Folding is in the range of 10 petaflops, bitcoin is actually 170 petaflops
But... Bitcoin miners are all processing the same data, correct?t? It would be awesome if everyone else was trying to mine bitcoins to be sent to my wallet, but alas I am the only one doing so. All bitcoin miners are performing the same calculations, but on sufficiently different data that the results are not at all the same.
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Well sending ixcoins to a bitcoin address = fail. There goes 116 ixc into the ether.
You should be able to claim the ixcoins so long as you still have the private key that corresponds to that bitcoin address.
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Less information means greater risk.
How is risk introduced into this? With less information about your market, I cannot predict as effectively how it will move. Since I can't get cash out of your exchange quickly, I risk being stuck with cash that cannot do anything useful. I might be willing to take that additional risk, but not for free. I'd say risk is reduced because your orders have a lower chance of moving the market, so your orders will end up costing less. That's a miniscule risk. The vast majority of orders are not mine. I lose information for every not-mine order and gain for every mine order. I'd have to gain an awful lot on every order of mine to compensate for the much greater order of magnitude of orders that are not mine. Since every transaction on your exchange would have higher risk than an otherwise similar transaction on a more open exchange, you'd have to charge lower commissions to get my business.
Let's assume this exchange has no transaction fees for the purpose of this discussion. Then I might be willing to take the greater risk. It would help a lot if I could get cash out of the exchange quickly too. but not being able to see the market I'm trading into harms me quite a bit.
I'd agree if some people had the information and others didn't but since nobody has the market depth then I don't see how it's harmful. Plus I would argue that in an transparent market you don't have all the information either because of trading bots. Okay, fine, I benefit a tiny bit by hiding my own information from others. But I am harmed much more by not being able to see any other transactions. Keeping other people in the dark about other people's transactions, which I also don't know about, doesn't help me at all. In sum: My few transactions: Slight help to me per transaction. Other people's many transactions: Moderate harm to me per transaction. Net: Huge harm to me.
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Less information means greater risk. Since every transaction on your exchange would have higher risk than an otherwise similar transaction on a more open exchange, you'd have to charge lower commissions to get my business. Otherwise, what compensates me for the greater risk I'm taking? Keeping my transactions secret from other people doesn't benefit me very much, but not being able to see the market I'm trading into harms me quite a bit.
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One of two things happens at this point:
1) Either the system proves ineffective - all you've got to do is find a few people to trade with who either don't need you to identify yourself in any way or don't participate in the scheme;
2) I'm ostracized by my lack of helpful participation: aka picking up my pitchfork, lighting a torch and joining the mob.
3) The system ignores you, you're just a bit player. But it succeeds because bigger players cooperate because they understand that these thefts hurt the bitcoin economy their businesses rely on.
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Well actually you're kind of equivocating there, your final clause saves you (sort of) but it begs the question.
We seem to be talking past each other. Perhaps we should start over. I think a free market will lead to prosperity and that prosperity is the ultimate solution to pollution. Essentially, that other things being equal, the freer the market, the faster pollution will become less of a problem. But I'm only trying to make a much, much smaller point here -- nothing about a free market need make pollution problems any worse, except that people would be free to pollute their own property in cases where it didn't affect anyone else's property. The "dissonance" I'm trying to avoid is where you have a discussion with someone and you keep talking past each other because you have drastically different understandings of the consequences of things. In order to figure out what pollution would be like in an actual free market, we'd have to agree on what many other things would look like under a free market system, and of course people will disagree on that. I will agree with this though -- if you don't believe that a free market will add to prosperity, you should believe that a free market will probably make the pollution problem worse. If you believe a free market will add to prosperity, you should believe that a free market will probably make the pollution problem better.
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I am not talking about reverting transactions, or owing something. I am talking about finding the identity of the scammer, or helping the police to find him.
... and so how do I reconcile that aspect with my company's privacy policy where I won't give out information about them without a court order instructing me to do so? Easy, you don't give out any customer information without a court order instructing you to do so. See how easy that was? So I came for the loony libertarian pseudo-anonymous cryptocurrency, and I stay to give out my client's information because they happened to be six degrees of separation from a scammer? It is a common misunderstanding of Libertarianism that you get to to do whatever you want to do exactly they way you want to do it. In fact, other people also get to to do whatever they want to do to the same extent, and if that includes revealing information that you would prefer to keep private, that's tough.
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The term "air" can refer to the location in which air is or the air that happens to be in a particular space at a particular time. It's not really sufficiently well-defined for a yes or no answer to "Is air property" to be meaningful. Suffice it to say that if you pollute air on your property in such a way that it damages my use or enjoyment of my property, the majority of free market advocates would argue that your conduct should be legally actionable. Whether you say that means they consider air to be property or not is not particularly important.
It is amazing how you ignore the fact that air moves all the time around entire globe. Quite the opposite, I specifically point out that fact in the quote you cited above. The term "air" can refer both to a location that is filled with air, and the air that fills that location. The former can be property in the normal sense, the latter cannot unless you enclose it. The one second i breath some certain cube of air and then it travels and you breath it. Seriously wtf do you live on a different planet then the rest of us ? I agree. That's one of the ways something you do on your property can affect my use and enjoyment of my property. From where do you get that I disagree with this? As I said, in the quote you cited: "[ I ]f you pollute air on your property in such a way that it damages my use or enjoyment of my property, the majority of free market advocates would argue that your conduct should be legally actionable."
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Wait. What? Looking at my statement I see these words: "So in both what you espouse (I apologize but I don't know the majority of advocates of anything so I can't speak for them) and what exists the government still decides what is pollution effectively producing the same system with the notable exception being my ability to pollute my property as much as I like and those properties where I get permission to do so."
That's not a consequence of the system. That the government will make the effective decisions is a consequence. It's not the consequence that I expect. But it's the consequence that you expect. For example, you probably don't think that effective private organizations will be able to make rules about pollution and enforce them. I might. So I might not expect the same conseqeuence you expect. It's a description of what you appear to be saying. If it isn't then you should help make the description better. I'm not sure what possible utility there is* in arguing (in the formal sense) about a system that isn't the one you are talking about. I might as well have described candyland and gone on about the environmental impact of a licorice based economy. *Although after writing that it occurs to me that your approach avoids dissonance. Exactly. Suppose I believe that a free market will perfectly solve the pollution problem. (I don't, but suppose it.) To have that conversation with you, we'd have to argue over all the intermediate consequences of the affects of a free market on all kinds of other things, disagreeing all the way. However, I only need to make a much smaller point, which is that the "problem of pollution" is not a problem of the free market. It's a problem generally with all systems that a free market will not make worse.
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So in both what you espouse (I apologize but I don't know the majority of advocates of anything so I can't speak for them) and what exists the government still decides what is pollution effectively producing the same system with the notable exception being my ability to pollute my property as much as I like and those properties where I get permission to do so. Again don't you think that's a little naive?
Even assuming that's true, what exactly is your objection? That people shouldn't be able to pollute their own property? That there's something wrong with a free market because it doesn't miraculously solve hard problems like pollution? Weird sentence. Assuming what is true exactly? I'm talking about your position. Do you not know if my statement describes your position or not? Assuming your characterization of what I believe is fair. I know your statement describes the consequences of my system that you foresee but not the consequences that I expect. So rather than arguing over what the precise consequences would be, since it doesn't matter for purposes of this argument, I assume they'll be what you expect them to be. (For example, I expect that private organizations will take over many government functions just as private security and private arbitration have started to do. So I would expect some organization to figure out better solutions to pollution problems than governments have. But I'm willing to assume that doesn't happen, since I don't know for sure that it will.) So suppose we have the same system as we have now, except people are free to pollute their own property or permit others to do so. So, what's wrong with that? Does that make things much better? Probably not. But I never claimed I had some miraculous solution to the problem of pollution. If you see advocates of a free market claiming that a free market will solve the pollution problem, then you have a legitimate complaint. Otherwise, unless you can show a free market will make pollution worse, what's the relevance?
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Hm... I might be dead in another week... Difficulty could sky-rocket and render my poor GPU unprofitable. Come on... this is basic economics... money now is more valuable than money in a week... All this argument is just because we don't agree on how much time should be considered. One more reason to let pool hoppers be. After all, as another poster says:
Your arguments are getting too ridiculous to be worth responding to. Have a nice day.
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You know the client has a command to backup the wallet, right?
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That is not a fact. I am sorry, but that seems to be an assumption you made based in some biased view of the game. Those "non-hoppers" that are in the pool might not even had what to share among them if not by the hashing power added (briefly) by the hoppers. Let me put it this way: if a non-hopper would be given this choice: (a) mine in a pool which accepts only non-hoppers and take a week to solve a block or (b) mine in a pool which accepts hoppers and non-hoppers and solve a block in half a week, what do you think the non-hopper would choose? The first choice, since it gives him a higher return per share. It all comes down to the fact that profit cannot be taken in account alone and depends on time. I want to have 1 million dollars in account, but I want it now... not when I am too old to spend it. So, non-hoppers would choose (b). So should everybody. And that is the (oversimplified) economics of it.
Would you rather have a thousand dollars in a week or two thousand dollars in two weeks? Unless you either desperately need money now or are a moron, you would take the two thousand dollars in two weeks.
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How would you stop people falsely flagging addresses? Would they have to actually send you police reports?
As I understand his scheme, a falsely flagged address wouldn't do any harm.
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Here is what I think may be happening after thinking about it for a little while. BTCGuild and some other pools, such as Deepbit, or Slush or Ars Bitcoin are actually run by the same people.
The operator of BTCGuild is intentionally manipulating the luck in the pool making it drop very low and then jump up to unexpected highs. On low luck days, they would be doing this by having the pool capture some of the winning shares and sending them over to one of the other pools where that share would be sent out to one of the miners to win. On high luck days, some of the winning shares on the other pools would be captured and sent over to BTCGuild and sent out to the miners to have them win.
During this time, some of the winning shares may be sent off to a private pool where some of the loot is kept, or are sent off to a PPS pool like Ars Bitcoin and help build up that big 800 BTC buffer that they have. Then somebody gets to keep that buffer.
But the amount of actual stealing that takes place depends on weather or not people notice. By manipulating the pool and adding positive luck, it really a great way to make most people not notice that something is wrong. So right now there is probably very little stealing actually going on but there is still a high degree of manipulation! Let me guess, the masterminds are the same guys who faked the moon landings and the 9/11 terrorist attacks, right?
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Sorry for n00b question, but can we put two of them in line?
They're optimized for performing hashes on large amounts of data, not for performing large amounts of hashes.
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As I said, that is not likely. If a bunch of pool hoopers have invested shares in a small pool in the begining of a block (they seem to do that until some point early in the block) and this pool is currently starving (left with a huge block to solve and little hashing power to do it), pool hoppers will go back to it helping finish it (as long as there's no more profitable alternatives). The problem in your reasoning is where I added emphasis. A pool hopper can always contributed to a PPS pool. So there will always be more profitable alternatives. And it's not accurate that "pool hoppers profit at the expense of the non-hoppers". After all, they have actually invested hashing power... they just point their hashing power to some (currently) more profitable pool... IMHO, it's the same as investing money in a more profitable stock. Pool hoppers do profit at the expense of the non-hoppers. The more pool hoppers in a pool, the less return per-share those who feed the pool shares at a constant rate get. That is a fact.
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I'm trying to show that there is a high probability of manipulation of the pool going on, not that there is stealing going on.
I don't think you've shown that because: 1) Overall, chance seems a better explanation for the pool's long-term luck. 2) There is no known plausible mechanism that can produce better days than average.
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Coase makes arguments that regulations are never beneficial assuming there are no transaction costs or wealth effects. He knows these are unrealistic assumptions. Of course. All arguments make simplifying assumptions and are invalid in cases where those assumptions don't apply to an extent that swamps the mechanisms of the argument. Nevertheless, I find Coase's criticism of Pigovian taxes to be devastating. But if you like them, by all means advocate for them. Though I think they're a bad idea, they're fully consistent with a free market. Prohibitively expensive to get everyone to write private contracts covering all types of polluting behaviors and enforce them in courts (this is a txn cost) -> legal regulation can improve welfare It's only prohibitively expensive if you don't optimize it. But again, I agree that pollution is a hard problem and one that has little to do with a free market. The only relevance a free market has is that it would mean that pollution of one's own property that doesn't affect other people's use or enjoyment of their property would be allowed. Otherwise, it would be handled much the same way. Children may be born with no wealth and be unable to borrow to finance their education (this is a wealth effect) -> free public education can improve welfare And people may be born with no wealth and be unable to borrow to finance starting a business. Education is an investment with an expected return like any other investment. If nobody is willing to make the investment with their own money, it's probably a bad investment. And I genuinely believe that for most of the recipients of public education, it does them almost as much harm as good. I consider public education more or less a failed experiment. I don't believe public education is a better investment than whatever those who were taxed to pay for it would have done with their money. So I don't think it will improve welfare overall. If you want a definition of the free market that includes public education and government regulation, then fine. However, you must then admit that this makes 'free market' a very fuzzy concept. I agree, it's a fuzzy concept. It can't be explained in a buzzword or two. My 'free market' can be this, while your 'free market' can be that. Similarly my 'communism' can be this, while your 'communism' can be that; ask the Chinese. It is more productive to talk about specific policy issues rather than use loaded words. Of course, the ideologues will disagree. Well, that's why earlier in this thread, there was a list of core policy issues that relate to what we mean by a "free market". But yes, I agree, you can't make a simplistic list of buzzwords and say "that's what I mean by a free market". Complex issues are complex.
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So in both what you espouse (I apologize but I don't know the majority of advocates of anything so I can't speak for them) and what exists the government still decides what is pollution effectively producing the same system with the notable exception being my ability to pollute my property as much as I like and those properties where I get permission to do so. Again don't you think that's a little naive?
Even assuming that's true, what exactly is your objection? That people shouldn't be able to pollute their own property? That there's something wrong with a free market because it doesn't miraculously solve hard problems like pollution?
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