Nobody's screaming, or a lunatic. We're simply pointing out facts in the hope of saving a few potential victims the pain of falling for just another Bitcoin Ponzi.


Not necessarily. The owner has been able to move the market for "KHS" easily. He can release good news, wait for the price to rise, then sell a bunch of KHS. Then announce some bad news, wait for the price to drop, and buy them all back again. In that way he can make a lot of money without mining anything.


scrypt.cc doesn't fund deposits. That's done by its victims.


Interesting theory. Do you have any evidence of this mining? The blockchains are public, so it shouldn't be too hard to find the evidence if it's happening. They can earn BTC without mining by manipulating the "KHS" market, buying low, selling high. By having control of the "rewards" they can turn them to whatever level they can afford to pay from incoming deposits. And by stealing accounts from users (see all the complaints here about people being locked out of their account, the email server being down, etc.).


I can't be bothered. And you're not wrong on that point. Just on almost everything else.

As you said yourself, that page was for SEO purposes, not for players to read.

What that means is that the page's purpose was so that when people did a Google search for "provably fair casino" they would end up at your casino even though it is not provably fair.

Doesn't that seem like a deceptive practice? You have been caught lying about the provable fairness of your games and when challenged about it your defence boils down to "oh, we weren't lying directly to players, we were lying to the search engines so they could lie to players for us; that's better, right guys?"

On https://bitcasino.io/bitcoin-gambling/provably-fair-bitcoin-casino/, bitcasino themselves recommend that you should play on a provably fair casino. They lay out all the reasons why. Why would "maybe fixed or scam" when you don't need to?



How do you make sure they're actually playing fair? You don't.

Is there only one DOGE wallet for Android? What's it called? Does it have some way of backing up the wallet or exporting the private keys?

Is it possible for me to run my own Mycellium backend server? It seems the default ones are overloaded, making the wallet unusable at times. If I could use my own private server the wallet would be useful again.

"Beta" is kind of an arbitrary designation. The older versions have been around for longer, and so are less likely to contain surprises. The newer versions have more features and bug fixes, but potentially new bugs too.

There's a high-level list of the differences between each version here. But briefly:

v1.4.12 fixed a problem that several exchanges encountered, where if you have a lot of people sending tiny 'faucet' deposits to your wallet, you can end up with so much 'dust' that you can't make transactions any more. Tiny outputs cost more in fees to spend than they are worth, which caused a problem that this version fixed.

v1.4.13 and v1.4.14 didn't add much of any importance.

v1.4.15 updates the list of seed nodes. So if you're having trouble finding peers to connect to, that might help you. It also fixes a bug that prevented the RPC interface working on Windows, and adds code to ban misbehaving peers - so if you have a peer that is re-downloading the same blocks from you over and over and wasting your bandwidth, you might want to upgrade.

I'll be tagging v1.4.16 in the next day or two, which will use dynamic seeds that will always provide fresh peer addresses rather than using a hardcoded list of peers.

I would recommend using the newest version you can at the moment. I really don't think any of the recent changes will have introduced new problems.

I really don't know what to tell you. I think I would offer you some compensation personally, but I don't think they would be wrong not to. At the end of the day you did make the bets voluntarily, but only in response to them providing you with incorrect information.

At least some part of your loss is the site's fault. If their code was working properly you would never have lost the coins you lost.

Confirmation from providers isn't the same as proof.

No, the whole output will go to the specified address, but now I've added another new flag, -rewardto=ADDR, which sends just the block reward to the specified address:

See this transaction for instance. It was staked with:

  rewardto=xJDCLAMZSGaTadAzcS7tcVNTa46qCr6j2s                                                                                                  
  staketo=xJDCLAMZkcp7fQ3ieHfZA4SLu3aTy2Y1mr                                                                                        

So the reward goes to one address and the rest goes to a different address, and both are different than the address which is staking.

It will be in the next release of the client, v1.4.16.

I can't imagine you will get a refund for the bet that was made after you posted your login URL.

If they refunded losing bets after posting login URLs everyone could post their login URL somewhere obscure, then have a free bet safe in the knowledg that they could get a refund if they lost.

The best we can hope for is that Satoshidice stops publishing your secret URL on the screen as you play. That would go a long way towards fixing this problem in the future.

There's nothing much you need to do other than making sure your client is fully synced with the blockchain. If you're having trouble with that, my post here links to a bootstrap file that will help.

For better staking efficiency you can split your outputs up into pieces of around 10 CLAMs each, but the wallet will do that for you automatically in time anyway.

I uploaded binaries here: https://github.com/nochowderforyou/clams/releases/tag/v1.4.15

I don't know how to make OSX binaries with access to a Mac, so I only made Linux and Windows binaries.

Edit: xploited uploaded an OSX binary there too.

Probably, yes. I can't think of any other explanation of the observed facts.


Just-Dice has been trusted with over 60,000 BTC (worth over $50 million at the time) and ended up giving it back to its owners. Again you're right. It is not a scam.


I'm glad I can entertain while I educate.

It only runs through the hash if 25 independent numbers between 1 and 2^20 are over 10^6. That will almost certainly never happen. You can calculate the probability of it happening in the first trillion rolls. It's incredibly close to zero. So it will have no visible effect at all.

https://dooglus.github.io/bip39/ will let you access it. It takes your 12 word backup and gives you your private keys for importing into a decentralised wallet.

I fixed the issue today and made a new release:

  https://github.com/nochowderforyou/clams/releases/tag/v1.4.15

I'm guessing that official binaries will be linked from the OP soon.

I'm not treating him badly. I clicked the "thumbs up" and left a positive comment. He's doing a great job, telling the truth and admitting that the casino's advertising is misleading. I salute him for doing what's right rather than trying to cover up for the casino.

Whether I want to play there or not isn't the issue. The issue is that the casino clearly understands what provable fairness is, made a page saying how great it is, claims on that page that their games are provably fair, but in fact they aren't. That's a problem. Why would they do that?

I saw this thread linked in the Just-Dice "troll box", so thought I'd take a look. I skimmed through it and replied to the parts that referenced Just-Dice.


There's only one programmer, and he's also the owner. He's also me.

I stopped dealing with Bitcoin because I didn't feel comfortable holding $50 million worth of other people's Bitcoin. If I was going to "take all the coins and run", I would have done it when I had $50 million worth, not after switching to an altcoin deliberately to downsize.

Thanks for mentioning Just-Dice though. We recently reached the 200% point - anyone who contributed to the Just-Dice bankroll when it relaunched 7 months ago will have just doubled their deposit as of last week. On top of that, the price of the altcoin we use also doubled over the same period, so they will have quadrupled their money in dollar terms. 400% return over 7 months isn't bad, but of course we can't promise the same will happen over the next 7 months.


I keep seeing people talk about how long "ROI" takes. What does that mean?

If you invest in something and get a profit of even 0.00001% per day, isn't that still a return? Aren't you making a return on your investment from day 1?

I understand if you're buying something, like a mining contact say, which takes 100 days to pay you the amount you paid for it. Then you're running at a loss for the first 100 days, and at a profit after that. But isn't that a special case? If I buy Apple shares, I'm investing in Apple. Does it make sense to talk about "how long for ROI"? If the shares go up the next day, I've made a return immediately, haven't I? It's the same with Just-Dice, and as far as I know all other dice sites with crowd sourced bankrolls. You can invest and divest at will, with no fee, so you can "ROI" in 5 seconds if you're lucky.


Thanks for the vote of confidence. Note that Just-Dice pays staking rewards as well as sharing gambler losses. Others mentioned proof-of-stake coins as a possible investment. Just-Dice uses CLAMs, which are a proof-of-stake coin, generating something like 0.2% per day at the moment. Somewhat strangely this huge inflation doesn't cause the price to drop - the price has been increasing pretty steadily along with the supply.


You deposit coins, then contribute them to the bankroll. Players bet against the site. If they lose, you win and vice-versa. There's a 1% house edge, so in the long run you expect to profit. Additionally your coins stake for you while they're in the bankroll. The profit from staking generally covers any losses from players winning, even in the worst week we've seen so far. You get to chose your risk level. The most conservative investors have been seeing around 1.4% per week recently. Higher risk investors see much less stable returns, ranging from -3% to +10% per week recently. This post gives actual week-by-week numbers for the two extremes of riskiness.


The site takes 10% of (new, net) profits from losing players, and 10% of staking rewards. It's the same as it was for BTC.


That's a good point. You are exposed to fluctuations in the price of CLAM, and CLAM's market cap only recently broke the $1 million barrier (compared to several $billion for Bitcoin).


To be precise, every BTC, LTC, and DOGE address that had a non-dust balance on 12th May 2014 was given 4.6 CLAMs in the initial distribution of CLAM. So lots of people already have CLAMs waiting for them, for free. You need to have the private key for the funded address to claim the CLAM, but don't need to give it to anyone. You can check whether any particular BTC, LTC, or DOGE address has free CLAMs waiting for it by typing /dig and the address in the chat tab at Just-Dice.com.


Why CLAMs? I'm not sure. I was interested by the distribution method. Thousands of people already have some, for free. The coin was fully pre-mined, then all of it was given away, 4.6 CLAMs to every BTC, LTC, and DOGE address. I liked that idea. The problem with running the site for BTC was that it attracted way too many coins. I was holding over 60,000 BTC at one point. It's hard to imagine, but that's too much money to be able to relax around...


I get that a lot, but it's not actually the case. I used to be very OCD about keeping the Just-Dice wallet tidy. I would regularly sweep its balance into a single "cold wallet" address. I think I had about 30 funded addresses at the time of the CLAM initial distribution, and so got around 130 CLAMs for free. Maybe it was 20 or 40, but it was something around there. It's a little unfair, because people who never tidied their wallet up, and just let unspent outputs linger for months will have done much better than people who made the effort to keep the majority of coins safely offline.

Edit: I just counted. I got 49 sets of 4.6 CLAMs.


Did you stay invested? What return have you seen over what period?

the bitcasino provably fair page says:


Where is that button? I can't find it.

On your recommendation I asked their live support:






So the site isn't provably fair, they just claim to be? That's "misleading", as described by their own customer support...

I couldn't get the chat window to go full screen, so I had to screenshot it bit by bit, and messed up a little.

Here's a copy/paste of the text:

I've made a few posts about how scrypt.cc appears to be a scam. I'm not Marcelo, and couldn't care less how much you idiots trade your worthless "KHS" for. Just remember, if you are left holding the "KHS" when the scam shuts down, you lose.