Now you want to ridicule religion! What haven't you made fun of yet in order to try and make the Uro credible??

Re: [Moderated] [ANN][URO] A Real Long Term Currency: 1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea
Today at 12:09:37 PM
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Quote from: hobopete on Today at 11:58:40 AM
I have noticed that the FUDDERs are in FULL FORCE TODAY!
You get to thinking why they want so badly the price of URO to go down?

We might see a Huge PUMP coming for URO

Quote from: Truthful on Today at 11:52:40 AM
Delusional thinking is never a good look nor is it good to read. Sad

Taking money from people's livelihood is not a happy thing is it?

Quote from: hobopete
Isn't that EXACTLY what YOU are trying to do? cause people to lose their investment?

Quote from: Truthful on Today at 11:52:40 AM

What investment? What about what Vual said https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=728924.0

He was told too bad about his loss!!


This thread is for the truth,
Nothing will be removed from this thread unless its abusive.

If someone has a good theory about URO why its real or why its fake,
Post it here noone will remove it, and you can talk about the truth here.

This is not a offical thread this is a community thread supported by uro community,
Those who dont like this thread are those with something to hide...

In regards to "are they really going to send me 12,000 tons of urea for $12,000" yes i understand most commodities and gold mining company's run at major losses for the first few years....
But i cant see them running at such a loose that they will give me 500% on a 20,000$USD investment.................. I really cant..............
Even if they where going to run at a lose for the next 5 years and make good on there delivery why do that... why not just use the next 5years in potential profit buy up the URO so it matches price of urea...
they are counting on buying now very very low and holding for 3 - 5years and by that time if they do everything right it will be worth the price of urea i see what there business plan is it makes sense to a degree but i just dont think they have enough capital to sustain huge losses everytime someone accumulates 12k for delevery...
Here is my story:




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Sorry guys but thats the end of URO i think....
I can bring it to 00015 with 1 click of a button, not 0015 00015....
URO is dead.... Where where all scammed.

I lost about 7k on URO, down maybe 10BTC, so if anyone was hurt more then me i ask you to come forward...
I dont blame anyone just need to use my descresion more next time. It looked legit turns out now way in fuck is it.

I dont wanna hurt anyones feelings and cry out accumulation all you want, i have 4years experiance doing this look at my profile and this URO is the most eleberate scam yet...

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Cause im so fucken pissed off i would rather go down with the ship...
Also i almost have 12k URO, so who wants to add to mine to make 12k so we can collect delevery on this URO at least make these assholes pay for that...
Us claiming delevery will be proof this is real or a scam.
Im sorry to burst your bubble but the entire thing is a big fucken joke, think about it are they really going to send me 12,000 tons of urea??
i have 12k URO....  Of fucken course they will not, thats $6MILLION in UREA..... at 500 a ton...... lol seriously wake the fuck up and watch this,
im going to try get my 12k delivered according to the protocle i proposition bet you now 5k USD they wont do it.

If you really think they will give up 12,000 tons of urea at 500$ a ton in exchange for 12,000 "URO" worth $1 each your stupider then you look...
maths here $12,000 USD != $6,000,000.00, ROI just collecting delivery and reselling on ALIBABA as china urea at $200 a ton would still see ROI of 200%..
.. its not going to happen.... EVER.. mark my words...

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what about collecting delivery dont you understand??? Anyway like i said, if i fucken sold now that would KILL you.....
It would drag price down 10x and hurt everyone, im not that way inclined. The support cant even handle my holding i would destory the entire coin i thought i made that clear in my first post...
from 0015 to  00015 you really want that ??

I should just dump all over you and buy back in at 00015 (lets make it clear 00015 not 0015.....)  that would make the bag holders look rather silly, but that would wreak lifes and like i said..
Im not that way inclined *deep breaths* yes its hard to loose alot of money, but at least im not going to hell.

im going to try collect delevery and then be the fucken UREA baron of my street!! Ill pile up the 12tons in my front yard to remind me of the big fuckup this URO coin was...
and they will not do it.... they should then everyone can stop arguing and pretending this is real...
the proof will be there in the pudding... Well we all know Australasia is awake so then GES reply to me we will see if i can collect delivery.....
Or we waiting for India to wake up?? Regardless i do like the Night Vision HD camera's they use to sell for there old venture.....
How you go from importing Security cameras to securing huge fertilizer contracts is anyones guess, must of done really well selling those Cameras and Bollywood Costumes....

But other then resorting to logical fallacy's whats your argument, why reply with a riddle? Are you on my side or not i cant work it out??
The more we argue the more the price drops, like i said im going down with the ship on this one
anyway this will all me removed when the crew wake up....
so: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=728924.msg8240717#msg8240717

EDIT: on a side not, any pakistan fertilizer importers reading this feel free to contact me for a side deal keep it off the exchange i can sell you your 12k URO, buy from me and keep if of the exchange then what....
0_o honestly what a fucken joke.

EDIT: where is everyone?? sometimes i think im the only one in this market anymore.... its just me against a army of bots

on a side note at least i bought my average right down buying more now... yes i bought more... shoot me....
its nice having a really low buy in average but it sucks having so many coins noone will buy.

My posts keep getting removed from the other thread considering i hold more uro then the asshole that made the thread i think im considered to voice my views without some assclown hiding them.

[quote author=jessilee link=topic=684972.msg8247248#msg8247248 date=1407499125]
so called 'fudders' trying to push the price down dont exsist here.

most people here sold at a huge loss and come here to vent their frustration at the coin. nobody is trying to push the price down, and tbh, nobody cares anymore. lol
[/quote]

Truthful
That's right. Freedom of speech against an injustice! It's unjust to take money from people!

Truthful

Re: [Moderated] [ANN][URO] A Real Long Term Currency: 1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea
Today at 11:40:03 AM
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It is noted that not one single relevant reply has been made to the facts that have been presented. Instead just another round of childish replies and an attempt to discredit the statements from others. Please give us some answers and not a barrage of insults aimed at bolstering your ego.


Re: [Moderated] [ANN][URO] A Real Long Term Currency: 1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea
Today at 11:41:25 AM
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Quote from: corather on Today at 11:30:51 AM
Yep, thought so, incapable of answering a simple question. You're on ignore now also.

Quote from: Guglimugli on Today at 11:32:03 AM
whatever, if you would ignore us, you would not read and answer all posts in other thread.
you cant ignore us, even if you wanted.

Quote from Truthful
Agree with Guglimugli!

Truthful

Re: [Moderated] [ANN][URO] A Real Long Term Currency: 1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea
Today at 11:40:03 AM
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It is noted that not one single relevant reply has been made to the facts that have been presented. Instead just another round of childish replies and an attempt to discredit the statements from others. Please give us some answers and not a barrage of insults aimed at bolstering your ego.


Re: [Moderated] [ANN][URO] A Real Long Term Currency: 1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea
Today at 11:41:25 AM
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Quote from: corather on Today at 11:30:51 AM
Yep, thought so, incapable of answering a simple question. You're on ignore now also.

Quote from: Guglimugli on Today at 11:32:03 AM
whatever, if you would ignore us, you would not read and answer all posts in other thread.
you cant ignore us, even if you wanted.

Quote from Truthful
Agree with Guglimugli!

Truthful's reply
You still can't provide answers. Please explain how I'm a fraud and liar. Also you didn't read the post too well, did I criticize people with Autism? One of your pals did on your old forum, remember? You didn't respond too well to the facts! The facts I presented as part of my option to exercise free speech must be factual!

Truthful's reply
You still can't provide answers. Please explain how I'm a fraud and liar. Also you didn't read the post too well, did I criticize people with Autism? One of your pals did on your old forum, remember? You didn't respond too well to the facts! The facts I presented as part of my option to exercise free speech must be factual!

Re: [Moderated] [ANN][URO] A Real Long Term Currency: 1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea
Today at 10:57:46 AM
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Quote from: hobopete on Today at 10:53:10 AM
truthful, you're a coward and a bully along with being a liar.

Truthful's reply
LOL....how?? I haven't deleted your posts, swore at you or presented anything that's false. I'm flattered that you copied my words. Please don't steal people's money along with what they say and please don't twist things to make up a fake story to defend yourself. Not very becoming!

Re: [Moderated] [ANN][URO] A Real Long Term Currency: 1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea
Today at 10:57:46 AM
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Quote from: hobopete on Today at 10:53:10 AM
truthful, you're a coward and a bully along with being a liar.

Truthful's reply
LOL....how?? I haven't deleted your posts, swore at you or presented anything that's false. I'm flattered that you copied my words. Please don't steal people's money along with what they say and please don't twist things to make up a fake story to defend yourself. Not very becoming!

This post was deleted from the moderated forum..no surprises!

Here are some facts:

1. Nilesh Chandran Nair is Bankrupt. This has not been refuted by anyone. Although some people tried to make claims that the documents from Veda were false!

2. Bohan Huang owns TruHD Pty Ltd and is just as accountable for the corrupt behaviour by helping Nilesh Nair, who will profit the most from this false coin. Bohan Huang is just a front for Nilesh Nair as he probably knows more about the technological side of how to operate a crypto currency. They are both making a fool of you all.

3. There is no office in Hong Kong, never was, never will be. It’s been claimed that there are two other offices in HK, where are the addresses? So can only point to one thing that everything is being run from Australia. Sure anyone can set up a gmail email account. How would you know where the person is replying from? Sure can claim that it’s under the guise of HK GES because it’s registered in HK, but that doesn’t mean a thing because Nilesh Nair is bankrupt.

4. Nilesh Nair resides in Australia and is bankrupt.  How could he afford to have offices around the world and supposedly runs a multi-international company worth millions of dollars?? That just doesn’t add up. Shankari Nair is the director of GES in Australia. Yet it’s been claimed that there are up to 12 other directors?? This is a photo of the Australian Office located at Unit 1, 8-10 Mary Pde, Rydalmere.


5. People who present their views on the so-called coin are entitled to do so. The insane control freaks on the moderated forum prevent anyone from making a comment, but allow themselves to post ridiculous remarks on other forums. They delete other peoples messages to present only their views and attempt to discredit others. Talk about spineless hypocrites.

6.  People like Hopobte and Corather are so good at swearing and bullying other people. Yet when someone swears at them, they act like children in diapers and say that other people’s behaviour is not acceptable. On the old forum they had they swore at people, made racist remarks, made fun of those with Autism and made fun of the law, by claiming they worked for ASIC and on top of that True-Asset (aka Nilesh Nair) threatened people with claims he’ll call the police. If the so-called coin is that good, why go through such lengths??

7. It’s pathetic to say to someone who has lost money on the coin, “Oh well that’s too bad. You should have invested more wisely.” That is bullying in the first degree to try and turn the tables around and blame them for placing some trust in you! You don’t play with people’s trust and livelihood for your own benefit. Isn’t that what a scam is? Suppose you must be a psychopath to make such remarks, as you show no empathy. We all need to eat, clothe ourselves and put a roof over our head. At least some of us do it the honest way and don’t act like parasites living off other people’s livelihood.
So next time an innocent person gets attacked in broad daylight while walking down the main street, you’re going to blame them for the attack??

8. These two forums have tried their best to keep the crypto community safe and to keep the integrity of the crypto world. They are showing that many people who choose to invest in crypto do it for the right and honest reasons. It’s not all about greed, we all need to live right?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=687231.1160
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=713983.40

9. There’s never been any mention of the other NIER’s, what happened to them?

10. Anyone can put together some documents to say that there’s a so–called signed agreement.

11. Anyone can make videos and paint a picture of themselves to be a credible person.  It’s really a sign of desperation.

If everything I say or anyone else who asks questions is supposedly a fudder then answer the questions you’ve been asked! Don’t be a coward and just ignore people.  Go on, be honest with people and tell the truth!

This post was deleted from the moderated forum..no surprises!

Here are some facts:

1. Nilesh Chandran Nair is Bankrupt. This has not been refuted by anyone. Although some people tried to make claims that the documents from Veda were false!

2. Bohan Huang owns TruHD Pty Ltd and is just as accountable for the corrupt behaviour by helping Nilesh Nair, who will profit the most from this false coin. Bohan Huang is just a front for Nilesh Nair as he probably knows more about the technological side of how to operate a crypto currency. They are both making a fool of you all.

3. There is no office in Hong Kong, never was, never will be. It’s been claimed that there are two other offices in HK, where are the addresses? So can only point to one thing that everything is being run from Australia. Sure anyone can set up a gmail email account. How would you know where the person is replying from? Sure can claim that it’s under the guise of HK GES because it’s registered in HK, but that doesn’t mean a thing because Nilesh Nair is bankrupt.

4. Nilesh Nair resides in Australia and is bankrupt.  How could he afford to have offices around the world and supposedly runs a multi-international company worth millions of dollars?? That just doesn’t add up. Shankari Nair is the director of GES in Australia. Yet it’s been claimed that there are up to 12 other directors?? This is a photo of the Australian Office located at Unit 1, 8-10 Mary Pde, Rydalmere.


5. People who present their views on the so-called coin are entitled to do so. The insane control freaks on the moderated forum prevent anyone from making a comment, but allow themselves to post ridiculous remarks on other forums. They delete other peoples messages to present only their views and attempt to discredit others. Talk about spineless hypocrites.

6.  People like Hopobte and Corather are so good at swearing and bullying other people. Yet when someone swears at them, they act like children in diapers and say that other people’s behaviour is not acceptable. On the old forum they had they swore at people, made racist remarks, made fun of those with Autism and made fun of the law, by claiming they worked for ASIC and on top of that True-Asset (aka Nilesh Nair) threatened people with claims he’ll call the police. If the so-called coin is that good, why go through such lengths??

7. It’s pathetic to say to someone who has lost money on the coin, “Oh well that’s too bad. You should have invested more wisely.” That is bullying in the first degree to try and turn the tables around and blame them for placing some trust in you! You don’t play with people’s trust and livelihood for your own benefit. Isn’t that what a scam is? Suppose you must be a psychopath to make such remarks, as you show no empathy. We all need to eat, clothe ourselves and put a roof over our head. At least some of us do it the honest way and don’t act like parasites living off other people’s livelihood.
So next time an innocent person gets attacked in broad daylight while walking down the main street, you’re going to blame them for the attack??

8. These two forums have tried their best to keep the crypto community safe and to keep the integrity of the crypto world. They are showing that many people who choose to invest in crypto do it for the right and honest reasons. It’s not all about greed, we all need to live right?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=687231.1160
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=713983.40

9. There’s never been any mention of the other NIER’s, what happened to them?

10. Anyone can put together some documents to say that there’s a so–called signed agreement.

11. Anyone can make videos and paint a picture of themselves to be a credible person.  It’s really a sign of desperation.

If everything I say or anyone else who asks questions is supposedly a fudder then answer the questions you’ve been asked! Don’t be a coward and just ignore people.  Go on, be honest with people and tell the truth!

Have a look at this

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=728924.new#new

Have a look at these

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=687231.new#new

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=713983.0

Such lovely language and writing. You are wasting your talent. Though of becoming a journalist??

Which companies use this 'contract'? If there are countless numbers can you name at least 5??

How is it industry standard??

http://commodities.about.com/od/futuresoptions/a/option_basics.htm

http://www.answers.com/topic/commodity-markets

http://www.investopedia.com/university/commodities/commodities4.asp

Some explanations about the "Contract" needed.

ARTICLE 02 – ORIGIN
<PRODUCT COUNTRY OF ORIGIN>

ARTICLE 03 – DELIVERY TERMS
THE DATE(S) OF ARRIVAL AT THE LOADING PORT SHALL BE CONSIDERED THE DATE(S) OF DELIVERY. THE DELIVERY SHALL BE ASSAYED BY THE INDEPENDENT CERTIFICATIONS OF SGS AT LOADING PORT. THE FIRST SHIPMENT TO THE PORT OF LOADING SHALL BEGIN WITHIN, IT MEANS AS FROM (6090) SIXTY TO NINETY DAYS OF RECEIPT OF THE URO PAYMENT TO THE SELLER. THE SELLER SHALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO DELIVER EARLIER THAN AGREED IN THIS CONTRACT GIVING NOTICE TO ALL DESIGNATED PARTIES AS REQUIRED HEREIN, WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE BUYER. THE BUYER AND THE SELLER AGREE THAT PARTIAL SHIPMENTS ARE NOT ALLOWED AND TRANSHIPMENT NOT ALLOWED.

SGS= Societe Generale De Surveillance. Do you know what they do?

Shipment begins within 60 to 90 days of receipt of payment to the seller? Does that mean a buyer will have to wait for 3 months for the shipment to begin? Earlier shipment is dependent on all parties agreeing?

ARTICLE 04 – PRICE
THE PRICE IS 1 URO PER METRIC TONNE, FOB <NAME OF PORT>, AS APPOINTED BY SELLER. THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF THE ONE SHIPMENT IS 12,500 URO.

What if the seller can’t or doesn’t have access to a port? Most ports around the world are governed by strict guidelines. Most farmers are poor and would not have the money to pay for shipping and port access.

ARTICLE 05 – QUANTITY
THE TOTAL QUANTITY OF PURCHASE FOR THIS CONTRACT IS 12,500 METRIC TONS, WHICH WILL BE
DELIVERED IN AS PER THE SCHEDULE. THE SHIPMENT OF 12,500 METRIC TONS WILL BE SCHEDULED IN WRITING BY BOTH PARTIES IN THIS CONTRACT OF SALE OF PRILLED UREA N46. FOR THIS SCHEDULE (ADDENDUM A), AN INDEPENDENT CONTRACT WILL BE CREATED FOR EACH DELIVERY, THAT IS SUBJECT TO THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THIS AGREEMENT. THE REAL QUANTITIES OF THE CONTRACT SHALL BE DETERMINED BY THE CERTIFICATIONS OF WEIGHT, ISSUED BY THE INSPECTION AUTHORITY AT PORT OF LOADING IN ORIGIN FOR EACH LOADING.


ARTICLE 06 – PRODUCT WEIGHT AND QUALITY
THE SELLER GUARANTEES THAT DELIVERY OF THE PRILLED UREA N46 SHALL BE PROVIDED WITH AN INSPECTION CERTIFICATE OF WEIGHT AND QUALITY AT THE TIME OF LOADING, SUCH CERTIFICATES SHALL BE PROVIDED BY SGS AT SELLER’S EXPENSE, AND SHALL BE DEEMED TO BE FINAL. THE SELLER SHALL INSTRUCT SAID AUTHORITY TO CARRY OUT THE INSPECTION IN STRICT ACCORDANCE WITH THE INTERNATIONAL CHAMBER OF COMMERCE (I.C.C.) RULES.

Where is this mentioned in the ICC rules?

ARTICLE 07 – PACKING OF THE PRODUCT
THE PRODUCT WILL BE DELIVERED IN BULK

ARTICLE 08 – INSURANCE POLICY
THE BUYER SHALL PROVIDE INSURANCE AT HIS SOLE EXPENSE AND RESPONSIBILITY.

The buyer carries the expense of insurance. Where do they get the insurance policy from?

ARTICLE 09 – FORCE MAJEURES
NEITHER PARTY TO THIS CONTRACT SHALL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR BREACH OF CONTRACT CAUSED BYAN ACT OF GOD, INSURRECTION, CIVIL WAR, MILITARY OPERATIONS OR LOCAL EMERGENCIES. THE PARTIESAGREE AS FORCE MAJEURE AS PUBLISHED BY THE INTERNATIONAL CHAMBER OF COMMERCE (ICC). WHENTHE FORCE MAJEURE HAPPENS, THE BUYER OR SELLER MUST IMMEDIATELY SEND WITHIN 35 DAYS,THEREAFTER BY REGISTERED AIRMAIL, TO THE OTHER PARTY, A CERTIFICATE OF FORCE MAJEURE ISSUEDBY A COMPETENT GOVERNMENT AUTHORITY AT THE PLACE WHERE THE FORCE MAJEURE OCCURED ASEVIDENCE THEREOF.

So what, what is the certificate, which has to be delivered by airmail going to do? If there is a civil war or earthquake how is the seller going to be certain they can notify anybody in 35 days? Governments are going to be interested in looking after the people instead of worrying about issuing certificates to prove there a was an earthquake just for the sake of a urea shipment.

ARTICLE 11 TAXES
ALL TAXES OR LEVIES IMPOSED BY THE COUNTRY OF DESTINATION HAVING ANY EFFECT ON THIS CONTRACTARE ON THE BUYER'S ACCOUNT AND HIS SOLE RESPONSIBILITY. IF NECESSARY, BUYER MUST HAVE ALLIMPORT PERMISSIONS AND PERMITS IN WRITING AND COPY SENT TO SELLER. BUYER BEARS THE SOLERESPONSIBILITY OF SECURING ALL PERMITS, LICENSES OR ANY OTHER DOCUMENTS REQUIRED BY THEGOVERNMENT OF THE IMPORTING NATION. SELLER WILL BEAR NO RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVIDE SUCHDOCUMENTATION. BUYER WILL BEAR ALL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH SECURING SUCH DOCUMENTS AND WILLALSO BEAR ALL COSTS AND PENALTIES IF SUCH DOCUMENTS ARE NOT SECURED. IN NO CASE SHALL THESELLER BE HELD LIABLE FOR MISSING OR IMPROPER DOCUMENTATION THE BUYER IS REQUIRED TOPROVIDE. THE SELLER AGREES TO PROVIDE PROMPTLY ANY DOCUMENT THE BUYER MAY REQUIRE INORDER TO OBTAIN ALL NECESSARY IMPORT PERMISSIONS AND PERMITS.

A farmer bears the expenses of everything. Convenient that the seller bears no responsibility. A farmer who may not be able to read English, as article 16 of this protocol expects all documents and correspondence to be in English. Only 4.61% of world’s population speaks English.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers

ARTICLE 13 – ARBITRATION
THE PARTIES HEREBY AGREE TO SETTLE ALL DISPUTES AMICABLY. THE DISPUTE IN QUESTION SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO ARBITRATION ALL DISPUTES ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE PRESENT CONTRACT SHALL BE FINALLY SETTLED UNDER THE RULES OF ARBITRATION OF THE INTERNATIONAL CHAMBER OF COMMERCE BY ONE OR MORE ARBITRATORS APPOINTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SAID RULES. THE PLACE OF ARBITRATION SHALL BE THE INTERNATIONAL CHAMBER OF COMMERCE COURT OF ARBITRATION, IN PARIS/FRANCE UNDER I.C.C. RULES AND REGULATIONS. THE LOSING PARTY WILL PAY THE ARBITRATION FEE. EACH PARTY SHALL PAY ITS OWN LAWYERS AND LEGAL FEES. IT IS UNDERSTOOD THAT IN THE EVENT OF DISPUTE OR ARBITRATION. THE AWARD OF ICC SHALL BE FINAL AND BINDING FOR BOTH PARTIES.

The ICC deals with International Trade Agreements and summits such as G20.  To be able to use the ICC services you need to be a member.

Are GES, India NIER (no company known), Crown Team Corp, CCL Pillay Group, Nilesh Nair, Naresh Kumar, Mohamad Z Zukari or Schalk Dividson or Davidson members of the ICC?

Who are Naresh Kumar, Mohamad Z Zukari or Schalk Dividson or Davidson?

The ICC does not deal with individual contract agreements such as this one. See link
http://www.iccwbo.org/about-icc/policy-commissions/arbitration/

ARTICLE 15 – EXECUTION OF CONTRACT
EACH OF THE PARTIES TO THIS CONTRACT REPRESENTS THAT IT HAS FULL LEGAL AUTHORITY TO EXECUTE THIS CONTRACT AND THAT EACH PARTY IS TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS AS SET FORTH HEREIN. EACH PARTY AGREES THAT CONTRACT MAY BE EXECUTED SIMULTANEOUSLY BY AND BETWEEN THE PARTIES VIA EMAIL, EACH OF WHICH SHALL BE DEEMED AS ORIGINAL NATURE. THIS CONTRACT REPRESENTS THE ENTIRE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE PARTIES AND ANY CHANGE WILL BE MADE IN WRITING, EXECUTED BY BOTH PARTIES. THE CONTRACT AND AGREEMENT IS ASSIGNABLE AND TRANSFERABLE BY EITHER PARTY

How would any change be made if it is all in favour of the seller?
 The seller would not agree to anything that reduces their profit or power over the seller, especially a poor farmer. Please explain.

ARTICLE 16 – LANGUAGE
THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE SHALL BE USED, IN ALL DOCUMENTS, COMMUNICATIONS AND LEGAL
PROCEEDINGS


ARTICLE 17 – NON CIRCUMVENTION & NON DISCLOSURE
THE PARTIES ACCEPT AND AGREE TO THE PROVISIONS OF THE INTERNATIONAL CHAMBER OF COMMERCEPARIS/FRANCE FOR NONCIRCUMVENTION AND NONDISCLOSURE WITH REGARDS TO ALL AND EVERYONE OF THE PARTIES INVOLVED IN THIS TRANSACTION AND CONTRACT, ADDITIONS, RENEWALS, AND THIRD PARTY ASSIGNMENT, WITH FULL RECIPROCATION FOR A PERIOD OF FIVE (05) YEARS FROM THE DATE OF EXECUTION OF THIS CONTRACT.


ARTICLE 18 – GOVERNING LAW
THIS CONTRACT SHALL BE GOVERNED AND INTERPRETED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE UNITED NATIONS CONVENTION FOR THE SALE OF GOODS U.N. CONVENTION. IN EVENT OF INCONSISTENCY BETWEEN THIS CONTRACT AND THE PROVISIONS OF THE U.N. CONVENTIONS, THIS CONTRACT SHALL HAVE PRIORITY FOR THE PURPOSE OF ARTICLE 39, OF THE U.N. CONVENTION; A REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME SHALL BE DEEMED TO BE 10 DAYS. THIS CONTRACT SHALL FURTHER BE CONSTRUED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROCEDURAL RULES OF THE COURTS OF THE EUROPEAN UNION, WHICH SHALL APPLY SUBSTANTIVE ICC RULES AND REGULATIONS.

Article 39 is below. It is the buyers responsibility of anything goes wrong.

More information about article 39 is below, India, Pakistan and Hong Kong are not part of the UN Conventions on Contracts. So how is this going to be enforced?

http://www.cisg.law.pace.edu/cisg/text/treaty.html

Article 39
(1) The buyer loses the right to rely on a lack of conformity of the goods if he does not give notice to the seller specifying the nature of the lack of conformity within a reasonable time after he has discovered it or ought to have discovered it.
(2) In any event, the buyer loses the right to rely on a lack of conformity of the goods if he does not give the seller notice thereof at the latest within a period of two years from the date on which the goods were actually handed over to the buyer, unless this time-limit is inconsistent with a contractual period of guarantee.

http://www.uncitral.org/pdf/english/texts/sales/cisg/V1056997-CISG-e-book.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_on_Contracts_for_the_International_Sale_of_Goods#Part_III:_Sale_of_Goods_.28Articles_25.E2.80.9388.29

United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods


As of June 2014, the following states have ratified the convention:[12]
•     Albania
•     Argentina
•     Armenia
•     Australia
•     Austria
•     Bahrain
•     Belarus
•     Belgium
•     Bosnia and Herzegovina
•     Brazil
•     Bulgaria
•     Burundi
•     Canada
•     Chile
•     China (People's Republic of)
•     Colombia
•     Congo
•     Croatia
•     Cuba
•     Cyprus
•     Czech Republic
•     Denmark
•     Dominican Republic
•     Ecuador
•     Egypt
•     El Salvador
•     Estonia
•     Finland
•     France
•     Gabon
•     Georgia
•     Germany
•     Greece
•     Guinea
•     Honduras
•     Hungary
•     Iceland
•     Iraq
•     Israel
•     Italy
•     Japan
•     Kyrgyzstan
•     Latvia
•     Lebanon
•     Lesotho
•     Liberia
•     Lithuania
•     Luxembourg
•     Mauritania
•     Mexico
•     Moldova
•     Mongolia
•     Montenegro
•     Kingdom of the Netherlands (European territory and Aruba)
•     New Zealand
•     Norway
•     Paraguay
•     Peru
•     Poland
•     Romania
•     Republic of Korea
•     Russian Federation
•     Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
•     San Marino
•     Serbia
•     Singapore
•     Slovakia
•     Slovenia
•     Spain
•     Sweden
•     Switzerland
•     Syrian Arab Republic
•     Republic of Macedonia
•     Turkey
•     Uganda
•     Ukraine
•     United States of America
•     Uruguay
•     Uzbekistan
•     Venezuela
•    Zambia


ARTICLE 18 – GOVERNING LAW
THIS CONTRACT SHALL BE GOVERNED AND INTERPRETED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE UNITED NATIONS CONVENTION FOR THE SALE OF GOODS U.N. CONVENTION. IN EVENT OF INCONSISTENCY BETWEEN THIS CONTRACT AND THE PROVISIONS OF THE U.N. CONVENTIONS, THIS CONTRACT SHALL HAVE PRIORITY FOR THE PURPOSE OF ARTICLE 39, OF THE U.N. CONVENTION; A REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME SHALL BE DEEMED TO BE 10 DAYS. THIS CONTRACT SHALL FURTHER BE CONSTRUED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROCEDURAL RULES OF THE COURTS OF THE EUROPEAN UNION, WHICH SHALL APPLY SUBSTANTIVE ICC RULES AND REGULATIONS.

As above, how is this going to be enforced?

ARTICLE 19 – SPECIAL CLAUSE
THIS EMAIL CONTRACT SHALL BE DEEMED AS INVALID UNTIL SIGNED BY BOTH PARTIES, THIS EMAIL CONTRACT WILL BE OF NO EFFECT AND UNENFORCEABLE AFTER THE HARD COPY CONTRACT IS SIGNED AND EXCHANGED. THEREAFTER ANY ADDITIONS, DELETIONS OR AMENDMENTS WILL NOT BE VALID UNLESS RENDERED IN WRITING AND SIGNED BY ALL PARTIES CONCERNED VIA EMAIL FOLLOWED BY HARD COPIES. GOODS SHALL BE DEEMED TO BE IN "FULL QUANTITY", ”DATE OF DELIVERY" SHALL BE THE DATE AT WHICH THE GOODS HAVE ARRIVED AT THE LOADING PORT.

How can a contract be valid as an email? Do the farmers have access to the internet or even email? There are problems getting access to the internet in the Middle East and in some parts of Eastern Europe.

What happens if the seller says he doesn’t have the contract, yet takes the persons money?

ARTICLE 20 – CLAIM
IN THE EVENT THAT THE SELLER IS LIABLE FOR THE DISCREPANCIES AND THE BUYER LODGES A CLAIM WITHIN SEVEN (7) DAYS AFTER ARRIVAL OF THE GOODS AT THE LOADING PORT, SUCH CLAIMS MUST BE ACCOMPANIED BY AN INSPECTION CERTIFICATE ISSUED BY SGS (SOCIETE GENERALE DE SURVEILLANCE).

Information about SGS    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SGS_S.A.
Even the title of the SGS is wrong in the protocol.

ARTICLE 21 – VALIDITY PERIOD
THE VALIDITY OF THE CONTRACT IS RELATED WITH THE DURATION OF THE SHIPMENTS, EXCEPT FOR ANY ARTICLE THAT BY ITS NATURE SURVIVES TERMINATION AND ADDENDUM “C” (CONFIDENTIALITY) WHICH SHALL BE VALID FOR A MINIMUM PERIOD OF FIVE (05) YEARS FROM THE TERMINATION DATE OF THIS AGREEMENT.

Confidentiality for five years? Be too late to notify ICC which state they need to be notified within two years of any trade agreement problems.

ICC deal with major international arrangements, not some digital currency traded for urea. A currency which has not been certified.


ARTICLE 22 – BANKING INFORMATION
ALL BANK CHARGES AND COMMISSIONS AT BUYER’S BANK FOR BUYER’S ACCOUNT. ALL CONFIRMATION CHARGES ARE AT BUYER’S ACCOUNT. ALL BANK CHARGES AND COMMISSIONS AT SELLER’S BANK FOR SELLER’S ACCOUNT. ANY ADDITIONAL BANK FEES SHALL BE FOR THE REQUESTED PARTY’S ACCOUNT.

ARTICLE 23 – PENALTY CLAUSE
IF FOR ANY REASON BUT FORCE MAJEURES ONE PARTY FAILS WITH AGREED OBLIGATIONS, EITHER DUE TO NEGLIGENCE, MISINFORMATION, FAKES AND/OR SIMILAR, FAILING PARTY IS TO PAY A PENALTY AMOUNT EQUIVALENT OF 5% OF THIS CONTRACT WHOLE VALUE.

How is that going to be proved?
Are people going to fly to Paris or some other part of the world to dispute any negligence especially poor farmers?

ARTICLE 24 – CONTRACT SIGNATORIES
THE CONTRACT TO BE VALID SHOULD BE SIGNED & SEALED BY BOTH PARTIES ON ALL PAGES. THIS CONTRACT IS WRITTEN IN SIX (6) PAGES, INCLUDING THIS PAGE AND ADDENDUM A AND B, EACH PAGE MUST BE DULY SIGNED BY EACH PARTY. IN WITNESS THEREOF, THE PARTIES HAVE SIGNED BELOW AND BY DOING SO HAVE ACCEPTED AND APPROVED ALL COVENANTS, TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THIS CONTRACT.

THIS CONTRACT VALIDITY IS SUBJECT TO RECEIPT BY THE SELLER OF 12,500 URO WITH 40 BLOCK CONFIRMATIONS. THIS CONTRACT VALIDITY IS SUBJECT TO BUYER INITIALING ALL PAGES AND SIGN AND SEAL AS BUYER INCLUDING HIS PASSPORT ORIGIN AND NUMBER.


ADDENDUM “A” – SCHEDULE OF DELIVERIES
TOTAL QUANTITY OF PURCHASE OF PRILLED UREA N46 IS 12,500 METRIC TONS THAT WILL BE DELIVERED AS A SPOT ORDER, AS PER CONTRACT AND SHALL BE DELIVERED UNDER THE FOLLOWING TERMS AND CONDITIONS. DELIVERY SHALL BEGIN WITHIN 90 DAYS AFTER RECEIPT OF PAYMENT TO SELLER. THE DELIVERY MUST BE FOB. THE CONTRACT DURATION IS RELATED WITH THE DURATION OF THE SHIPMENTS.


ADDENDUM “B” – BANKING INFORMATION
ANY CONTACT WITH EITHER PARTIES BANKS WITHOUT THE EXPLICIT WRITTEN PERMISSION OF THAT PARTY WILL AUTOMATICALLY RENDER THIS CONTRACT NULL & VOID. THE PARTIES RESERVES THE RIGHT TO USE ONE OF THEIR ALTERNATE CORPORATE BANK ACCOUNTS. IN THE EVENT AN ALTERNATE ACCOUNT IS TO BE USED, THAT PARTY WILL NOTIFY BUYER OF NEW BANK COORDINATES WITHIN 48 HOURS OF RECEIPT OF SIGNED AND SEALED CONTRACT. NEITHER PARTY WILL FORWARD ANY FINANCIAL INSTRUMENT OR CORRESPONDENCE TO THE OTHER PARTIES BANK WITHOUT FIRST NOTIFYING THE OTHER PARTY.

So the buyer will have no understanding about where the money is going? This is an absurd clause.


ADDENDUM “C” – CONFIDENTIALITY
THE PRODUCT OFFERED FOR SALE IS SUBJECT ONLY TO THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THIS CONTRACT AND STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL BETWEEN THE BUYER, THE SELLER AND THE AGENTS. ALL PARTIES DO HEREIN AGREE THAT NONCIRCUMVENTION AND NONDISCLOSURE RULES OF ALL ISSUES FROM INTERNATIONAL CHAMBER OF COMMERCE (ICC) 600, AND ANY OTHER APPLICABLE ICC LAW PROTECTING CONFIDENTIALITY, NONDISCLOSURE AND NONCIRCUMVENTION APPLY TO THIS TRANSACTION FOR A PERIOD OF 10 (TEN) YEARS FROM THE DATE OF EXECUTION, AND A FURTHER 10 (TEN) YEARS FROM THE DATE OF TERMINATION. BUYER, SELLER AND AGENTS RESPECT THE HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL NATURE OF THIS CONTRACT AND AGREE TO MAINTAIN IN STRICTEST CONFIDENCE THE NAMES OF THE PARTIES WHOSE IDENTITIES MAY BECOME KNOWN TO ONE ANOTHER THROUGH EITHER THE TENDERING OF DOCUMENTS OR ASSEMBLY OF BANKING AND GOVERNMENT APPROVALS. THE PARTIES AGREE TO MAINTAIN STRICT CONFIDENTIALITY CONCERNING THE IDENTITIES OF THE PARTIES DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THIS TRANSACTION. ALL DATA REMAINS THE PROPERTY OF THE PARTY WHICH HAS BROUGHT THE RESPECTIVE DATA INTO THIS TRANSACTION. ANY OF THE PARTIES BREACHING THIS RULE WILL BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES RESULTING FROM SUCH ACTION TO BE COMMITTED DELIBERATELY OR BY NEGLIGENCE.IN CASE OF BREACH OF THE RESPECTIVE RULES EMITTED. THE PLACE OF ARBITRATION SHALL BE THE INTERNATIONAL CHAMBER OF COMMERCE COURT OF ARBITRATION, IN PARIS/FRANCE UNDER I.C.C. RULES AND REGULATIONS. THIS PRODUCT IS OFFERED FOR SALE SUBJECT TO THE AGREEMENT TERMS AND CONDITIONS. PREVIOUS TRANSACTIONS, IF ANY, BETWEEN THE BUYER AND THE SELLER OR THEIR PARTIES SHALL AT NO TIME AFFECT THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THIS AGREEMENT, AND ACCEPTANCE OF THE PRODUCT BY THE BUYER SHALL BE CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE BEFORE ANY COURT OR LAW OF ARBITRATION THAT THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS APPLY. IT IS FURTHER AGREED THAT ALL INFORMATION EXCHANGED BETWEEN THE SELLER, BUYER AND AGENTS IN THE COURSE OF THE NEGOTIATIONS AND EXECUTION OF THIS AGREEMENT, WHETHER INCLUDED IN THIS AGREEMENT OR NOT SHALL BE HELD IN STRICTEST CONFIDENCE, AND ANY VIOLATION OF WHICH WILL RESULT IN THE IMMEDIATE CANCELLATION OF THIS AGREEMENT, IF THIS IS THE DECISION OF THE AGGRIEVED PARTY, WHO WILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO SEEK
REDRESS IN A COURT OF LAW IN THE AGREED JURISDICTION.


This would never happen as the ICC don’t deal with these matters. Why have a confidentiality agreement for 10 years? That takes a persons right to do anything. Who would agree to this?

Please explain how most of this protocol appears to have been modified from the ICC website or the UN website? Wouldn't this be called plagiarism?


Was this protocol written by a certified person?




Left- Nilesh Nair

Standing up glasses- name please

Right in red shirt- Bohan Huang

Chair next to Nilesh- name please.

Childish to ask someone to apologise for asking questions. Have said no swear words to anyone.



This was from 2012. Two years ago. What does it mean? That you have an account with HSBC, anyone could have that?
You had US$25,000.00 deposited into the account, so what? More recent documents required.


This community needs answers not websites and twitter accounts.

Who are the the two people on left of Nilesh Nair?