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2921  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: August 16, 2014, 03:00:44 AM
DirectBet- I bring this up since a poster above mentioned your lines. Some of your boxing lines are confusing since boxing lines can be either 2 way (get money back on draw) or 3 way (you lose both sides if there is a draw). Most of your boxing is listed as 3 way betting.

With the UFC rules, I have never seen another book use the rule below. Ties should be refunded since you are using 2 way lines in MMA.
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In case of a tie in UFC fights, both selections in moneyline bets are considered winners and the dead heat rule will apply. As a result, moneyline bets may be partially winning or losing in case of a tie.
2922  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 16, 2014, 02:26:07 AM


BetMoose- Instant deposits and withdrawals.
Predictious - Instant Withdrawals

NR Books - If you write a sentence or two about your book/exchange, then I'll post it next to the ratings.
2923  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 16, 2014, 02:25:48 AM
Thanks Jetwin and BetMoose.

I added Nascar and Mobile Betting. If you offer Nascar or Mobile Betting, let me know. Thanks
2924  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 15, 2014, 06:26:19 PM
Webetcoins having problems.

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I has been over 11 days since I began to attempt a withdrawal of my Bitcoin. I figured slight technical issues no bid deal, there should be no problems withdrawing by the end of last week. I waited and on sunday there still was 0 bit coin transferred to any of my accounts. Now I do not know about you guys but I use bitcoin to pay my bills because of this site holding my bitcoin for over 2 weeks they have caused significant financial damage to my assets. $580 was the value of bitcoin when I attempted to process the withdrawal and $499 is the current value of bitcoin. They keep telling me they will add a exchange and DDoS protection, that is nice but what about my money!?!? What about grading wagers!?!? Seriously I am at my breaking point and since there is no disclaimer stating that withdrawals will take any longer than 24 hours and it has taken 288 hours well over that threshold and the only response I keep getting from support is a sales pitch. I have a video of the activity on my account along with all emails printed and copied.
2925  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 15, 2014, 06:08:08 PM
Anyone except Nitrogen and Predictious offering instant withdrawals or deposits?

Deposits at Anonibet are instant.

Regards,

John
Thanks, anyone else have instant deposits of withdrawals?
2926  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 15, 2014, 04:23:37 PM
Anyone except Nitrogen and Predictious offering instant withdrawals or deposits?
2927  Economy / Gambling / Re: How to convert Bitcoins into cash, using bookmakers and arbitrage techniques. on: August 15, 2014, 04:18:02 PM
SBOBitcoin is another agent. They convert bitcoins to Asian currencies, Hong Kong or Singapore dollars. There haven't been any problems with them to date.
2928  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 13, 2014, 06:51:28 PM
New agent: Premiumtradings

NR books/exchanges- If you would like to add a sentence or two about your book, go ahead. I'd like to add that information when posting the ratings.
2929  Economy / Gambling / Re: How to convert Bitcoins into cash, using bookmakers and arbitrage techniques. on: August 13, 2014, 06:40:09 PM
I think that Premiumtradings is a new agent. As always, be cautious with new agents. If wrong, please correct me.
2930  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: August 13, 2014, 04:12:41 AM
DirectBet- Another rule that you may want to look into is the 3 day rule on postponed games since this is not that uncommon. Games are settled that day for the regular season. Bets do not carry over as they do during the playoffs. This is a universal rule as far as I know.


edit- Rules at Nitrogen
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Official Game Result
The result of the game is official after 5 innings of play unless the home team is leading after 4.5 innings. If a game is called or suspended, the winner is determined by the score after the last full inning unless the home team scores to tie, or take the lead in the bottom half of the inning, in which case the winner is determined by the score at the time the game is called. Bets will be refunded if the home team ties the game and it is suspended. This is not the case for 1st half betting, where a game must go the FULL 5 innings to be considered valid.

Suspended Playoff Game
In the case of a suspended playoff game that will be resumed in a span of 96 hours after its suspension, all bets are valid and will be graded after the completion of the game. If the game is not completed with the 96 hours following the time of the suspention, then all bets are cancelled.
2931  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: August 12, 2014, 07:19:04 PM
I looked into the golf rules with fiat books. All would have paid the player in full. The only reduction occurs in the tied players for 5th. Even if unique, at least DirectBet puts up rules so that no future problems occur.



edit- One of the guys at peepsplace just wrote this:

$5footlong

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And the split would be equivalent to a racetrack deadheat.

If you bet 1000 to win 1800 and you have a 2 way split you don't win 900. You take the total bet 2800 and chop that in half. Therefore you get a total payout of 1400 minus your 1000 wager so you profit 400.

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if you bet a top 20 finish this week and had one of the guys that finished tied for 15th-23rd it gets really interesting. 9 people get paid for 6 spots. The formula (works for any tie scenario) is A/(x/y).
A= total bet (meaning if you bet 1000 to win/clear 1800, A would be 2800 the total ticket)
X= number of tied players (this case 9)
y= number of places to be paid at level of tied outcome (in this case 6 being that 15th on down were tied so 15,16,17,18,19,20 is a total of 6 places to be paid.)

So using this example you have 2800/(9/6) which breaks down to 2800/1.5 = 1866.67 is the total amount paid. So subtract the 1000 (original bet) and you make a profit of 866.67 in this case.

Hope this helps with some of the confusion on deadheat/tie rules
2932  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: August 12, 2014, 10:00:20 AM
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Place 1st 5/10/20 etc.
You're betting on: the selected player finishing in the Top 5, 10, 20 etc.

Top 10 and Top 20 markets will be available on all full field European and PGA events. The Outright each way terms at the start of the tournament will determine the places for place betting.
Dead heat rules apply. For instance in top 20 betting, a player ties for 20th with 5 other players, i.e. 6 players all tied 20th, a 1/6th reduction to winnings would apply. If 2 players tied for 10th in top 10 betting then a ½ reduction would occur
https://support.skybet.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/270/~/golf-rules

Generally I've sided with Directbet and think Peep's is being over the top and annoying but he's got a point here I think.  
It was immature of me and wrong to attack in the past.

Now that you've realized this don't you think you should list them in your chart and with a realistic grade?
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 I was immature as far as clogging the thread......As far as keeping him off the guide I think that he should stay off for constant spamming and breaking thread rules for the past 4 months. I'm sure you have read his posts. Although this didn't affect my decision, DirectBet posted that I requested the information which was never done, hurting his credibility.
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So we collected all these posts and posted them, per his request

Peeps Place posted numerous times to DirectBet
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The only rule for books is to keep their conversation on their own book and not that of another book.

Bookmaker Bet Moose
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if I was Peeps I would've already taken you off the list since he's running a self-moderated rating system and can do whatever he wants at the end of the day.

Peeps Place
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DirectBet- BetMoose makes a good point. If you continue to talk about things outside of the intended scope of this thread, I'll just take you off the rating guide.

Spam on Anonibet here right after the warning  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448302.1360 .

If I were to rate DirectBet my personal rating would be "D". There were a dichotomy of thoughts. Either a bottom book or a good book. Players in this thread say great. Not having to deposit is a nice thing, but players are able to withdraw at will with deposit books. Nitrogen has instant deposits and withdrawals.

 While his soccer offers are within industry standards, the American markets for live betting are the worst, fiat or bitcoin. Most of the pre-game odds in American markets are on the very high end but I can't say for sure if they are the worst including fiat.

The other point that bothers me is having bets in limbo. Although caused by the blockchain, the end result is that the player is making a wager that he may not want 20 minutes later.

They don't meet the longevity requirements of a "B" rating. Even without the time constraints, a two man shop open less than a year is very risky considering past events. All this considered they were given a "C" rating.
2933  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: August 12, 2014, 09:22:15 AM
Ryan I think whatever is the generally accepted rule would be the fairest thing of all. I mean as peeps says is it really fair to equally deduct even if your guy finished in first? I can see it both ways. Peeps any site other than skybet have that rule?  If Anonibet and nitrogen do it the same as directbet then directbet is right and peeps should drop it.
If Anonibet and Nitrogen do it the same way then I'll differ to them.
2934  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: August 12, 2014, 09:08:44 AM
edit- want to look at other books
2935  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 11, 2014, 09:51:13 PM
Is there anything else that should be added? I'm going to add mobile betting and casino.

For "Motorsports", can you do "includes Nascar" if it does so. Or an asterisk with explanation that means with Nascar.




I'll get this one done too. I'm heading out of town so don't shoot me if it doesn't get done immediately.
2936  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: August 11, 2014, 09:32:21 PM
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Place 1st 5/10/20 etc.
You're betting on: the selected player finishing in the Top 5, 10, 20 etc.

Top 10 and Top 20 markets will be available on all full field European and PGA events. The Outright each way terms at the start of the tournament will determine the places for place betting.
Dead heat rules apply. For instance in top 20 betting, a player ties for 20th with 5 other players, i.e. 6 players all tied 20th, a 1/6th reduction to winnings would apply. If 2 players tied for 10th in top 10 betting then a ½ reduction would occur
https://support.skybet.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/270/~/golf-rules

Generally I've sided with Directbet and think Peep's is being over the top and annoying but he's got a point here I think.  
It was immature of me and wrong to attack in the past.
2937  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 11, 2014, 09:16:39 PM
Is there anything else that should be added? I'm going to add mobile betting and casino.

Add "Instant Withdrawal" row.
Will do.

Books- Make it easy on me, if you have instant withdrawals, raise your hand. Smiley

Hand raised! We also offer instant deposits with 0 confirmations  Grin
Thanks
2938  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 11, 2014, 09:11:58 PM
Is there anything else that should be added? I'm going to add mobile betting and casino.

Add "Instant Withdrawal" row.
Will do.

Books- Make it easy on me, if you have instant withdrawals, raise your hand. Smiley
2939  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: August 11, 2014, 09:07:59 PM
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Place 1st 5/10/20 etc.
You're betting on: the selected player finishing in the Top 5, 10, 20 etc.

Top 10 and Top 20 markets will be available on all full field European and PGA events. The Outright each way terms at the start of the tournament will determine the places for place betting.
Dead heat rules apply. For instance in top 20 betting, a player ties for 20th with 5 other players, i.e. 6 players all tied 20th, a 1/6th reduction to winnings would apply. If 2 players tied for 10th in top 10 betting then a ½ reduction would occur
https://support.skybet.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/270/~/golf-rules
2940  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 11, 2014, 09:03:10 PM
Is there anything else that should be added? I'm going to add mobile betting and casino.
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