...Josh? Is that you in there? You've not taken to trolling your own troll accounts to keep the "debate" moving, surely? Things will improve you know, you might even get ASICs before the end of next month (just be sure you're first in line on that 2nd batch of Avalons!) Oh no! You've discovered my secret! I mean his. |
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First they (BFL) stated they were perfectly ready to ship (or so they thought) in October 2012. It's quite embarrassing for a company when they think they're ready to ship, but then realise that they have INSERT_MAJOR_ISSUE and INSERT_MINOR_ISSUE and have to delay. Companies don't like to show off their failures, so they would (understandably) want to be light on details. If they have active competitors, they want to be very light on details so that their competitors can't learn from their mistakes. Therefore, any announcement you see will rarely be the full story; perhaps just INSERT_MINOR_ISSUE. Apparent inconsistencies between announcements are likely in this situation. |
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This whole thing is a waste of time...why can't someone just make a generic ASIC that can do anything/everything?
Those exist. We call them CPUs. Has anyone tried to mine with them? |
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This whole thing is a waste of time...why can't someone just make a generic ASIC that can do anything/everything?
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I do not care what BFL will do with the BTC after I've sent them. I've no control on that and certainly this is BFL's choice what % of the BTC they want converted in USD and what % of currency exchange risk they want to bear?
Is that a question? |
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At first the majority of the posts made with this account are concerned with ASICs
Bored engineer ing student, considering branching out into ASICs. Eventually. in particular BFL
BFL has the most amusing trolls. bASIC is a mess right now, and there isn't much to post about with Avalon...although I'm annoyed that they abandoned their video demo promise, but they can still probably ship. your being online to post ratio is incredible.
Thank you. with an asic preorder
I haven't actually ordered yet. Will be doing so when I hear that the chips actually work, since there's an undeniable possibility that they might not. higher than usual emotional attachment.
I mostly just post a lot when I think people are wrong. |
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BFL didn't ask me to pay US dollar
Sorry, they actually did. Their website shows US dollars on the home page. The order page doesn't even show a BTC amount immediately when you click BTC...there is no BTC sales price. The conversion is automatic and after you've picked what you want to order and agreed to the USD price. |
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They always will be refunding until the amount of new pre-orders sales is greater than amount of refund. Different strategy is not worth the reputational risk. How certain are you that it's a scam? |
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They're refunding anyone who asks...
No, they don't. They do not honor full BTC refunds. If you mean that you paid 100btc 6 months ago and intend to receive 100btc today ... go astray, do not be a hustler. The price is fixed in dollars and pay their conversion in bitcoin. Today, we do the conversion of dollars to bitcoin and is what you get, if bitcoin is revalued will be less, but the value is the same. You know, if the value of BTC went down, and they sent refunds in exact BTC values, they'd be raging as well! People always complain when they don't get as much money as they want and come up with a justification after they're already annoyed. Oops. That poor horse  |
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If everyone goes there with non working things, than its OK to do so? Yes. CES has decayed into a "plz buy/fund our unfinished 4G toothbrush" convention. |
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They're refunding anyone who asks...
No, they don't. Yes, they do. They do not honor full BTC refunds.
You said they didn't refund them at all! Don't act like refunding the same USD value (and not BTC...I don't feel like beating a dead horse) is equivalent to not refunding at all. That's stupid and stupifying. |
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I remember your account just popped up since a few days ago
Uh, my account is older than yours... I "popped up" when I heard about ASICs shipping "soon". I never believed BFL would pay people to do puppet accounts, but you are a highly suspicious fella.
Suspicious how? For not attacking them at every possible opportunity? For accepting the reality that startups usually deliver late (especially on ASIC products)? |
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BFL says non-refundable since, well 1st of January though.
Look it up asshamser.
What are you saying? Are you saying they won't refund after January first? Now you are telling me that BFL might refund out of good will, regardless, aren't you? Now isn't that nice.  Payments made for pre-orders of ASIC based products now under development should be considered non-refundable until products begin shipping or 1 January 2013, whichever is earlier.
That means they planned to start sending refunds after January first. They actually changed their minds and refunded people as soon as they asked, and continue to do so. I'm still not sure what you were trying to say... |
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I guess BFL did software simulations of the ASIC design and founded on these results the design was chosen for production without prototyping. Also the specs are founded on the software simulations I guess.
It's possible that they had prototype chips in a different package, identified all the issues in them and rolled in the fixes with the package change. ok, could be but then you have an iteration of the prototyping process with several different prototypes and at the end you will have one prototype without errors and you can use these chips for prototypes of your product and show this to the customers.  Certainly. In this case it seems that they're under a lot of pressure to ship on time, so they're betting on this revision being the golden one. I hope for their sake that it is. |
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... and they made fools of themselves by showing an empty box (instead of prototype) at CES 2013 Do not be childish.... What does that have to do with anything? CES is packed full of shit that doesn't work yet. |
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BFL says non-refundable since, well 1st of January though.
Look it up asshamser.
What are you saying? Are you saying they won't refund after January first? |
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How many days can you do chargebacks on credit cards for ? If they push back most delivery times past that they can take the money and customers cant do a chargeback.
They're refunding anyone who asks... ...inb4 "herp derp they will stop". If they wanted to run with the money, they would have done it months ago. The longer you take pre orders and the more well known your company becomes, the harder it is to pull off a successful scam. |
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I guess there will be lots of refund requests in the following days once BFL customers read the new 'update'?
No there won't..... Most of them will still stick to BFL cause they believe (like really religious "batshitcrazy" people) that their holy savior ASIC will arrive soon. Even if there is another delay  Okay, what kind of delay are you expecting? Point to the part of their timeline where the failure will be. |
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I guess there will be lots of refund requests in the following days once BFL customers read the new 'update'?
Why? They now have a published timeline to follow. If they fail to follow it, then the refunds will come in. If anything, people will be more likely to order now that they have a better idea of what's happening. |
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I think you should post this video more; not enough people know that you're in the habit of harassing company representatives to try and make them look bad on video. |
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