answer if you're interested.

I suppose it's possible. Meh, hardly matters, I suppose. I just want to know his intentions for the PoW - what qualities he wanted it to have.

I think Evan should chime in..that is the best answer

even at https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/X11 Created by Balazs Kiraly, last modified on Jun 01, 2015
_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________
the author said:

It was probably inspired by the chained-hashing approach of Quark, adding further “depth” and complexity by increasing the number of hashes, yet it differs from Quark in that the rounds of hashes are determined a priori instead of having some hashes being randomly picked.

The X11 algorithm uses multiple rounds of 11 different hashes (blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo), thus making it one of the safest and more sophisticated cryptographic hashes in use by modern cryptocurrencies.

The name X11 is not related to the open source GUI server that provides a graphical interface to unix/linux users.


Balanced CPU/GPU mining

When Darkcoin was initially launched with X11, it was only mineable through CPU mining programs. After a spike in the Darkcoin network hashrate in early February 2014, it was speculated that someone might have made a GPU miner and thus a bounty of over 3000 DRKs was given in order to assist in the creation of a GPU miner client that could be publicly available, for fairness reasons.

By mid-February the GPU client was launched and by late-February it was optimized for higher hashrates. At the same time, the CPU mining clients evolved to increase their speed by using the SSE2/3/4, AVX and AES instruction sets.

At that point it became evident that the hashrate difference between GPU and CPU implementations were not that chaotic, although GPUs still took the crown in terms of energy efficiency. Top of the line and tuned CPUs, like a 6-core i7s running at 4.5 GHz produced 880 khashes/second when GPUs like AMD's 280 and 290 gave 3 times as much.

A ratio of 1:3 was thus established for the fastest CPUs versus the fastest AMD GPUs – which is significantly better than Scrypt or SHA256 and allowing CPU users to mine X11 coins. By June 2014, the ratio had gone up to 1:6 due to the evolution of GPU mining programs and relative stability of CPU mining programs.

It should be noted that these ratios are more a reflection of the mining programs rather than an inherent property of the algorithm itself and thus the ratios can change depending the development progress of the CPU and GPU mining clients.
_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________

is that you wolf0 that got 3000 DRK?

i highly doubt Evan didn't know about Quark, Quark was months ahead of dash launch

(blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein) Quark

(blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo) X11


Haha, no. I would be ashamed to have written that miner.

kindly describe the miner? in layman's terms..is it crippled? purposely unoptimized? is it written by savages?

you devs kind of have a "third eye" in this crypto sphere. enlighten us.
2912  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 26, 2015, 11:17:02 PM
Well, duh, of course it was CPU-only at the start. I'm asking if the intent was to make it easier on GPUs than Quark.

I think he just did it his own way, as he didn't know about Quark, which is the impression I got long ago when I asked - don't ask me to find proof, I'll not waste my time.  Just giving you an answer if you're interested.

I suppose it's possible. Meh, hardly matters, I suppose. I just want to know his intentions for the PoW - what qualities he wanted it to have.

I think Evan should chime in..that is the best answer

even at https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/X11 Created by Balazs Kiraly, last modified on Jun 01, 2015
_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________
the author said:

It was probably inspired by the chained-hashing approach of Quark, adding further “depth” and complexity by increasing the number of hashes, yet it differs from Quark in that the rounds of hashes are determined a priori instead of having some hashes being randomly picked.

The X11 algorithm uses multiple rounds of 11 different hashes (blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo), thus making it one of the safest and more sophisticated cryptographic hashes in use by modern cryptocurrencies.

The name X11 is not related to the open source GUI server that provides a graphical interface to unix/linux users.


Balanced CPU/GPU mining

When Darkcoin was initially launched with X11, it was only mineable through CPU mining programs. After a spike in the Darkcoin network hashrate in early February 2014, it was speculated that someone might have made a GPU miner and thus a bounty of over 3000 DRKs was given in order to assist in the creation of a GPU miner client that could be publicly available, for fairness reasons.

By mid-February the GPU client was launched and by late-February it was optimized for higher hashrates. At the same time, the CPU mining clients evolved to increase their speed by using the SSE2/3/4, AVX and AES instruction sets.

At that point it became evident that the hashrate difference between GPU and CPU implementations were not that chaotic, although GPUs still took the crown in terms of energy efficiency. Top of the line and tuned CPUs, like a 6-core i7s running at 4.5 GHz produced 880 khashes/second when GPUs like AMD's 280 and 290 gave 3 times as much.

A ratio of 1:3 was thus established for the fastest CPUs versus the fastest AMD GPUs – which is significantly better than Scrypt or SHA256 and allowing CPU users to mine X11 coins. By June 2014, the ratio had gone up to 1:6 due to the evolution of GPU mining programs and relative stability of CPU mining programs.

It should be noted that these ratios are more a reflection of the mining programs rather than an inherent property of the algorithm itself and thus the ratios can change depending the development progress of the CPU and GPU mining clients.
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is that you wolf0 that got 3000 DRK?

i highly doubt Evan didn't know about Quark, Quark was months ahead of dash launch

(blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein) Quark

(blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo) X11
2913  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 26, 2015, 01:55:44 PM
going back to this point..

Quote
Inventor of X11 = Quark is the first with chaining 6 algo, they just didn't call it X6....then X11 and X13 and X(for all i care) - nothing great about this

since Quark didn't use "X" and didn't call their algo X6...Evan got the spot light by adding "X" after chaining additional 5 algos (X11).

Evan's idea of adding "X" was so great and he was so proud and called his coin "Xcoin"--- fuckin brilliant LOL  Cheesy

and that my friends explains why Evan was so proud of putting "Inventor of X11" at the dash (former Xcoin) announcement thread. LOL Cheesy

P.S. I love this thread  Grin

Correction: He VASTLY simplified Quark before chaining additional algos - Quark uses branching.

okay i'm giving Evan that.. *clap* *clap* must be so proud of it to add "X" to it...and 5+6 = 11

he is a very good modifier/tweaker whatever the word is  Smiley

It actually makes the algo somewhat more boring, IMO.

why?...in layman's terms please.

Less challenging to make it work well on GPU. Quark made me think a bit.

careful with words now..might label you a troll in here, thanks for the correction and another insight (less challenging Evan).

I'm not too familiar with the launch, but wasn't that the idea? For a GPU implementation?

As I remember it... It was actually only CPU. The GPU came shortly after.   A number of individuals started off with huge server farms just cranking out the hash power... Once I got my bunch of azure servers going and made a good buck all be it for a short time. But... It became quite apparent quickly someone got GPU miners up and that changed the difficulty very quickly.  As I've said this was way beyond my technical level... It was my first mining...but it was super cool.. Once GPU took over I called it quits and. Just invested  in the coin by buying it in the open market.

Well, duh, of course it was CPU-only at the start. I'm asking if the intent was to make it easier on GPUs than Quark.

I'll wait for dash insiders to chime in...this is a very good question.
2914  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 26, 2015, 10:16:29 AM
going back to this point..

Quote
Inventor of X11 = Quark is the first with chaining 6 algo, they just didn't call it X6....then X11 and X13 and X(for all i care) - nothing great about this

since Quark didn't use "X" and didn't call their algo X6...Evan got the spot light by adding "X" after chaining additional 5 algos (X11).

Evan's idea of adding "X" was so great and he was so proud and called his coin "Xcoin"--- fuckin brilliant LOL  Cheesy

and that my friends explains why Evan was so proud of putting "Inventor of X11" at the dash (former Xcoin) announcement thread. LOL Cheesy

P.S. I love this thread  Grin

Correction: He VASTLY simplified Quark before chaining additional algos - Quark uses branching.

okay i'm giving Evan that.. *clap* *clap* must be so proud of it to add "X" to it...and 5+6 = 11

he is a very good modifier/tweaker whatever the word is  Smiley

It actually makes the algo somewhat more boring, IMO.

why?...in layman's terms please.

Less challenging to make it work well on GPU. Quark made me think a bit.

careful with words now..might label you a troll in here, thanks for the correction and another insight (less challenging Evan).
2915  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 26, 2015, 09:56:17 AM
going back to this point..

Quote
Inventor of X11 = Quark is the first with chaining 6 algo, they just didn't call it X6....then X11 and X13 and X(for all i care) - nothing great about this

since Quark didn't use "X" and didn't call their algo X6...Evan got the spot light by adding "X" after chaining additional 5 algos (X11).

Evan's idea of adding "X" was so great and he was so proud and called his coin "Xcoin"--- fuckin brilliant LOL   Cheesy

and that my friends explains why Evan was so proud of putting "Inventor of X11" at the dash (former Xcoin) announcement thread. LOL Cheesy

P.S. I love this thread  Grin

Correction: He VASTLY simplified Quark before chaining additional algos - Quark uses branching.

okay i'm giving Evan that.. *clap* *clap* must be so proud of it to add "X" to it...and 5+6 = 11

he is a very good modifier/tweaker whatever the word is  Smiley

It actually makes the algo somewhat more boring, IMO.

why?...in layman's terms please.
2916  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 26, 2015, 09:48:34 AM
going back to this point..

Quote
Inventor of X11 = Quark is the first with chaining 6 algo, they just didn't call it X6....then X11 and X13 and X(for all i care) - nothing great about this

since Quark didn't use "X" and didn't call their algo X6...Evan got the spot light by adding "X" after chaining additional 5 algos (X11).

Evan's idea of adding "X" was so great and he was so proud and called his coin "Xcoin"--- fuckin brilliant LOL   Cheesy

and that my friends explains why Evan was so proud of putting "Inventor of X11" at the dash (former Xcoin) announcement thread. LOL Cheesy

P.S. I love this thread  Grin

Correction: He VASTLY simplified Quark before chaining additional algos - Quark uses branching.

okay i'm giving Evan that.. *clap* *clap* must be so proud of it to add "X" to it...and 5+6 = 11

he is a very good modifier/tweaker whatever the word is  Smiley
2917  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 26, 2015, 08:09:50 AM
going back to this point..

Quote
Inventor of X11 = Quark is the first with chaining 6 algo, they just didn't call it X6....then X11 and X13 and X(for all i care) - nothing great about this

since Quark didn't use "X" and didn't call their algo X6...Evan got the spot light by adding "X" after chaining additional 5 algos (X11).

Evan's idea of adding "X" was so great and he was so proud and called his coin "Xcoin"--- fuckin brilliant LOL   Cheesy

and that my friends explains why Evan was so proud of putting "Inventor of X11" at the dash (former Xcoin) announcement thread. LOL Cheesy

P.S. I love this thread  Grin
2918  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][OEC] OneEvilCoin - CPU MINING! Untraceable [CryptoNight] on: November 26, 2015, 07:41:18 AM
I'm here but I can't figure out what happened to all my OEC?Huh  I downloaded the new wallet client or whatever was posted and now when I sync my wallet it's not there no more none of my coins?Huh

your coins are owned by your wallet address...is it really synced?.

i still have my coins, i think it is not sync up to the time when coins started to enter your address.
Ya no I totally synced it up but it's accepting a different wallet address now than my original one and I didn't change anything which I find odd? The only thing I did was download the whatever update the Dev posted a while back

Are you sure you are using the proper config? Otherwise the network will be different and that might be the cause.
I'll have to check that out but I haven't changed anything at all I just downloaded the new shiat you posted weeks ago and that's all


Check the op for how to launch with the proper config.
Alright will do thanks mate Smiley

my wallet is fine, synced and got my newly mined coins.
2919  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 26, 2015, 06:20:19 AM

Inventor of X11 = Quark is the first with chaining 6 algo, they just didn't call it X6....then X11 and X13 and X(for all i care) - nothing great about this


Holy shit, you made a good point. Was that by accident?

accidents do happen mr. miner developer  Cheesy

can i ask you something? when X11 algo became GPU mineable it was cool on GPU's (lower heat, lower electricity cost)...but then i think you contributed on optimizing sgminer that increases hash on X11...

with deep knowledge in coding..do you think someone or somebody could have had an optimized miner during those times when GPUs are cooler on X11?

Of course. I did - it only leaked, which caused me to release it so the asshole who stole it couldn't sell it...

I mean prior to you optimizing mining on X11, way back.

I remembered I've read a thread or two regarding your miner on X11 you did optimized it.

anyway you are a public miner developer, people can follow you on bitcointalk....do you think there are other private miner developers out there who do mining development and keep it to themselves?

You don't seem to get it. I often to private mining development and keep it quiet...

I got it now..you know what you do, but you don't know if there are other miner developer/s out there who keep it quiet..

thanks.

 I know several others. I don't know if any of them did X11 before me, though.

that's a great insight  Smiley

What's so interesting?

that there are silent players out there who can and have an advantage.

You didn't assume this already? If you've seen my public gains, most people would wonder what I don't share...

if it is about you, i already assumed it..i didn't know that there are several others and there could be others that you don't know.

hearing this from a miner developer is kind of assuring.
2920  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: November 26, 2015, 05:35:19 AM

Inventor of X11 = Quark is the first with chaining 6 algo, they just didn't call it X6....then X11 and X13 and X(for all i care) - nothing great about this


Holy shit, you made a good point. Was that by accident?

accidents do happen mr. miner developer  Cheesy

can i ask you something? when X11 algo became GPU mineable it was cool on GPU's (lower heat, lower electricity cost)...but then i think you contributed on optimizing sgminer that increases hash on X11...

with deep knowledge in coding..do you think someone or somebody could have had an optimized miner during those times when GPUs are cooler on X11?

Of course. I did - it only leaked, which caused me to release it so the asshole who stole it couldn't sell it...

I mean prior to you optimizing mining on X11, way back.

I remembered I've read a thread or two regarding your miner on X11 you did optimized it.

anyway you are a public miner developer, people can follow you on bitcointalk....do you think there are other private miner developers out there who do mining development and keep it to themselves?

You don't seem to get it. I often to private mining development and keep it quiet...

I got it now..you know what you do, but you don't know if there are other miner developer/s out there who keep it quiet..

thanks.

 I know several others. I don't know if any of them did X11 before me, though.

that's a great insight  Smiley

What's so interesting?

that there are silent players out there who can and have an advantage.
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