I'd add something more to this: it could look like they would be endorsing or at least advertising bitcoin.

Plus, I would not be surprised that some politicians may have been doing a great deal with some businessmen who bought the coins at such a great price (and will help the politicians with donations for next elections).

Well, they don't care about the (lack of) advantages for the average Joe. They think on advantages for them, advantages we know - full tracking and control on people's money. Of course, they may sell CBDCs as good for businesses, which will no longer have to pay big fees to VISA/MasterCard, instead they will pay a symbolic fee (if any) for the use of the database (CBDCs) coin. And if they wrap that nicely, people will use CBDC instead of cards.

You chose to believe the lying narrative. I guess it help you sleep better.
However, you're off topic here.


The Russians thought that Europe will turn a blind eye on the war, like they did with Crimea, to keep them connected to the pipe.
Also they've made it overly expensive (to finance the war), forgetting that on such prices other sources can easily become attractive.


I guess than only the LNG part can be expanded; the pipes for actual gas are long and might need developed more, and that's overly costly.
However, it can easily be a good move for both Nigeria and Europe. And even if the current govt doesn't do great there, there's always hope the next one will do better.

You should use your own address, safely generated, and certainly not a third party. Just imagine that you actually get to hit a block and there's a problem with your payout. And you cannot prove ownership on the payout address either...
So you risk losing a lot of money for... laziness?

Learn how to safely generate and store an address for yourself. If you cannot do that, get yourself a hardware wallet. Better safe than sorry.

There were many saying on twitter that Tesla has bought high and sold low... they've convinced me and I didn't go to check the numbers.
So they were not at loss after all?

Exchanges can get hacked.
Exchanges can suffer from inside jobs.
Exchanges can get bankrupt.
Exchanges can lock your funds because of whatever laws.
Exchanges can lock your funds because of something they don't like in your KYC filling.
Exchanges can lock your funds because you got your funds from somewhere they don't like or you use your funds somewhere they don't like.

And... does anybody expect them admit that they're unsafe for your funds?!!!?

In theory it is... if one does his math right and doesn't pay more for fees than it earns (this is in general, since no-fee trades won't stay forever).

But there's a big problem in reality: if you are inexperienced you can end up with a lot of Bitcoin when the price goes suddenly down or you can end up with a lot of USD when the price goes up suddenly. So you have to know how to foresee such cases and have safety nets that allow you continue trading (even with a small loss) if this happens.

This is why people tell that trading is not for everybody: it is difficult, no matter how easy it looks for short periods of time.

Since many people don't read the news and many bitcoiners are not on this forum, I do expect some will fall for phishing, with or without emails sent by Shiftcrypto...


Raspberry Pi are overly expensive and out of stock in most places.
SeedSigner is bitcoin only, afaik, which means "no" for many.
SeedSigner may need a bit of knowledge it you indeed want to DIY (although I think that one can buy it already made too).

Clearly. But imho that's not what OP was talking about.


Yup.


But overall.. they're on a loss, right?
Somehow I feared they'll sell earlier the bulk, i.e. while they were still on profit, but the market was going down.
But, as some said, the effect now (i.e. in 2022) may have been much more devastating.


Indeed. And despite their announcements that they may buy bitcoin again, right now I hope they'll never do that again. We don't need this kind of investors.

This has been answered many times, OP should really do some search.
One of the reasons is that a vast majority of altcoins is bought/sold (only) for bitcoin. This makes them very dependent on bitcoin price in USD.

For me the surprise is that they (allegedly) bought high and sold low.
For me the surprise is that they didn't sell in Q4 2021.
For me the surprise is that people cares so much about this.


I'm not sure it was Elon's call. It may have been the Tesla board...(which I expected to be smarter).


Shouldn't this happen about all the personalities? They say what they think it helps them more. They do what they think it helps them more. They don't care about their followers/readers (why would they??)

Indeed, there's a huge difference in mining costs. However, if one change is made wrong, Bitcoin price can easily go south badly. So bad that even mining price won't matter. So bad that you will look to <insert altcoin here> and sigh "bitcoin could have been even better".
This is always to be taken into account, hence you should not dismiss so easily people like @TraderTimm or @tadamichi (or their opinion), no matter how badly or offensive they express this reality.

Now, to @TraderTimm: don't worry, this discussion is more at academic level (i.e. ideas and nothing more), I don't expect anything really change.

I've used vanity addresses in the past, but not anymore. They look cool for a while, but then... they're just addresses.
As said, there can be risks, especially if you don't know what you're doing or using a flawed tool. Then there are obvious privacy concerns. Then they kinda make you reuse address, which is not great either...

So at the moment I understood HD wallets, I gave up vanity addresses.

@Fivestar4everMVP: you can look for topics about vanitygen, get the newest binaries from the oldest thread, play with it locally, whether you'll ever use such an address or not. You will see that it's not quick&easy to generate one, especially if it's long. if you want to use such an address, make sure it's a good vanitygen and make sure you generate it in a safe environment.

One day they like them (innovation and so on), next day they don't (emissions and other lies).
One day the promote them (in order to also promote CBDCs), next day they want to reduce people's interest in them.

So they have no idea. Still, they do like to tax the income from crypto, don't they?

Since Tesla's sale off has already happened at least weeks ago (if not months), most have understood that this news changes nothing. Of course, some needs more time to understand that's old news.
Also.. we're still in bear market; I've said it not long ago that the recent rise can very well be just a bull trap.
And somebody has also said something interesting: literally anything can trigger the next sell off (not as news, but as pretext). Is it  the case? I don't know. We'll see.

We need more patience until we're sure the bear market is over.


PS. It was a big surprise for me that Tesla did buy high and sell low. I've been expecting them be smarter.

People are careless. You can train them as you want, in most cases a new scenario will take them off guard again.
I've seen something very smart somewhere, but obviously costly: the people connect to virtual machines and only those are part of the network. The laptops are just machines that can be hacked. The people will most likely open those documents on the laptop, not inside the VM. Problem solved

It depends on what you count as relevant. Imho they are relevant, since they are "paying customers".
For example imho Ethereum is seen as a very successful blockchain exactly because it has so many tokens using its infrastructure (and paying for that).

It looks indeed fishy. Supporting the flag.

Merit sources' each point of (merit source) sMerit replenishes at 1 month after it was spent.

I guess it depends on each merit source's habits and activity (meaning topics read) how much merit they can spend; I know merit sources were asking for more, I know cases some were spending much less than the monthly quota (I don't know though if that still happens).

People who bought high are scared. Some love to exploit their feelings and making that kind of topics has the potential to convince them sell.
Also, while 1$ and "bitcoin is dead" are obvious FUD topics, questions whether the bottom is in or how long this bear market last are actually legit imho.


The current surge is not that big. It's nice, but fr from uncommon. So asking for reasons may not give correct answers.
It may be China problems (as you said), it can be end of bear market, it can be bull trap. We'll see.


One can look into recent history and will see that some banks did take people's money in the past financial crisis. Bitcoin was created to fight that.
But people never learn. Greed (and poverty) make people risk big money to earn some more cents. Average people's financial knowledge is almost zero. And governments (and banks) exploit that at maximum. This is the world we're living in. So you're right: people should carefully hold their Bitcoin.