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2981  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: CRYPTSY stopping withdraw locking accounts without notifying users! Class Action on: January 25, 2016, 05:02:10 AM
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand...     It's not just you! http://cryptsy.com looks down from here.

And for his next trick, Marshall Long will attempt to destroy Bitcoin by attacking it with an altcoin named Classic:

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The Classic coup attempt orchestrated by the Classic Kabal (Marshall Long, Olivier Janssens, Jonathan Toomim, Michael Toomin, Gavin Andresen and Jeff Garzik) demonstrated how an organized and determined small group of individuals came very close to be able to change Bitcoin development governance model, riding the popular demand to increase the block size limit.

In the beginning of January Olivier Janssens and Mashall Long asked Jonathan Toomim to be the lead maintainer of a “simple” 2MB Hard Fork, called BitcoinClassic, after Gavin Andresen and Jeff Garzik refused the role.

(Disclaimers: Olivier is an investors in Spondoolies-Tech, we had business relations with Marshall Long and his company FinalHash and Jonathan Toomim is a customer and hosting partner of Spondoolies-Tech)

https://medium.com/@vcorem/lesson-learned-from-the-classic-coup-attempt-or-why-core-needs-to-prepare-a-gpu-only-pow-6a9afe18e4b0
2982  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DCR] Decred - Hybrid PoW/PoS | btcsuite Devs | Tons of New Features | Go on: January 25, 2016, 04:45:19 AM
Premine? Really? And 4% goes to one company straight away for free.

That 4% isn't given "for free."  It's an attempt to put the risk on devs, while giving them a chance to earn back/profit from what they already put into the project.

Developing and launching a project like this isn't cheap, and this is the most fair way to deal with that fact they could think of.

Can you do better?  Great.

It's not like they launched the dCred like Evan launched Dash, IE by surprise and with a broken emission system that granted them 20% off all the coins, then made it worse by lowering the maximum number of coins.
2983  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT on: January 25, 2016, 04:35:01 AM
the problem is the limit in the number of transactions per block.. who cares what the actual size of the data is?

exactly.. but blockstreams roadmap is not to increase capacity by reducing tx data.. .

segwit screws with checkability just so that lemmings can have basic unverifiable data and pretend they are fullnodes when infact they are light nodes.. not checking signatures

and here is the rub. once the lemmings are holding blocks of no signatures pretending they are powerful.. blockstream then want to add more parameters and opcodes into the mix bloating basic tx data back up.. so to allow for lightning and sidechains, there would be things like transaction version number parameters added in.. and some other stuff.. so a 1mb uncheckable block wont hold 6000-8000tx's it will instead hold 3000-4000 again....
right back to where they started, but they will still claim to lemmings that all of this new fnctionality is still possible with 1mb, while the full checking nodes will be holding more than 1mb..

there is even a laughable BIP that wants to add 250bytes of data ontop of a segwit transaction(bip47).. called a payment code. to hide the value people send each other (similar to stealth addresses ideology)

so expect that while segwit stays at the 1mb limit. to not see larger capacity of transactions at all, or for very long..

2984  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT on: January 25, 2016, 04:20:55 AM

if segwit went for 2mb... every other implementation and different bitcoin program would need to have atleast a 3mb, possibly 4mb limit just to cover whatever segwit miners sent out as their faked 2mb data limit

you keep bringng this up, is this correct? From what I understand, with segwit, it will only be 1MB for older pre-soft-fork clients. and 2mb or more for new clients. The tx and sig will be in separate data. not sure if there will be a size limit for the sig part of 1mb or more?

with segwit released .. old pre-fork clients will no longer be full checking nodes as signatures wont be included by default.. if old clients tweaked the sourcecode to allow themselves to get the extra signature data that segwit hides, to regain the position of being full checking nodes again.. then the data wont be 1mb under a segwit1mb limit.. it would be 2m of real archival fully checkable data.. if segwit in 2017 finally implemented the 2mb limit.. actual real life (not theory) data including signatures would be 4mb.. not their faked 2mb of uncheckable data

my numbers are not law.. they are just used as examples to show that if you include the hidden data, you know the stuff that FULL checking nodes need.. its bigger then what segwit wants to admit to

they want to make users not be full checking nodes and have less data. and undersell the real data requirements that full nodes will receive

Anyone who wants to keep checking signatures is welcome to upgrade.

I don't remember anything about non-segregated (merged?) witness being part of Bitcoin's social contract.

Segwit probably would have been in the original version if Satoshi had the benefit of what we know now.

Segwit pays off technical debt (ie malleability is history, fancy new crypto-magics are now possible) and also gives a nice right-sized bump to the tx per second.

Win-win.   Cool

OTOH, Classic's 2MB at the cost of unpredictable fork war chaos is lose-lose.
2985  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT on: January 25, 2016, 04:03:03 AM
Some billionaire throws Gmax and company a few million bucks to fund open source Bitcoin development, and they want to cripple it why? Liquid is a pegged sidechain.

Liquid is a payment channel, not a pegged sidechain.  They are completely different things.  Do you not understand how Bitcoin works?


I thought Lightning was the payment channel.

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Please advice on your exact degree of technical incompetence

3 years resident, 2 years intern.

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Have you ever even used a compiler or written a script?

No, I'm not even a real doctor.

OK Frap.doc Junior, where's the citation for your outrageous/libelous "billionaire bribed Gmax to cripple Bitcon" claim?  No rush, we'll wait.

...

...

Anyway, Lightning is one possible implementation for the general idea of a payment channel.  It's like how there's more than one kind of band-aid, but there is the well-known official Band-Aid too (and they come in different shapes/sizes/fun designs/prices/materials).

If you don't know what write caches are and why it's a Very Good Thing for your CPU, hard drive, OS, and torrent client to each have one, you'll never understand, much less like, payment channels such as Lightning.  Sorry about that.   Embarrassed

As for side chains, you may be able to think of them like cities or counties within a state.  They can set their own local laws as they like, as long as they do not conflict with the nation they are part of.  Your Bitcoins have to obey the local laws while they are visiting a sidechain, but can leave if they don't like it.

Good luck in school.  I recommend doing eye care; it seems cushy.  A few minutes zapping with the Lazik, a few minutes chatting up the customers, and then you can spend the rest of the day posting about how much you love buying Frappucinos with Bitcoin discounts, and how Bitcoin will surely choke to death if tx fees at Starbucks ever went above 10 cents.
2986  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT on: January 25, 2016, 03:36:22 AM

the only problem is that the inexperienced bankers want to destroy bitcoin so that people invest in their fiat.

the only problem is the blockstream people want to cripple bitcoin growth so that people will invest in their 'liquid'


If Bitcoin can be destroyed by "inexperienced bankers" it doesn't deserve to live.  If Bitcoin can be crippled by "blockstream people" it doesn't deserve to live.

Notice: When the experiment ceases to be viable (ie provide useful information), it will be terminated and replaced with a new version utilizing appropriately modulated control variables.

^That's what Guy Corem and his brothers-in-arms are saying.

We'd love for SHA-256 to keep working for our Honey Badger, but if SHA-256 turns out to be fatally allergic to bee stings or cobras then it's time for an upgrade.

Consequently, this is Bitcoin Civil War 2 melodrama is much ado about nothing.

The SHA-256 miners will keep their jobs as the diligent, hard-working, and supremely well-paid security guards of the socioeconomic majority's Most Serene Republic.

But they will cease further forays into Palace Intrigue, because they are merely the current SHA-256 PoW means to the end of distributed antifragile Nakamoto Consensus.

There's nothing very special about the SHA-256 PoW.  Not anymore than there was about 1MB at the time it was selected as the max block size.

Bitcoin is not married to the SHA-256 PoW.  If there is a 51% mining attack by Toominista hard forkers, the Holy Blockchain is already at risk of catastrophic consensus failure, so the small block militia has little to lose and everything to gain by swapping out the centralized, compromised, and failing SHA-256 PoW for a different one. 

It's no different than replacing car's broken engine.  In the framework of the Bitcoinmobile, a new (and improved) PoW engine will still do its job, which is turning energy into Power.

It doesn't really matter if it's Scrypt, Cryptonote, constellations of prime numbers, Keccak (luke-jr) or the thing GPU-only Guy is proposing (I'm calling it CoreCycle).  All it has to be is at least as good as SHA-256, but not SHA-256.

If the SHA-256 miners try to be the boss of the Bitcoin owners, they will be fired.  Because they are so exquisitely specialized and thus completely vulnerable to PoW shift, they will quickly back down.  As mining profits have been driven down to marginal rates, SHA-256 miners cannot afford to risk missing a single 1MB block because they are fooling around with "not much testing needed" 2MB ones.

Who would understand that better than Guy Corem, CEO of Spondoolies?  (No points if you said 'Adam Back' or 'luke-jr!')   Wink
2987  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT on: January 25, 2016, 02:34:24 AM
Some billionaire throws Gmax and company a few million bucks to fund open source Bitcoin development, and they want to cripple it why? Liquid is a pegged sidechain.

Liquid is a payment channel, not a pegged sidechain.  They are completely different things.  Do you not understand how Bitcoin works?

Please advice on your exact degree of technical incompetence so we may patiently better meet your educational deficit's requirements for amelioration.  Have you ever even used a compiler or written a script?

And what is the name of this billionaire who supposedly bribed Gmax to cripple Bitcoin?  Do you have a cite for that assertion?

You really should form opinions after learning the facts, not the other way around.   Wink
2988  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: January 25, 2016, 02:18:58 AM
binaryFate, simple and neat.  I have learned to always give great weight to what you say whether they are small things or of great importance. 

smooth, good points.  How best to do this?

iCEBREAKER, yes cryptocurrency is redundant.  After reading many posts on bct it seems that people don't really know what fungibility is so I don't know if it is a key selling point.  After all btc is fungable  Grin so therefore I guess all cryptocurrencies are.  Please take the emoticon as irony, sarcasm or whatever emotion I was trying for Tongue

I just felt it was important to get every on board properly.  Taking into account those that do not spend enough time to know all that is going on and those that are relatively new.

Then there are the slow ones.  This post took me over 1/2 an hour.

Thank you for your consideration, The Drooling Masses™

I vote for Hueristic's enigmatic submission.

"[XMR] Monero - The Future, Fungible || Mandatory: v0.9.1"

People don't know what 'fungible' means because it has several (overlapping/conflicting/contextual/technical/economic/casual/controversial/radial) definitions.

That intriguing vagueness is a good thing.

People don't know exactly why being 'fungible' is so important , but they know it's from the future and they want it!   Cool
2989  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT on: January 25, 2016, 02:04:17 AM
much easier to have a 2mb buffer sooner

Yes, Classic is renowned among crypto professionals for its agile, fail-fast "not much testing needed" approach.

Have the amateur ToominClowns started signing git commits yet?


slowly killing off bitcoin   Cry

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Go tell BitcoinObituaries.com all about this week's d0000msday forecast.  Your Hearn@signit.google.mil style hand-wringing is a better ideological fit over there.   Smiley
2990  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT on: January 25, 2016, 01:50:34 AM
#UNR3KT

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As Miami conference has not reached consensus, the Chinese community members gathered in Beijing to seek consensus within China. The aim is to prevent split of community, seek common ground while reserving differences. Core has said that a scaling without consensus is too risky. We will give them the consensus.

(Did I do that right?)

No, this is how you do it.


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Lesson learned from the Classic coup attempt or why Core needs to prepare a GPU only PoW

Guy Corem
CEO of Spondoolies-Tech


https://medium.com/@vcorem/lesson-learned-from-the-classic-coup-attempt-or-why-core-needs-to-prepare-a-gpu-only-pow-6a9afe18e4b0

The Classic coup attempt orchestrated by the Classic Kabal (Marshall Long, Olivier Janssens, Jonathan Toomim, Michael Toomin, Gavin Andresen and Jeff Garzik) demonstrated how an organized and determined small group of individuals came very close to be able to change Bitcoin development governance model, riding the popular demand to increase the block size limit.

In the beginning of January Olivier Janssens and Mashall Long asked Jonathan Toomim to be the lead maintainer of a “simple” 2MB Hard Fork, called BitcoinClassic, after Gavin Andresen and Jeff Garzik refused the role.

....

What will happen to Core chain if Classic will be activated?

Will Classic activation mean the end to the Core chain ?

Not necessarily; Careful planning on behalf of Core will allow it survive.

I believe that Core developers will split into three camps: Some will join Classic Chain (and fork), some will quit Bitcoin altogether, and some will continue development on Core Chain (and fork).

....

Miners and pool operators, friends and partners, I urge you to rescind support for this hostile political takeover and keep Bitcoin growing within its existing consensus-based governance.





2991  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: January 25, 2016, 01:13:41 AM
"[XMR] Monero - The Future: Fungible, Wild, Free || Mandatory: v0.9.1"

Fixed?   Tongue
2992  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: January 25, 2016, 12:50:52 AM
A small complication with updating the OP, input requested.

The max length of the title is 80 chars. Currently we are at 60 chars with "[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency". Adding " || Latest Version: " already adds 20 chars.

Suggestions?


updated by fluffypony

"[XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable, fungible.  || Latest: v0.9.1"

By context we know it's a cryptocurrency, and (100%) fungibility is a key selling point.
2993  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: January 25, 2016, 12:41:07 AM

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sample of some of the conversations I had to help illustrate just how well we were received:

    A merchant buying and selling digital gaming assets (think of world of warcraft assets) is suffering from fraud and wants to offer digital currencies but customers want instant credit-card-like experience, so he was really intrigued by InstantX. He wants to offer a discount to customers paying with Dash®, which will eliminate fraud losses and credit card fees. He has over 100,000 customers and 20,000 active monthly. He wanted to know if we would partner to offer a discount (something Bitcoin can't do) for a customer's first transaction using Dash. Very interesting way to gain consumer adoption with a group of customers already familiar with the concept of a digital asset (but maybe not digital currency). I thought it sounded really interesting way for Dash® to access consumer market.
   
 An aviation fuel merchant who wanted to accept Bitcoin, but couldn't figure out how... he either had to force his customers to wait 10 minutes for a block confirmation to get some assurance the payment will go through, or he had to be willing to dispense $8,000 worth of aviation fuel to fill a plane relying on a 0-conf transation and feared he would be targeted for fraud. InstantX again was very intriguing for him.
   
    A retail payments consultant that works with retailers to implement PoS solutions. Wanted to understand how we could lower merchant risks at the PoS in physical stores

Those sound like things that would require friendly regulation and licensing as a money service business.  Who will pay the army of lawyers and lobbyists needed for such an act of Deep Capture?

Good luck getting Dash® approved for that stuff in New York, the one place where it absolutely must be accepted.

Dash® should never have abandoned the original vision of Darkcoin, which was in line with Justus R's 'only System D matters' analytical razor.

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Every single person who has been beating the drums of regulation, compliance, and conformity is proposing that we change Bitcoin’s fundamental value proposition in order to cater to a segment of the economy that is predicted to shrink from less than 1/2 of the global workforce to less than 1/3 over the next six years, while simultaneously shunning the only segment of the economy which is growing.

They might as well be advising us to buy our tickets for the Titanic or hitch a ride on the Challenger. Follow their advice if you want Bitcoin to fail and take you with it.

For everyone else who wants Bitcoin to succeed, this facts suggest an easy way to evaluate every innovation in the general cryptocurrency space. Every time a new startup launches, or a new software project announces, ask one question: “Does this new thing improve the black market?”

If the answer to this question is “no”, then the thing is useless.

Harsh? Not really. In any other context would you even ask the question, “If we have a choice of focusing on two customer bases, one which is project to grow by 50% over the next six years while the other is projected to shrink by 33%, which one should we choose?”

So bring on the money laundering, tax evasion, drug marketplace, and unregulated taxi service software. Anyone who isn’t actively working to expand and empower the informal economy is wasting their time. 

https://bitcoinism.liberty.me/only-the-black-market-matters/

Therefore, all the Dash® bagholder blue sky daydreams about replacing WOW Gold® and Visa® are useless.
2994  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT on: January 25, 2016, 12:32:25 AM
WOW, that is a shocker.. now icebreaker sounds like a greedy banker.. i guess he has moved over to the R3 darkside

happy that centralised exchanges who send large amounts of 10k coins can be sent in one go but completely ignores that 5000+ PEOPLE (separate transactions) may want to use their funds at the same time.. but cant


That doesn't make me a "greedy banker."  Rather, it makes me one who realizes the One True Holy Blockchain can keep the bankers' potentially-useful natural greed in check, by ensuring transparent and honest financial institutions.

I've always known the destiny of private-sector digital currency (eventually/ultimately to be known as "Bitcoin) is to replace central banking, by acting as an easily auditable 'digital gold' mother-of-all-settlement-networks.

Hal Finny said so 5 years ago.  Where have you been?  Do you think Bitcoin is here to replace commercial banking?  Or make it more profitable when parasitic start-ups resell expensive, externally-subsidized blockchain real estate to impress their institutional backers?

Do you think this is about replacing fucking Apple Pay and fucking Square hipster/yuppie/Person-of-Walmart consumer quotidian bullshit?   Cheesy

Compare

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"I believe this will be the ultimate fate of Bitcoin, to be the "high-powered money" that serves as a reserve currency for banks that issue their own digital cash." Hal Finney, Dec. 2010

to

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"I believe this will be the ultimate fate of Bitcoin, to be the "low-powered money" that serves as a gift certificate for Starbucks that issue their own delicious seasonal Frappucinos." cypherdoc, probably.

Then consider the possibility you "FREE TX 4EVA" Tooministas are useful idiots for the R3 darkside, or, GTFO n000b!
2995  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Should Boolberry implement a tail emission? on: January 24, 2016, 11:36:27 PM
Is the only purpose of tail emission to encourage continued mining in a situation where transaction fees alone are not economically sufficient to do so?

IIRC there was discussion in a Monero thread about a feature tail emission was required for, or some attack it prevented.

As long as there is some cryptonote coin with no tail emission (preserving diversity of approaches and mitigating risk) I'm fine with BBR doing it.

But absent some immediately compelling reason, I'd table the motion until BBR's 10th birthday, then re-consider.
2996  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Peter Todd calls dash snake oil. on: January 24, 2016, 11:17:40 PM
Peter was right to call Dash snake oil.

Dash's dev has dropped his plan for masternode blinding.

Privacy is no longer a concern for Dash as it tries compete with Visa and Bitcoin as a centralized payment rail.

All that 'anon stuff' was thrown out along with the Darkcoin brand.

The consensus from the experts is that DASH "anon" tech is not based on solid cryptography yet their market cap still says they are doing well.

1. Are their true marketing experts promoting DASH?

or

2. Is the price artificially inflated due to centralized control of a few "instaminers" who seek to retain that control with the masternode voting and reward system?

My guess is a combination of both 1 and 2. Lets not discount the successful marketing of DASH so far (primarily targeting lesser educated newcomers) or underestimate how long it can last.

Dash's ostensible market cap isn't comparable to fairly launched 100% proof of work coins.

It's inflated by the insta-mined (+insta-mastered) coins nobody ever worked to produce nor paid market rates to acquire.
2997  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: January 24, 2016, 10:53:19 PM

Conference was a success just look at how many new fools they got to buy in all the way to 017.

Now they are #REKT

How long to you think the resistance at 0.01 will last?

After 0.01 defense fails, it's back to the bad old days of the 0.005- 0.006 range.  Or worse.
2998  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT on: January 24, 2016, 10:27:03 PM


https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/42e551/25_billion_worth_of_bitcoin_transactions_verified/


2999  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DCR] Decred - Hybrid PoW/PoS | btcsuite Devs | Tons of New Features | Go on: January 24, 2016, 10:07:46 PM
Can i not give a fuck about the vetting process
so what if people got multiple times
it just means cheaper decred at the exchanges for us
why you people complain so much ??

Because this is Bitcointalk and this is the internet.

Complain about all the things!   Angry
There are 2 kind of people around here. Those who complain and those who complain about complainers.

There are 2 kind of people around here.  Those who divide the people into two groups, and those who do not.
3000  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: DASH Collapsing Monero UP on: January 24, 2016, 09:04:41 PM
The timing of this DASH dump is peculiar with all the marketing activities currently happening in Miami.

Any feedback from people in attendance? Did the audience buy into the "DASH Evolution" vision or seem to reject it?


Here's the only feedback that matters:



Looks like the instamine beneficiaries took full advantage of the Evolution pump, just like the rebrand hype-and-crash cycle.

And/or the market is rejecting Evolution because it's just a roadmap.  People were expecting a unique new technology, not a heap of vaporware including lousy 'let's make yet another Sia/Storg/Maidsafe.'

DASH isn't well funded enough to do any of the Evolution projects well enough to beat specialized/well-funded competition in each category, yet alone do all of them.

Evolution is unicorns stacked on unicorns, all the way down.

It's easy for Evan to fool his largely self-deluding cheerleader and cultist bagholders.

Fooling the market for any extended period of time is a different story.

There will reversions to quality technological innovation, such as

https://github.com/ShenNoether/MiniNero/tree/master/brief (Ring Confidential Transactions).
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