seriously the nature of argument doesn't have to adversarial
It isn't my friend. You just make it turn out that way. Almost all the interactions I have had with you were on the basis of practices employed and ethics. Personal didn't enter into it until private information was posted. Guess by who? |
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The ones who shout the loudest have avalon asics and they really, really, really want BFL to fail - to the point they can taste it. More asics = less coins for them. I fear the need for you 'old timers' to want to educate us noobs is less altruism and more greed.
Wait, you mean we have nothing to gain by having BFL ship and meet their performance specs? Here I am sitting on a ton of BitCoins and my whoredom to Avalon is so great that I wouldn't ever dream/want to make money from a cheaper (yet unreliable?) alternative called BFL? Raise your hand if you wouldn't buy from a cheaper alternative? I buy hardware to mine Bitcoins, not to "date" the vendors rep. ----------------- The only truth is I am waiting to see if "the Avalon Clones" being made are worthwhile. They may be alot cheaper than even the BFL Hardware. Their reliability is still an unanswerable question. In which case, if BFL fails it will be my first strategic choice. Your assumptions are distorted and inane. Your fascination with the word distorted is noted. You have used it at least once in last few posts. You also mentioned NLP a little while back. I am sure there is a link here somewhere... help me figure it out. I hope you arent fixing hard drives today : https://plus.google.com/104100515304524528467/about?gl=us&hl=enDid you get my postcards? oh shit .. did I let the cat out the bag .. fuck .. ooopss God damn it wtf with all the retards in texas. .I need to gtfo before it rubs off. .. . Aha, Inaba in disguise. |
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You are ignoring one thing...
Are you an avalon asic owner k9quaint? - you don't have to answer but I'd be interested... No. I do mine, but I am not currently using Avalon, ASICMiner or BFL. I should thank BFL for sucking up all the capital that would have gone to either Avalon or ASICMiner. That capital would have been converted to hashing equipment sooner and impacted the network hash rate (and thus my profits) sooner. BFL has put money in my pocket by being so late. Amen, I keep telling people that BFL reps are a secret fans of Avalon. They are probably just shy. If only you actually had one PL. Am I right <wink> !? It's well known puerto has a 60 GH/s avalon asic - he tells everyone about it - and he slags off BFL any chance he can get on any thread in the forum - correlation ? People who put money into Avalon will probably get their chips and/or mining units. ASICMiner has also been a reliable way to convert capital into network hash rate. There is currently no evidence that I am aware of to support the contrary. To date BFL is an unreliable way to convert your money into hash rate. Moreover, there have been a continuous series of delays which benefited all miners. To maximize their profits, every miner should encourage people looking for ASICs to order from BFL. Finally, someone understands the cruel joke that is my Signature. |
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You are ignoring one thing...
Are you an avalon asic owner k9quaint? - you don't have to answer but I'd be interested... No. I do mine, but I am not currently using Avalon, ASICMiner or BFL. I should thank BFL for sucking up all the capital that would have gone to either Avalon or ASICMiner. That capital would have been converted to hashing equipment sooner and impacted the network hash rate (and thus my profits) sooner. BFL has put money in my pocket by being so late. Amen, I keep telling people that BFL reps are a secret fans of Avalon. They are probably just shy. |
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The ones who shout the loudest have avalon asics and they really, really, really want BFL to fail - to the point they can taste it. More asics = less coins for them. I fear the need for you 'old timers' to want to educate us noobs is less altruism and more greed.
Wait, you mean we have nothing to gain by having BFL ship and meet their performance specs? Here I am sitting on a ton of BitCoins and my whoredom to Avalon is so great that I wouldn't ever dream/want to make money from a cheaper (yet unreliable?) alternative called BFL? Raise your hand if you wouldn't buy from a cheaper alternative? I buy hardware to mine Bitcoins, not to "date" the vendors rep. ----------------- The only truth is I am waiting to see if "the Avalon Clones" being made are worthwhile. They may be alot cheaper than even the BFL Hardware. Their reliability is still an unanswerable question. In which case, if BFL fails it will be my first strategic choice. Your assumptions are distorted and inane. |
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Example,
A customer purchases a machine that mixes heavy concrete in large batches. The customer purchased it from me as vendor for his use and buisness and the contract specifies I must deliver within 90 days. I give the customer constant assurances that everything is on schedule and the machine that mixes concrete will be on time.
Now I do that for the next 11 months. (remember 90 days was the agreement, promise or no promise)
You do realize that if I miss my target date then I have to inform them with a accurate timeline as to when it may arrive or be completed....and even when it will be delivered to them. I miss more than 20 of those promised ship dates.
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What do you think will happen?
The customer will take me to court, the customer will ask the court to give them payments for damages they incurred by the late delivery of a product they ordered and paid for.
They will get their refund, plus I will have to pay for all the other issues they seek repayment for.
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In this case, Single SC customers paid for a device that produces Virtual BitCoins Currency. They paid in good faith. They paid in full, up front and they were given a reasonable shipping date. Then they were given additional dates for the next 11 months.
Seeing how that became a trend, I find it hard to believe BFL hasn't been sued yet to the tune of the device itself plus monthly sums the customer failed to receive due to BFL's poor business practices and constant date fabrication. (in my opinion)
Edit: It will be like "mining BFL" rather than with BFL hardware. (a small joke)
60Gh/s x 180 days = (Guesstimation) 400 to 700 BTC~!
52,000 to 93,000 USD per BFL Single SC customer....yikes....That is only for one (1) 60Gh/s machine....
I don't think even BFL customers know how much they have lost in the year long wait...
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Absolutely false. I have never claimed BFL was a scam.
You implied it. . and been supportive of people saying it. Do I really need to link the "Newbie" thread? And the history of your comments is misleading, since you've already stating you were deleting posts while you were begging to get your orders back. And threatening a lawsuit at the same time (wtf. . .. how did you think that would end). . . .And created this thread. .. all the while in shoutbox begging to get your units. Ugh, Alright, so if I ran a company like BFL. I guess Endlessa would tell me I did the right thing by giving Xian his money back, despite having legitimate complaints and openly stating various recourses for failing to meet my obligations to deliver his purchased product in a reasonable time frame. |
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It's not about complaining, it's about being abusive and damaging to their business.
What's BFLs business? It's definitely not building and shipping ASIC miners to customers. Maybe it's collecting money and telling customers fairy tales to fook off?! Corrected it for you. |
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So you support the position that customers who complain should be refunded without seeking or opting in to a refund?
The reality distortion field around you is so intense that I think I can see the back of my own head.
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Lets say you really do support this position. Then when should a customer legitimately complain, nottm28? Are you the type of person that only sees things in black and white?
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Days waiting: 190+
Loop Resolution:
IF complain,
Then, issue refund.
Else, remain silent.
END Loop.
It's not about complaining, it's about being abusive and damaging to their business. They tolerate lots of complaining. In forums, shout box, etc. but if I had a customer that was damaging my business, yes I'd shit kick them to the curb and never look back. You overlook one obvious issue, the customer didn't fail the process. The company itself failed to produce the product the customer already paid for...which results in the customer complaining. Not because the customer wants a refund, they want the product. So the shit bowl is caused by BFL failing (repeatedly) to meet its obligations. The response so far is to be vengeful to the customer and (with a chorus of BFL suckups) to blame the customer as somehow being less intelligent. (See the blog post from Jody on people being required to jump from a plane first or openly stating that they ignore all ("negative") emails.) I take it you all see nothing wrong with this picture?So Yes, I support them in their decision and freedom to choose what kinds of people they want to do business with. You mean failed to do buisness with. . ..It's shocking to me that in a deregulated free market supportive community such as bitcoin, so many people would raise a stink eye. Did you miss the part of the 11 months of waiting? Is it fair? no, but tough tits, free market isn't fair, it all choice. I don't understand how people performing general ass-hattery (imo) seem so surprised when people respond in kind or think they are entitled to immunity. The free market has nothing to do with fairness. It has everything to do with supply and demand plus competition. What an illogical position....or statement....to make....SIGH They are entitled, to their purchased product. Cowardice is failing to meet those after repeatedly missing objectives, being aware of it, then blaming your customer for your own inability to produce purchased product. Again imo, suggesting to people to not purchase product or that a business is disreputable is a direct assault on their vitality. I personally think they were being kind by politely terminating the relationship.
Vitality? You do realize the problem is the company fails to deliver the product to it's customers within a reasonable time frame. That alone speaks to it's vitality. The facts testify to the company and it's performance. The only thing the customer is doing is selecting which words to represent that. |
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"There has been a misunderstanding, my venting has been mistaken as not wanting the products I ordered, please keep my orders in place." or was that insulting enough/final straw kind of deal
This is pretty much exactly what happened; I responded back saying I was not interested in, nor did I ask for a refund. When Xian told them he didn't want a refund, they forced it on him by "terminating" their relationship with him. They didn't offer any choice. Nor would I offer any choice if one of my customers slated me so publically, so often. I'd give them their money back and be done with them... So you support the position that customers who complain should be refunded without seeking or opting in to a refund? The reality distortion field around you is so intense that I think I can see the back of my own head. -------------- Lets say you really do support this position. Then when should a customer legitimately complain, nottm28? Are you the type of person that only sees things in black and white? =========== Days waiting: 190+ Loop Resolution: IF complain, Then, issue refund. Else, remain silent. END Loop. |
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Also, this is a response to requests from customers on their forum to be able to upgrade for an additional $100. It didn't come from BFL to begin with.
However, whether those customers on the forum were BFL employees or not I don't know.
50$ per extra GH/s? When the first GH/s are significantly less? 4.5Gh/s /divide by/ 149 = 33.11USD per Gh/s 5Gh/s /divide by/ 274 = 54.80USD per Gh/s Hmm, I take it back, the Bitforce 5 is REALLY expensive per Gh/s.I guess I will have to bear the bad news to you folks. Overclocking was one of the selling points of BFL hardware. The company stayed mostly quiet on the specifics of that. But many were led to believe it would be a free software option. (It is apparently not) Avalon has free overclocking settings. BFL? Nope. How many dollars does it take to get to 71Gh/s? |
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Sounds like their Jalepenos are either under, or over-performing with a revised design and it's costing them. They can't force you to pay more, but to cover their costs they have to request you do.
Gut feeling, seems odd they would have two board revisions this late in the day otherwise.
Would love to know what people get if they don't upgrade, whether it will be under spec or over spec.
Guess we will find out in due course.
The original design had one chip and no heatsink, <Sigh> False. The original design used the top plate as the heatsink. (Hence the name "Jalepeno" and it's coffee warming capability. the current design is much larger, two chips and a big heatsink and fan. So all of a sudden they can only make half as many units from a wafer, True, up to this point. but they can drive them harder then just having one chip if they want to. False premise, if that were true, they wouldn't need two chips. Early April when they discovered that they would need more parts to make a unit, the price went up too.
False, the ASIC chips themselves don't double the price. They just "wanted" to raise the price to double the cost across all their product lines. The ASIC chips aren't the cause of the price going up. BFL reps can correct me if they object to this statement, but won't, because that isn't the case. |
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"There has been a misunderstanding, my venting has been mistaken as not wanting the products I ordered, please keep my orders in place." or was that insulting enough/final straw kind of deal
This is pretty much exactly what happened; I responded back saying I was not interested in, nor did I ask for a refund. When Xian told them he didn't want a refund, they forced it on him by "terminating" their relationship with him. They didn't offer any choice. |
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Let me see if I have this correct: BFL is making it mandatory to pay extra to receive a product you've already once fully paid for It looks like it's optional, not mandatory. But yeah the cheek, they should throw that in for free considering how long BFL has made you/is making you guys wait. The funny thing is.... They gave people the extra 20Gh/s on the Single SC line for the first 45~90 days of waiting. The next 90+ days after that...nada. |
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Add $100 to order to get new firmware and faster clocks.  Log into your existing order status and see.  You know what is funny? I speculated/accused BFL of selling future firmware "speed upgrades" at cost to the customer way back when they turned their Single SC from 40 to 60Gh/s. I was called a liar by the rep back then for even suggesting it. Well, here it is. The BFL customer is about to know what it feels like to get tapped twice for something they already purchased.... I guess that is one less "lie" the BFL rep can accuse me of. |
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Lol, what a cunt.
The state of affairs is clearly getting to her. This is the voice of someone who is enjoying her position of perceived power. The psychoanalyst in me is enjoying this rare public display of compartmentalization, reaction formation and assertiveness. This would have been the pschometric testing @ Big Fucking Lies (BFL) 1) Are u or have u ever been regarded as a PsychoPath.....Yes / No 2) How would you rate you lying skills on a scale of 1 to 10 ? 3) If questioned by Government officials does your memory of events fail you at times.... Yes/No 4) Do you take pleasure in the misfortune of others..... Yes/No 5) Would you steal food of another hungry person to feed yourself or would you go hungry yourself ? 6) Do you see the truth as sometimes getting in the way or an inconvenient anomaly to what would be a better result for yourself and others in the long run I think its pretty obvious how that nest of thiefs and liars test results would have looked...lol 1) Are u or have u ever been regarded as a PsychoPath.....Yes / No *By BFL Reps Yes, Everyone else without a reality distortion field, No or Maybe.*2) How would you rate you lying skills on a scale of 1 to 10 ? *Define what you consider a lie?*3) If questioned by Government officials does your memory of events fail you at times.... Yes/No *My closest friends say I used NLP techniques in their conversations, I think they don't know what they are talking about.*
http://www.nlpco.com/4) Do you take pleasure in the misfortune of others..... Yes/No *I do not take pleasure in my own misfortunes, no.*5) Would you steal food of another hungry person to feed yourself or would you go hungry yourself ? *I can only say on record that I have considered not giving the dollar (openly viewed) in my hand when asked if I had a dollar. Then I caved and did exactly that.*6) Do you see the truth as sometimes getting in the way or an inconvenient anomaly to what would be a better result for yourself and others in the long run *The question is silly, the truth always comes out.*(The preceeding was a total fabrication and obfuscation of any and all questions asked! |
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If you get "an Angry Josh", you've complained waaaay too much.
At least if he get's "an Angry Josh", you can bet he'll get a forced refund ! Not a consensual refund? Is that different from a statutory refund? (Sorry, I couldn't help but joke about it) |
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All the signs of the end of BFL are here. If you haven't gotten a refund yet I strongly suggest you do soon. And if they aren't responding keep at it. Call multiple times a day. Bug them until you are in the clear.
Call them incesantly about your refund until you get "an Angry Dave" on the phone. If you get "an Angry Josh", you've complained waaaay too much. |
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Levels of Confidence (the scale): No Confidence > Optimistic > Average > Confident > Above Average > Certain. They said, Above Average....to.....Optimistic? Huh, that interesting....They put the Above average first and then Optimistic second. Rather than say: LS/S/MR should start shipping sometime during the week of the 26th of May, 2013. Not guaranteed, but confidence level is optimistic to above average.
They say: LS/S/MR should start shipping sometime during the week of the 26th of May, 2013. Not guaranteed, but confidence level is above average to optimistic. In this case "Optimistic" means your expectations bloated and are higher than reality allows. Hence, "Optimistic". |
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