Just say what needs to be said. Truth will set you free
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Who would want to buy MORE expensive chips?
People who would not make any money mining 28nm devices. Just because you bought 28nm pre-order, it does not mean every ASIC designer out there will not try anything that is more efficient than your pre-order. Looks like you are trying to convince yourself that your purchase of hashfast will not become obsolete for a very long time. The ASIC train is moving faster than anyone can say: WTF just happened... Avalon already said they will be working on Gen 2, 3 and 4 (at the same time?). Are you ready for your WTF moment?
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They will be replaced by more energy efficient ASICs or will be run in areas where electricity is dirt cheap.
Once we reach technological brick wall (10nm), the network hash rate will level off and difficulty might actually stay flat or go down. At that level, mining=electricity & hosting costs + a tiny profit.
The economic brick wall is 28nm. 20nm is beyond rediculously expensive for anyone who doesn't know their own fab (Intel, Samsung). Nobody is predicting high availability or decent prices of 20nm wagers from any foundry in 2014 either. Nobody (not even Intel) is using 14nm yet, the technical challenges of 10nm haven't even been addresses. Still even if 20/14/10nm is techincally available what matters in mining is the cost per hash and Bitcoin mining is almost perfectly parallel. This means a 20nm chip is going to cost MORE than a 28nm one (everything else being the same) until the cost per transistor is lower on 20nm then 28nm. Usually that takes 2-4 years from process start and it is taking longer and the end benefits are getting smaller (higher NRE, more delays, more complexity, more yield issues, and overall a shrinking gain on the prior process node). So 20nm SHA-2 ASICs probably won't make sense even in 2015 or 2016 and 14nm isn't even on the map yet (2020?+). That means for the convieable future 28nm is as good as it gets. There may be more efficient 28nm designs but that would mean a brand new NRE cost and it would have to be a lot better to make sense (i.e. a company's new chip would need to be so much cheaper (MH/$ and MH/W) that even after a share of the NRE it added it is still a better deal that then existing design). It remains to be seen if that will happen. Regardless once everyone is on 28nm and shipping in volume, the market will become highly saturated and mining margins will be a small percentage over electrical cost of the most efficient miners. Have a less efficient miner, have higher than normal electrical costs, paying for expensive datacenter space expect it to only be a question of how long before your net operating margin goes negative. Really no different than GPU mining. Those with excessive electrical costs or poorly though out rigs could only profit marginally when the price/difficulty was high and when it tanked they had to idle or mine at a loss. http://www.electronicsweekly.com/mannerisms/manufacturing/apple-signs-tsmc-for-16nm-and-10nm-nodes-2013-06/http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1264668
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They will be replaced by more energy efficient ASICs or will be run in areas where electricity is dirt cheap.
Once we reach technological brick wall (10nm), the network hash rate will level off and difficulty might actually stay flat or go down. At that level, mining=electricity & hosting costs + a tiny profit.
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If you still have them, I'll take one for BTC6. Need it for development, I don't care if it is doing 5 GH/s or 8 GH/s or any rate in between.
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DaFuq!?
I solved 4 blocks in a little over 24hrs!
Nice. Way to go!!! Maybe we get 11 blocks today. 7 so far.
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Honest question about BTCGarden: I don't understand how their 192 GH/s miner is worth $10271(USD) when you can get 400+ GH/s for $6995(KNC) and $5600(HF). Are they shipping in the next few days or something? Can you? Let me know, I'll come to pick it up tomorrow.
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Yifu is communicating now as much as he did during the Batch #2 fulfillment period. This cannot be a surprise. These chips are late, but so was Batch #1 and Batch #2. This knowledge was in front of you when you made the purchase. Tell me what answer you will give to the judge when he says "Isn't that curious. Tell me why you thought he would ship on time this time?"
Dude, they pre-mined the crap out of Batch #2. That's why there was no communication as they delayed as much as possible. They mined until the units turned up covered internally with dust and preconfigured to pools. Way beyond that of 'testing'. It was so noticeable, that they had to halt sending the dust coated pre-configured pre-mined silver units and re-start Batch #2 shipping, sending out fresh black ones that were intended for Batch #3 orders. Hence the obscene delay in Batch #3. C'mon man, be fair, this behaviour is inexcusable. I want to believe this wasn't the case, but look at the evidence. At this point ignoring the subject will not help. In the context of pursuing a lawsuit, the important question is "will a judge believe this." Well if one can provide photographic evidence. Check. Reports from legitimate purchasers with photographic evidence at the time pf receipt of goods, as well as courier documents/customs dockets. Check. Evidence that units were preconfigured to specific pools where 900BTC (approx equal to US$1m, of a an approx $1B currency, further directly manipulating it's overall supply) has accumulated to specific wallets within specific dates. Check. I'd find it hard for a judge not to consider such empirical evidence. Especially when further corroborated with the evidence that the manufacture of chips equal to all the community bulk orders in total was in fact in Bitsycom's possession from late June. Posted by one of their own design team, and a total blanket on any communication from those entrusted with the funds and orders for weeks subsequent, followed by continued ignorance of their existence and inconsistent excuses. Not to mention continual promises to refund which never transpire, and an aggressive increase in global hashrate throughout he same period which cannot be solely attributed to another US based manufacturer with an awful track record of delivering anything. EDIT: As I have been quite rightly corrected 900btc is not equal to US1m, yet is substantial. As such the pre-mining may be less significant in the supply of BTC, but holding or reselling the quantity of chips on order is not. That said I want Yifu to retain 'Hero' status, but this is beyond giving the benefit of doubt now. Unfortunately, he probably did not break any laws. Unfair business practice, maybe. Unethical, of course. Liar, liar pants on fire, you bet. But unfortunately in the US, he probably did not break any laws. Not sure, you might want to check with your lawyer. Disclaimer: I'm biased because I've sent my Icarus boards to this guy. In April.
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everyone who participated all the way back to group 1 gets a coupon. 1:1 (i.e. if you bought 1 miner, you get 1 coupon. if you bought 17, you get 17 coupons, bought a 100, you get 100 coupons). what I don't know is how many have shipped to begin covering the remaining 70% of you. so, once I have that info, I can publish a list and PM those who are entitled to coupons Thanks Canary.
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EMC uses GBT, so --request-diff should be working for you in the current version of bfgminer.
Just tried GBT, on port 8337. Miner is not hashing. What is "BW" in bfgminer? "request-diff" : "400", I get "Work stale due to block mismatch" errors. After a while I get to 8GH/s rate for each single (getting 60GH/s on stratum). The starting diff is at 2, even though I requested 400. I don't know what it is doing but the hash rate slowly (after 40 minute run) went to 270 GH/s and diff 342 I think I'm done testing GBT
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If BFL is purposely slowing the Minirig line, to force big-money investors to switch their investment to the Monarch line, this would be very troubling.
You cannot switch to monarch if you have an order in "fullfilled" state (after one mini rig has shipped). I suspect they are running out of cases or other parts. BTW, slowing the shipment rate, only helps the early adopters. People who have late mini rig orders will switch to monarch, just a matter of time.
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Inaba,
I think the block found count in my account is incorrect.
I kept solving blocks but somehow the pool did not show them.
So, I've added an email alert to my akbash bfgminer watchdog and I caught one right after it was solved. My miner solved block 253838 with best share: 450M. bfgminer APIs show that the block has been solved, at around 11:29 (my local time).
Maybe there is a bug in the pool statistics.
af_newbie
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Luke,
Is there a way for bfgminer to set the minimum difficulty? I always thought pools decide what the minimum difficulty suppose to be and they tell miners what is the share difficulty. But just wondering if there is a way to tell the pool, "hey, I'm fast, don't bother sending me shares lower than XXX".
Thanks, af_newbie
See --request-diff (GBT only until 3.2.0, released any hour now...) Thanks Luke. Much appreciated.
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Crazy overpriced.. Someone who bought this machine now wouldnt see and ROI until 6 months at the rate the difficulty is raising..
OP, ignore the trolls. You'll make your money back. I have already mined ~ BTC100 with my two units in about 10 days. If they don't pay your minimum price (?? 300, 400 or 500), keep it. You already have it, pay for hosting and let it bleed.
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No one cares for your pre-order nonsense, come back when you have something in hand and ready to ship.
+1 There should be a new subsection in this forum: "Pre-Orders & other vaporware" All posts not directly related to existing hardware should go straight to that subsection. This would cleanup the Custom Hardware section. It is not "Custom Hardware Pre-orders" or "Custom Dream/What I want for Christmas Hardware" section but "Custom Hardware". It implies an existing hardware.
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I do think that a scheduled weekly announcement would be good both for Yifu and for us, even if it just says 'took time off, did nothing.'
+1 But more importantly, he should ship or refund what he owes. End of story. He has been late by more than 30 days on everything he shipped.
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I'm happy to announce that we have a USA assembly house available for this project. So anyone from USA can get there chips mounted there...
The chips and boards will be assembled at a top notch west cost facility. This will get things faster and cheaper for USA clients...
Lucko, just donated 3 sample chips to your project. Your US rep should get them in 2 days.
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Last year, it would have been a killer product. By December 2013, 600GH will be mining what 12 GH is today.
Would you pay ~5K for 12GH today? I think the product is overpriced. It should have been priced around $400-600. Maybe $800, like a high end video card, IMHO.
I'm not buying.
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This is obvious scam to me. I ordered both BFL and Avalon pre-orders because I had their FPGA products in my hands.
How did you have FPGA in your hand? You obviously didn't trust them until they had delivered a product so what were those companies making prior to FPGAs? I bought used BFL, (new/used) Icarus FPGAs . I ordered ASIC pre-orders from BFL and Avalon after running their FPGA products for months. Don't get me wrong, I'd be pre-ordering from these guys if they had an actual product for sale. Product that people used and reported working.
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gigavps,
I've tried to use your API, but I'm not sure how to access data about my individual workers
Is there a way to get data from this page: users/113/workers
via API?
statistics.json?apikey=...
returns stats about the pool, blocks, top contributors etc. All nice, but I like to monitor my workers.
Thanks, af_newbie
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