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29481  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2014, 07:10:32 AM
I've been buying a little here and there, too.  I buy on the way down and sell on the way up...  

I buy on the way down b/c I do NOT know how far the price is going to go down.... We have NOT even broken $420, yet.... so I am glad that I did NOT sell at what may be the bottom... but maybe we will get $410 over the weekend, before starting to move back up....

Isn't buying at $1000+ like, the opposite of buying on the way down?

That's when I started at $1200.... and then I have been buying when prices going down... yep.  

You want to make fun out of that system?

How can you call it "on the way down" when you started at the very top? Clearly that $1200 purchase was waaaay on the way up.

Yes, that is when I started.. I bought 1.245 BTC for $1500 on Localbitcoin to start out.. Then thereafter I bought on dips... and mostly on the way down.  It took me a little more than a week to set up an account on coinbase to be able to continue to buy on coinbase after that.    So what's the problem?  except for the fact that you are looking from your own perspective.  You do NOT know anything about my total investment portfolio, my risk aversion, my reasons for getting into BTC.  You want to criticize without knowing particulars.. for what reason?  Are you trying to teach me something?  to say I told you so?  to say that I did something wrong?  What's your point, exactly?

My point is exactly what I said, you didn't start by buying on the way down. Starting by buying on the way down would have put your first purchase at about $800 or something. It's easy to buy on the way down when all it's doing is going down, but be honest: if the bubble had ended at $2000, would you have been buying straight up to the top thinking it would never end?


Surely it is possible that I misspoke somewhere along the line; however, my point is that my recent strategy was buying BTC on the way down.  That has been my preferred buying strategy... even though I got in towards the peak prices. 

However, when I first started investing in BTC, in the end of November, I did NOT know how far up BTC prices were going to go, I was attempting to front load a little bit for the first month b/c I had NO idea if the price would keep going up to $2000 or whatever.... but it took some time to get my various accounts going (which ended up being my coinbase account for purchases)

So once my account was able to buy daily then I budgeted to buy several times during each day an allocated amount of fiat until I felt that I had accumulated somewhat of a stake into BTC.  So I would try to buy at low price points during each day - and I had considered that as a form of daily dollar cost averaging, with front loading of my investment. 

A little more than three weeks into my investment, right before christmas, I had accumulated about 13.5 BTC and my average buy-in price at that point was $764 and I had a little more than $8,000 invested into BTC.  Thereafter I adapted my strategy a little bit.... but largely intended to be buying mostly while prices were on their way down.  This practice has been pretty easy, since prices have been going down a lot between the end of December and present. I would sell on the way up, if I were to get sufficiently into the black...   At this point, it seems that it may take a little while to get sufficiently into the black.. as BTC matters are currently progressing in a seemingly downward trajectory.

So does that make sense to you, or do you want to grill me some more to attempt to figure our whether I am pulling your leg.. or not following a sound practice or you want to criticize some thing that I am doing or to suggest that I am either lying to myself or incompetent or some negative motives or you want to try to suggest some other investment strategy or you are engaging in Monday morning quarter-backing?

In any event, hopefully, I have clarified sufficiently for you to understand my earlier statement(s).

By the way, What's your story?   Do you have some personal investment details that you can share (sort of a quid pro quo)?  Surely people have different investment approaches, depending upon when they got in, their risk profile, their other investments and maybe even depending on their reasons for getting in.  Part of my original motivation remains my current motivation and that is to diversify or hedge my dollar investments.  I feel that I have way too much of my total investments in the dollar.











29482  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2014, 05:34:02 AM
Was thinking a few days ago bidding at lower 400's would be a safe, smart play even for bears. i am quickly changing my mind.

I told a guy I know that was interested in bitcoin a week ago that I thought breaking through 400 CAD was unlikely.

I told him again today that I no longer held that view.

I am feeling now that we might go below 400, until the point of maximum pain.

on this journey, simply remember...

“I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
― Frank Herbert, Dune

Maximum pain would be below $200, no?


$150 ~ FULL RETARD,,, imo =) lol

Something like $150 would be painful.. will it go down quickly or take 3-12 months to get there.  I think that I could hang with $150 if it took a year to get there, but that price point would surely weed out quite a few weak hands... and yes, if it took 24 months to get there, then probably some pretty negative news would need to be in play.....


i vote for hard and fast to $250 then mega bounce to $3000-$5000 with tons of madness + circus acts ! LOL =)

Wait!!!!  you are switching from $150 to $250...   Probably would weed out more weak hands at $150... but it would probably be very difficult to hold that price point.. absent additional bad news...
29483  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2014, 05:30:00 AM
Much more pleasant that previous lows.  No ddos. No large embezzlement.

LOL. No frappuccinos in sight this time.

I read that Mark K.  cannot even be found these days.. and the fear is that he is NOT going to show for any of his court dates...   .. but maybe that it is tomorrow's news..   we got china and australia to deal with, today.


^maybe it wasn't his idea but he had every chance to turn things around and he just let it ride so i dunno ~ dead or in the Bahamas? =\


I would bet on something Bahamas like... but he's gotta try to go somewhere where he and his cat will NOT stand out... and maybe buy his own frappuccino machine.. so he wont have to go out too much.

29484  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2014, 05:25:24 AM
Was thinking a few days ago bidding at lower 400's would be a safe, smart play even for bears. i am quickly changing my mind.

I told a guy I know that was interested in bitcoin a week ago that I thought breaking through 400 CAD was unlikely.

I told him again today that I no longer held that view.

I am feeling now that we might go below 400, until the point of maximum pain.

on this journey, simply remember...

“I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
― Frank Herbert, Dune

Maximum pain would be below $200, no?


$150 ~ FULL RETARD,,, imo =) lol

Something like $150 would be painful.. will it go down quickly or take 3-12 months to get there.  I think that I could hang with $150 if it took a year to get there, but that price point would surely weed out quite a few weak hands... and yes, if it took 24 months to get there, then probably some pretty negative news would need to be in play.....
29485  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2014, 05:20:51 AM
I've been buying a little here and there, too.  I buy on the way down and sell on the way up...  

I buy on the way down b/c I do NOT know how far the price is going to go down.... We have NOT even broken $420, yet.... so I am glad that I did NOT sell at what may be the bottom... but maybe we will get $410 over the weekend, before starting to move back up....

Isn't buying at $1000+ like, the opposite of buying on the way down?

That's when I started at $1200.... and then I have been buying when prices going down... yep.  

You want to make fun out of that system?

How can you call it "on the way down" when you started at the very top? Clearly that $1200 purchase was waaaay on the way up.

Yes, that is when I started.. I bought 1.245 BTC for $1500 on Localbitcoin to start out.. Then thereafter I bought on dips... and mostly on the way down.  It took me a little more than a week to set up an account on coinbase to be able to continue to buy on coinbase after that.    So what's the problem?  except for the fact that you are looking from your own perspective.  You do NOT know anything about my total investment portfolio, my risk aversion, my reasons for getting into BTC.  You want to criticize without knowing particulars.. for what reason?  Are you trying to teach me something?  to say I told you so?  to say that I did something wrong?  What's your point, exactly?
29486  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2014, 05:13:05 AM
Fairly low volume still, bulls still defying China news.

YEAH>... bulls still HODLin....
29487  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2014, 05:11:49 AM
Much more pleasant that previous lows.  No ddos. No large embezzlement.

LOL. No frappuccinos in sight this time.

I read that Mark K.  cannot even be found these days.. and the fear is that he is NOT going to show for any of his court dates...   .. but maybe that it is tomorrow's news..   we got china and australia to deal with, today.
29488  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2014, 05:06:39 AM
Was thinking a few days ago bidding at lower 400's would be a safe, smart play even for bears. i am quickly changing my mind.

I told a guy I know that was interested in bitcoin a week ago that I thought breaking through 400 CAD was unlikely.

I told him again today that I no longer held that view.

I am feeling now that we might go below 400, until the point of maximum pain.

on this journey, simply remember...

“I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
― Frank Herbert, Dune

Maximum pain would be below $200, no?
29489  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2014, 05:02:36 AM
I've been buying a little here and there, too.  I buy on the way down and sell on the way up...  

I buy on the way down b/c I do NOT know how far the price is going to go down.... We have NOT even broken $420, yet.... so I am glad that I did NOT sell at what may be the bottom... but maybe we will get $410 over the weekend, before starting to move back up....

Isn't buying at $1000+ like, the opposite of buying on the way down?

That's when I started at $1200.... and then I have been buying when prices going down... yep. 

You want to make fun out of that system?
29490  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2014, 04:34:33 AM
Now is really the time to discuss 15m formations, lolololol
Cup&handle on the 1m spotted
reversed head&shoulder on the 3m
......

Chaos will enfold soon!


where do you think the bottom is ?



~350 in the next 18 hours

Long term bottom in the next months around 100$
 


Not sure id want to pay $350..   I'll wait for a better offer Cheesy

I would never ever buy in at this point, but we might stay there for a few hours/days due to consolidation.

Why not, I took a bite at 425.2

I've been buying a little here and there, too.  I buy on the way down and sell on the way up...   

I buy on the way down b/c I do NOT know how far the price is going to go down.... We have NOT even broken $420, yet.... so I am glad that I did NOT sell at what may be the bottom... but maybe we will get $410 over the weekend, before starting to move back up....
29491  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2014, 04:27:42 AM
I think I was born with excessive empathy. I feel horrible for you guys and I'm full fiat. You're buying into a meat grinder. Hidden miracle whale is your only hope. I could throw everything I have at that and it wouldn't make a hiccup. The ask walls are dropping. 1100 coins to $445.

make that 1200 coins.   

Good.. your mood has improved.   Cheesy
29492  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2014, 02:08:57 AM
Thursday will be DUMPsday once again.

I dunno...   We got a $10 decrease in the last 15 hours .. but then price currently floating, largely between upper $430s and lower $440s...   

Doesnt necessarily mean that the price will continue to go down..

Maybe lucky to get into the mid-$420s before Sunday.. then when Sunday comes, maybe will be the question about whether we would start a slow  BTC price uptick from there? 

May be a good week to take off from BTC, although I am still considering buying some on Saturday?
29493  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 09, 2014, 10:17:10 PM
There are many ways to manipulate a market, but the ultimate enemy of a manipulator is time. If you have the patience, price will always return to it's real value. If it doesn't return ,then by definition it's not manipulation.

What really worries me is the talk of the bulls on this thread. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_costs.  The sunken cost fallacy is a real observed market phenomenon.
Most of you have not had to hold an underwater bitcoin position for years. I have. It was not a smart thing to do. It was an act of faith. How strong is your bitcoin faith? The market will test you.

Bitcoin isn't dead. Not even close, but if you don't think it's even possible to get much much worse before it gets better, then I can assure you it can. With all the talk about Gox and China, what worries me is if some other completely unrelated disaster happens before we've recovered. Bad guys don't play fair. They will kick you when you're down. They are out there. I'm intentionally being discouraging right now. It's better to get out now if you're going to get out than to hold on until you can't hold on any longer.  Bitcoin doesn't need you to go broke for the cause. Honey Badger don't care.

NOT causing me to sell. 

I will wait it out and keep buying BTC as the prices go down to $200 or even lower...  but I tend to doubt the likelihood of that $200 scenario - even though I agree with you that such a scenario is possible.
29494  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 09, 2014, 08:16:34 PM
Looking at the volume, it appears to be one of the tremors before the big quake. The recovery to $445 is on no volume at all. I pulled one of my re-buy orders until I find out what the hell is going on. How can there be that many limit buy orders with no market-order buying?

There appears to be much expectation for a major liquidity event in the downward direction. There is a minute chance that this is a head-fake by whales, but I seriously doubt it.
If you can't spot the sucker at the poker table, then you are the sucker. I'm folding my hand to conserve chips.

What's that mean, exactly? 

I thought that you were all in Fiat at $456 or $458 or something like that. 

So at this point, you could buy some BTC back at a profit, no? and then if we dip lower, buy some more... unless you are saying that you are just going to sit out this roller coaster (a kind of train) in fiat?   

Personally, I would rather sit it out in BTC, but each of us have our own levels of diversification or hedge.

A 6$ profit after a $600 drop from the ATH? Yeah, I'll get right on that.


That's just it. Since most of my holdings are in cold storage, I'm using my trading stash as a hedge right now. I've seen bitcoin prices go stupid high and stupid low. They are low now, but they aren't stupid low, considering China AND Gox.  I'm a Bitcoin true believer, but I think that works against me as a day trader. I'm trying to zero out my bias, but I may be overdoing it. I don't know what to do. I suspect that these buy walls are not there out of demand for cheap coins, but out of fear of a further drop. There is almost nothing on the other side of $400.


Why would anyone put in orders below $400, when the probability of such seems so low and also, seems that they have to get through the supra $400 walls first?   

And, the truth of the matter, seems to be a broken record repeated theme that NONE of us really knows which way it is gonna go.  We seemed to have gotten another $10 squeeze downward this morning, which caused me to buy a little more. I would be very surprised to see anything much below $420 - for more than a flash crash... ... but, yep, anything remains within the realm of possibilities.... including the suggestion that something fishy is up.. especially, if we have a mini dump .. and suspecting something else will follow from that.


29495  Economy / Speculation / Re: Automated posting on: April 09, 2014, 07:02:32 PM

We are back to a fairly solidified 444.


Confirmed!
29496  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 09, 2014, 06:42:56 PM
Looking at the volume, it appears to be one of the tremors before the big quake. The recovery to $445 is on no volume at all. I pulled one of my re-buy orders until I find out what the hell is going on. How can there be that many limit buy orders with no market-order buying?

There appears to be much expectation for a major liquidity event in the downward direction. There is a minute chance that this is a head-fake by whales, but I seriously doubt it.
If you can't spot the sucker at the poker table, then you are the sucker. I'm folding my hand to conserve chips.

What's that mean, exactly? 

I thought that you were all in Fiat at $456 or $458 or something like that. 

So at this point, you could buy some BTC back at a profit, no? and then if we dip lower, buy some more... unless you are saying that you are just going to sit out this roller coaster (a kind of train) in fiat?   

Personally, I would rather sit it out in BTC, but each of us have our own levels of diversification or hedge.
29497  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 09, 2014, 02:48:24 PM
Seems like a lot of people buying on Huobi (probably wall street), people must be realizing that the downtrend will be reversed soon. Within a few months price will be at 100k $ per bitcoin, I am holding and buying.


Lolol   Grin

just checking... you're being sarcastic ... right?

EDIT: dude is serious Cheesy

thats the funniest thing I ever read...


"people buying on Huobi (probably wall street)"


how exactly are they funding this?  how will they deposit their money?   Is King Mansa Musa buying too Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



Sorry I am just having a blast here with the bulls.

Yeah.... we are suffering quite the tragedy... OMG... Bitcoin is dead...
29498  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 09, 2014, 02:42:19 PM
Seems like a lot of people buying on Huobi (probably wall street), people must be realizing that the downtrend will be reversed soon. Within a few months price will be at 100k $ per bitcoin, I am holding and buying.

ME TOO!!!!!   
29499  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 09, 2014, 02:40:33 PM

sorry my mistake, it's $5-6 per day.



I think you missed the point entirely

huge dumps everywhere

$5 move = huge dump? still miss the point.

All MACD in the red... you are missing the point Smiley



OM  F'ng G....... Let's look over there while Jonoiv escapes with the loot (and fails to respond to the question(s))




29500  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 09, 2014, 02:37:50 PM

sorry my mistake, it's $5-6 per day.



I think you missed the point entirely

huge dumps everywhere

An, in what year are going to answer the question, along with responding to the posts with similarly repeated questions ?
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