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2921  Economy / Economics / Re: What makes Bitcoin to move this fast? on: December 09, 2017, 08:30:44 PM
Exponential growth and extreme volatility. The volatility comes from the ease of transfer and relatively low volume (compared to traditional assets). The growth comes just from Bitcoin very slowly starting to hit the mainstream. Things will get even more intense in the next months and few years and won't calm down until we reach a price of around 500k to 1000k, at which point the volume will be too large to trigger the kinds of movements that we see now.
2922  Economy / Speculation / Re: The rally will eventually end with a dip to at least $5.5K //3K on: December 09, 2017, 08:26:02 PM
I dont know how high it will go but that is how low it will go. Just a humble call made purely via pattern extrapolation. Since you so strongly believe it will not happen, that is exactly why it's going to happen. I have no further arguments.
Doubt it. The fundamentals have changed dramatically. So I don't see a drop to 3k happening. Possibly 5.5k but even that seems like a stretch and I doubt it would last very long.
2923  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: If you had $50, what would you invest in? on: December 09, 2017, 08:21:01 PM
Hey Folks, I know this was posted all the time, and sorry about that. But I'd like to hear from you what would you invest in if you had 50 dollars in your pocket ready to put into some crypto?

I don't know if you have a real time job, but $50 is really not enough to get started in investing in it. If you want to something with it, find volatile altcoins and buy one to sell after 2x pump.
Oh, really? How much would $50 worth of Bitcoin be worth today if you bought in early? Hint: Over 10 million.
2924  Economy / Economics / Re: What will happen if the government know bitcoin in your country? on: December 09, 2017, 08:19:38 PM
I think they will ban bitcoin because of the fearful that may affect of the economics of my country but i disagree there opinion because working bitcoin is very helpful for me especially the support financial.

Doen't matter if they government of our country or any other recognize the disadvantage of bitcoins and banned it. We people still use it even they banned. In china most of people still using bitcoin and investing on it.
But hey who's know they don't ban the bitcoin but applied some tax on the transaction because there's a lot advantages of bitcoins.  Wink

Fact. Even the president of the European Central Bank has admitted that he has no power over Bitcoin recently.
2925  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: WARNING DeepOnion is a SCAM, proof inside! on: December 09, 2017, 08:04:48 PM
It is in free fall now.
Did you exit that scam yourself our they kicked you out? Because as I remember, you were one of kind in promoting deeponion scam.  

Dev said he got kicked out for trying to make Multiple accounts and get extra coins.  Now he seems to be obsessed with bringing it down.  Funny how these "scam" things did not matter to him before when he was still part of airdrop.
There's no point in having multiple accounts though?

In the beginning there was.  It was a total pool of coins divided by the number of accounts.  It was not based on amount held.  Some people cheated the system by making 5x the number of accounts and got 5x the airdrop.  That's why the Devs were so slow to approve anyone into the airdrop and freezed entry for a bit.  People were up in arms about it so they decided instead to remove limitations and base it on weight of coins held (similar to what Byteball has been doing for a year). Now people are up in arms about unequal distribution.  Honestly there is no perfect way to do this.  There will be a group that feels slighted either way.
Multi accounts still sounds better than an outright ponzi scheme to me though.

This system was used by Byteball for a long time before they paused their airdrop to focus on development.  Byteball is definitely a very real and solid project and was the first Tangle to hit the market even before IOTA.  The fact that they paused it is very telling,  doing these airdrops take ALOT of time and resources.  The DO team definitely didn't have the manpower early on to handle all this and they are trying different things to figure it out as they go.  That doesn't mean it's a scam.  Would it have been better if they just ICO'd and asked for the $$ upfront like 90% of the altcoins.

If there sole purpose was just to spam, then they wouldn't have banned 100s of users for making low quality spam posts just to get more coins.  I think with every low Marketcap coin there is heavy potential for founders to run away and for it to be a scam.  I've seen this happen many many times from XBY, Bitbay, XEL, ZenCash Etc etc.  Fact is only time will tell.  It will always be the divide of people invested in it vs those that are not.  It's the stance of innocent til proven guilty VS guilty until proven innocent.

No it wasn't used by Byteball. Byteball paid out to holders of Bitcoin. DO pays out to holders of DO. You can't compare the two whatsoever.

And if you look at most DO posts then yes, they are spam. They very rarely provide any thoughtful comments or any substantial information. You're extremely exceptional as far as DO members are concerned, and you clearly know your way around cryptos. But even you have grossly misrepresented the facts by comparing DO to Byteball.
2926  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Short-term profit altcoin! on: December 09, 2017, 08:03:48 PM
probably,I prefer to use altcoin for short term trading the best choice is ethereum.. Because its value will definitely rise up.
 If you need other altcoins then you can choose Bitcash,Bitcoin Cash and Dash.. These are also will give you to get profit.. Before trade you should monitor current affairs about that alt and decide its correct time to trade or not.
Don't buy BCash. It's pretty much just a scam. The only time it climbed in price was when Roger, Jihan and their goons manipulated the price through washtrades and lies.
2927  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: If you had $50, what would you invest in? on: December 09, 2017, 08:03:00 PM
Bitcoin is 15K today and you want to invest $50. If you had put these $50 in Bitcoin early this year that would have been a good investment. Anyway, it's not too late, you could still invest in bitcoin and get good profits. If you want to invest in altcoins, you can choose from Ethereum, Dash, Litecoin and many more. Any of these will bring gains, just buy and hodl for some time.
Why would you buy Litecoin right now when it's just recently pumped? Terrible timing.

Instead of buying random big names, look up the roadmaps and check for upcoming news and implementations. Waves will go from $8 to $20~40 next week with the new wallet, mainnet and DEX rolling out.

And you want to put money into a coin that is already pumped? Hodling is fine, but when you're buying you should find the best entry and not just buy random things.
2928  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: BTC is dead. The plan is a shift to Bitcoin Cash. on: December 09, 2017, 08:00:19 PM
Since the beginning of this thread I could never take it seriously, and now I take it even less seriously. This may go down as the stupidest thread title on bitcointalk.

exactly, if hypothetically a hostile takeover of Bitcoin indeed could happen, and a fork coin would take the throne while BTC would go to cents from 10k USD+, this would be the biggest disaster in the history of cryptos, and possibly no one, not even the most zealous cypher punks would take crypto currencies as seriously after such a debacle... For that reason alone, Bitcoin Cash belongs in the graveyard of shit coins, unless they completely revise their ethical and philosophical playbook.

This so called shifting plan collapses clearly. bitcoin cashers saw that their arguments were wrong. They couldn't manage to stay realistic against bitcoin and they lost the war. Bitcoin destroyed all of them.
BCashers*
2929  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will Bitcoin rise to $500k in three years? on: December 09, 2017, 07:56:31 PM
There is opportunity  for bitcoin toward $500K if based on previous history. However, 3 years is too fast. And if that happens, I think banks or governments need to consider existence of bitcoin as another option than currency that has been in circulation.
I don't think anybody will really give a shit about banks once Bitcoin is that large. Unless they offer really good conditions.
2930  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: WARNING DeepOnion is a SCAM, proof inside! on: December 09, 2017, 07:54:47 PM
It is in free fall now.
Did you exit that scam yourself our they kicked you out? Because as I remember, you were one of kind in promoting deeponion scam.  

Dev said he got kicked out for trying to make Multiple accounts and get extra coins.  Now he seems to be obsessed with bringing it down.  Funny how these "scam" things did not matter to him before when he was still part of airdrop.
There's no point in having multiple accounts though?

In the beginning there was.  It was a total pool of coins divided by the number of accounts.  It was not based on amount held.  Some people cheated the system by making 5x the number of accounts and got 5x the airdrop.  That's why the Devs were so slow to approve anyone into the airdrop and freezed entry for a bit.  People were up in arms about it so they decided instead to remove limitations and base it on weight of coins held (similar to what Byteball has been doing for a year). Now people are up in arms about unequal distribution.  Honestly there is no perfect way to do this.  There will be a group that feels slighted either way.
Multi accounts still sounds better than an outright ponzi scheme to me though.
2931  Economy / Speculation / Re: Next 5 year for Bitcoin on: December 09, 2017, 07:47:23 PM
In the next 5 years, as I think with bitcoin, there will be a lot of events like a drop in price and growth, and so future BTC looks very good
So exactly the same as always?
2932  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: BTC is dead. The plan is a shift to Bitcoin Cash. on: December 09, 2017, 07:46:58 PM
BTC may not recover, but instead money will flow back to the superior, original bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash. Buy bitcoins now for under $400 again! Watch for the BCC related conference coming up this week. Huge things ahead! Don't be in the dark on these developments!
Nothing wrong if you like bitcoin cash as an investment, but how we can trust in the coin for the long term when it is very clear the coin is being manipulated by the miners, I would not want to invest my money in a coin that can move in such a way just because a group of people wanted to manipulate the price.
It's really hard to call a manipulative shitcoin an investment. Would require a lot of imagination...
Maybe I was generous with my description of bitcoin cash as an investment but you get my point, bitcoin cash is not a coin in which we should put any amount of money, there is only one bitcoin and everything else claiming against that is just a cheap copy of the original.
We can definitely agree on that.
2933  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: WARNING DeepOnion is a SCAM, proof inside! on: December 09, 2017, 07:46:15 PM
Answered that already several times. I got a total of 41 onions in 3 "airdrops". That is with this very same account, it is still the same, and without dumping a single one of the 41. I got banned by the monkii guy for speaking up about the domination spam. It was all said before, so save us the time for your FUD
How do you even know that? I got me banned some hour ago after a month being there and they never even told me what for so that earned them a lotta dislike buttons pressed in lots of places. All that talk about 'facebook like bots' so maybe that's some mistake. I'd purchase a dislike bot for that sake. Anyway they have removed the new posts and likes DP counter so only those noob spammers would get the Ke$h, and the rich could get richer as usual.
Obviously they don't want anyone who has any constructive or nonconstructive criticism. They only need frenzied shills spamming the internet. By the way, I'm a Nigerian prince and we're related. Send me 5 Bitcoins so I can send you back 1000.
2934  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ICO's in 2018 on: December 09, 2017, 07:40:38 PM
Keep a very close eye on Blocklancer in January. It's one of the very rare ICOs that I would actually set up a signature for, as I don't want to support questionable projects.
2935  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Short-term profit altcoin! on: December 09, 2017, 07:37:58 PM
Hello guys, I am looking to invest some money into an alt coin that will give me short-term profits over the next weeks!

Any suggestions?

Thank you Smiley
I've thrown several BTC at Waves in anticipation of the new mainnet, wallet, and DEX. Very likely going to be $20 to $40 next week.
2936  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: If you had $50, what would you invest in? on: December 09, 2017, 07:37:05 PM
Hey Folks, I know this was posted all the time, and sorry about that. But I'd like to hear from you what would you invest in if you had 50 dollars in your pocket ready to put into some crypto?
Right now, Waves. They've got some major improvements rolling out next week and have been going sideways for almost half a year now.

So we'll see the price going up from currently ~$8 to anywhere from $20 to $40 next week.
2937  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Invest .0025 into a lending platform? Any suggestions? Is this dumb? on: December 09, 2017, 07:35:58 PM
Yes it's dumb. All lending platforms are ponzi schemes.

The interests that they claim are so massive that they would end up creating more money than has ever existed in the history of humanity within just a few years. The only people who win are the creators of the ponzi scheme and some who were lucky enough to exit before the house of cards collapses.

If you want large short-term profits go with something like Waves instead. They've got four major improvements coming up in the next week, so the price will go up from currently around $8 to anywhere from $20 to $40 next week.
2938  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Short-term profit altcoin! on: December 09, 2017, 07:32:29 PM
Hello guys, I am looking to invest some money into an alt coin that will give me short-term profits over the next weeks!

Any suggestions?

Thank you Smiley
Waves will be $20 to $40 in the next 1-2 weeks.

- New mainnet
- New wallet
- New decentralized exchange
- Increased LPoS rewards
2939  Economy / Speculation / Re: All coins down???? Whats happen? on: December 09, 2017, 07:31:09 PM
I bought into BTC at ~$9500 ... now I regret not selling it all at $18,000. Now its at $15,000, and I am strongly considering selling all my BTC.
You sell, you lose.
2940  Economy / Speculation / Re: All coins down???? Whats happen? on: December 09, 2017, 07:15:07 PM
All coins are going down down down
Whats happen today?
This is anormal, all money leaving the cryptocoins?
Bitcoin falling in price usually means that all altcoins go down. It's a recurring theme in crypto.
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