take your first point, and remove the "Then they start visiting shady websites, clicking on all shady ads, clicking on links from spam e-mail etc..." and you have the safest storage
it was i'm doing since i discovered bitcoin, and not even a satoshi was stolen from my desktop, the first secure option is your brain
Yet. You cannot know what other dangers might lurk in the future. I dont really recomment what you are doing, it is very risky to store all btc in online pc. well not all, i still keep them in the cold storage like any other sane person, but i like to have an hot wallet with a certain amount for faster spending Oh sure, yes that is ok. We all use that, and its ok, I thought you keep all of them on an online PC which is very wreckless. |
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The birthday ebook is a good read about nxt and is a definite read among all the holders of nxt assets and coins. Nxt is definitely among the few cryptos out there which will survive in the long term.
Yea, a monthly journal or whatever period its published is very important. It keeps the developments summarized, and the newbies can learn easier from there. Althought it should contain more images. |
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Nice analysis! Why not just use a Trezor and set up all the bunch of fake accounts on it with a one word passphrase that you just must remember. In this way even the people that would extortion your coins can't do anything!
This would still be my option number 1, everything else is too complicated with too much hassle or not enough safe!
I`m not sure how trezor works, doesnt it only contain 1 bitcoin address or can you hold multiple? Can the attacker browse through your fake accounts until it finds the real one and demand that from you instead? |
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Shit, the devs shoud fix this asap before the word gets out and FUD-ers start screaming the price down.
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take your first point, and remove the "Then they start visiting shady websites, clicking on all shady ads, clicking on links from spam e-mail etc..." and you have the safest storage
it was i'm doing since i discovered bitcoin, and not even a satoshi was stolen from my desktop, the first secure option is your brain
Yet. You cannot know what other dangers might lurk in the future. I dont really recomment what you are doing, it is very risky to store all btc in online pc. Why Professional online PC storage is more risky than Responsible online PC storage by your scale? Professional way is worse or it is a typo?
No it's not. The red dot is the risk meter, check again. |
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Maybe it looks like a ponzi scheme, maybe not. Hard to tell  |
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Even if the people have a vague understanding they are getting fucked, they still have their bread and circus to keep them from taking to the steets and lynching daddy warbucks.
I have little hope of ever getting off this damn merry go round.
Bread = Food stamps, in europe there are food cards, and in general welfare that buys poor people junk food (fast foods) Circus = Smartphone mania, TV shows, Gaming (could make people antisocial), Political elections Yes, keep the sheeple distracted with those nonsense, and bring in the tyrrany in stealth. |
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According to your list this cannot happen as these DEA agents no doubt were military grade hardware and site.... but it did. No way of storage has zero risk.
What do you mean by this, I dont understand what you are telling me here. This will be my last post as I don't care to post in this thread and bump it up. It should be changed from storage methods to Malware Threats as you say that is what your focus is.... but to each his own. Read the article with it you missed a very important part by not reading. It is DEA agents with military grade equipment, and secret clearances doing bad things. They took BTC so... the point is as long as the human factor and greed is there there is no 100 percent safe storage. So you thoery about "Military-grade" being 100 percent safe is flawed. I suggest changing thread title to Malare Threats, not Storage. Don't post multiple times in a row in same thread in one day... one might think you are trying to push the thread to top of beginner thread. So read the article I linked, and also the rules on bumping threads as this is not ok below: Nov 26 - 2 post's in a row 11/28 - 2 posts in a row, 2 different times Ok i change the title, if its so confusing. But your logic isnt consistent too, if the attacker has military capacity to attack, then how else will you defend if you dont use the same quality defenses? Instead of plain paper wallet storage in a lockbox in a bank (where millions of things can go wrong), why not use AES encryption that is military standard? You basically want to give your bitcoins to the bank. Whats the point of bitcoin then. You should just use fiat then. |
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No, it's not hard to believe. After one scripted mega fake attack that led to something the next one's also bring the same question.
But there are only a few thousand people who question these things . Most people in Paris are so scared that they locked themselves inside their homes, and are afraid to go near the window. When sheeps get scared, the wolfs roam free, and tyrrany will come. I'm not denying that the history shows that the real perpetrators got their way every time. I'm just saying in the age of the internet people are also realizing this in droves. Few thousand is a seriously underestimated number. Too few, too slowly. Tyrrany will come. Only after that we can see any hope, after people tasted the tyrrany they cheered for. |
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According to your list this cannot happen as these DEA agents no doubt were military grade hardware and site.... but it did. No way of storage has zero risk.
What do you mean by this, I dont understand what you are telling me here. |
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Dude , I`m talking about PC malware stealing bitcoin. Do you not understand that you will have to import that private key eventually into a PC if you want to spend it. That is the point I`m trying to make. So a paper wallet is irrelevant in this discussion, because eventually you will have to import that key into a PC to be able to use those bitcoins. So, a paper wallet is not a point of access to bitcoins. Just as your credit card is not a point of access to your money: the ATM is.
The whole point of a paper wallet is that it keeps your private key (and BTC address) offline. So it is stored on a piece of paper. Your thread is about storage... not transmission.
No my thread is about safety & risks of different bitcoin storage methods that have point of access: keeping bitcoin safe against malware.
This is only an analysis of the security, from point of view of physical risk of theft or from malware
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No, it's not hard to believe. After one scripted mega fake attack that led to something the next one's also bring the same question.
But there are only a few thousand people who question these things . Most people in Paris are so scared that they locked themselves inside their homes, and are afraid to go near the window. When sheeps get scared, the wolfs roam free, and tyrrany will come. |
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The point is this: people are becoming very aware of the false hegelian dialectic
Hard to believe, there are so many sheeps out there that can be fooled infinite times. No, they will never learn, once the free market gets restored, these people will lose their money, as most likely they invested in the worst things possible: the fiat system. That will be their punishment. See the buttcoin retards: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/ |
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There is risk in using any of those methods mentioned. You can lose you key in the paper mess called a desk, you hard drive can crash, the site for your web wallet can not be accessible and the exchange you store your coins on can get hacked.
Nothing really is safe to store your coins on.
Yes, but i`m talking about malware security, not as in general risks. Read the first posts , the topic of the thread is protection against malware and other digital hazards. Losing the keys by other means are a different discussion. |
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How is paper wallet with private key not a "Bitcoin Storage method". You store BTC on a address you have private key to. Once you need it you can put private key into many different wallets depending on what's your favorite.
Yes that is what I meant. You said that a paper storage method is a method, but not in my list, because a signed data has to access an online PC to broadcast the transaction, which will happen in 1-9 ways. So a paper wallet is irrelevant in this discussion, as I`m talking about PC security. Plus a paper wallet is worse secure than a hardware wallet, because both can be extorted from a person but a harware wallet atleast has access to the PC and its more practical. |
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I always suspected that BTC was created by a software company or a tech company.
1 person can hardly create it alone.
However how you keep the mouth shut of those programmers that worked on it? You sign them a NDA, but then you need to get involved with lawyers ,and more.
The world would quickly get out and whistleblowers would leak that info.
So it is more likely that a military created bitcoin rather than a software company, only they can keep such project secret.
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It is, finally we can get rid of corrupt exchanges, and scam exchanges.
Tons of scam exchanges just do inside jobs all the time, rigging prices, and more.
Time for trustless systems.
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Best investment is education.
Because financial investments are always changing, and they quickly become non-profitable. Without education and keeping updated yourself, you will always lose money.
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Bitcoin = sanctuary for your capital
Bank = begging to be robbed (and not by bank robbers, but by robber banks)
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