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301  Economy / Economics / Re: What if US Dollar Crashes? on: August 18, 2016, 07:02:49 PM

There would be like an end of the world scene as the us dollar is like the currency of the world.  Transactions made internationally uses us dollar and if this happened the crash issue, I think the world would be a disabled one for a moment.  In such a case I think also, if that happen there is a currency that will fill it space, maybe the euro.

It's quite possible that you would think the dollar is the currency of the world if you never left your mother's basement in Ohio.  However those who have traveled know that other currencies are used in all other countries.  Those who have travelled and discussed and thought further about the current conditions on the planet have realized that a collapse of the dollar and other fiat currencies would be an incredible lift to humanity - in fact this emergence from the dark ages is the only way forward for us.  For citizens of north america in particular, a collapse of the dollar is the best possible economic scenario.  Basically this is like saying: imagine if north americans were no longer being constantly robbed by international criminals.  Sadly, this remains slow in its arrival.    


Hahaha.. dollar is falling down because chinese investors defeated americans. And it will soon be collapse. That's why america is just always want to trigger war against china because they know what will gonna happen in the future.

Mentally ill warmongers always want to trigger war, this is nothing new.  People who live in America will benefit greatly by the collapsing dollar, as suddenly their mortgage, student loans, and credit card debts start to vansih - and the people who claim to be the government are forced into rational behavior.  If people who happen to hold chinese passports have helped, then thanks very much to them as well as any others Cheesy



302  Economy / Economics / Re: What if US Dollar Crashes? on: August 18, 2016, 04:43:56 PM

There would be like an end of the world scene as the us dollar is like the currency of the world.  Transactions made internationally uses us dollar and if this happened the crash issue, I think the world would be a disabled one for a moment.  In such a case I think also, if that happen there is a currency that will fill it space, maybe the euro.

It's quite possible that you would think the dollar is the currency of the world if you never left your mother's basement in Ohio.  However those who have traveled know that other currencies are used in all other countries.  Those who have travelled and discussed and thought further about the current conditions on the planet have realized that a collapse of the dollar and other fiat currencies would be an incredible lift to humanity - in fact this emergence from the dark ages is the only way forward for us.  For citizens of north america in particular, a collapse of the dollar is the best possible economic scenario.  Basically this is like saying: imagine if north americans were no longer being constantly robbed by international criminals.  Sadly, this remains slow in its arrival.    
303  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Woodcoin [LOG] Pure Skein, Logarithmic Release, X9_62_prime256v1 on: August 18, 2016, 04:12:14 PM
Thanks for reporting back m4nki!

What platform is this?  I have only tested on an emulated nexus thingy and a samsung 4G-LTE thingy.   

Did you try:
Settings / Applications / allow Unknown sources ? 

304  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Proof-of-Work designed for lower power consumption on: August 18, 2016, 06:35:44 AM
Proof-of-work is already incredibly energy-friendly.  The network has no energy minimum requirement, it simply runs on whatever excess power the miners are willing to spend on mining.  Thus energy use is self regulating. 
305  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Addressing the premine - how to compare coins on: August 18, 2016, 06:26:34 AM

Addressing the premine

If you've been following the rise of public coins, you have probably heard the term "premine".  In a public coin, the money supply is public - thus anyone can see when and how all the money was created.  Traditionally, if monetary tokens were distributed before the transactions began on the network, before the transaction validation known as mining began, this was referred to as a premine.  Coinmarketcap.com for example allows you to filter out premined coins from their list.  But what is their criteria for a premine?

Well it's easy to look at the code some nodes are running and see a hardcoded distribution before mining began.  Coins like ethereum, nxt, and plenty of others obviously have a premine in the code, while BTC, LTC, DOGE, plenty more, and yes even BCN do not.  However, this is not the whole story.

As more and more public coins were released, their creators used different methods to keep certain portions of the currency for themselves.  Some of these were referred to as a "ninja mine".  In this case rather than code a premine into the blockchain definition, they would simply mine the first blocks themselves before publicizing the existence of the coin.

And why not play these games?  There's no reason a priori why a premine or a ninja mine is fraudulent.  After all, the money supply is public.  If people still want to use the coin, then they are at least doing so with the knowledge available to them (unlike e.g. a fiat currency in which there is no way to verify anything about how many tokens have been issued on a given day).  There are many reasons given by various coin proponents that a premine is a positive thing, such as to fund development related to the coin, or to fund an ICO for an initial distribution.  However, an individual wishing to decide which coin to use might be interested in just how premined a coin is.  Well, how premined is your money?

There are two areas of potential interest here addressing the premine, one is how much money was premined, that is how much existed prior to a given moment in time - and the other is who got it.  For the purposes of this post, I will ignore the latter.  In other words, we will assume that if somebody who isn't you got the money, than it's part of the premine.  Sure, you'd rather Alice (and her friends) had it rather than Bob, but lets assume for now that this is a separate issue.

Quantifying premine via a scalar quantity is in fact not necessarily the right thing to do.  The proper way to look at a coin's distribution is to look at the entire money supply curve vs. time.  Some distribution curves seem fair early on and become more front-heavy later.  Others might start out ninja-mined but look more fair later.  But hey, we want numbers, and now!  So lets pick some parameters.

The simplest way to do it is to pick a time interval, and look at the endpoints.  In other words, we are going to compare two points on the money supply curve: one at some time, such as the present, and another in the future.  The method is very simple:

P=S0/S1

where P is our scalar index of premine, S0 is the money supply at some time T_0, and S1 is the money supply at some future time T_1.

Okay!  So, now for some numbers.

COIN      P0_1      P0_10      P0_30      P10_30      P30_100
BTC              0.96      0.79      0.76      0.96      0.995
LTC              0.90      0.61      0.65      0.92      0.994
LOG              0.93      0.78      0.71      0.906      0.902
ETH/ETC      0.89      0.44      0.21      0.47      0.35
DOGE      0.95      0.47      0.40      0.60      0.42
NXT/RIPPLE      1.0      1.0              1.0              1.0              1.0

Here we have calculated a premine factor for five different choices of the time interval. The first three begin with the present time and extend to one, ten, and thirty years in the future.  The next is the premine factor which one would find ten years from now, comparing to thirty years from now. The final factor is what one would find in thirty years, comparing to a hundred years from now.

The first thing we notice is that premine factors for coins like NXT and RIPPLE don't change regardless of the interval in consideration.  They remain fully premined.  One advantage of such a monetary supply curve is that there is never any supply inflation.  However, there is also no incentive for new miners to come in and secure the network.  This means there is also a disadvantage due to resulting centralization.

Another thing to note is that even though ETH/ETC has a hardcoded premine, it doesn't look so bad with our premine metric.  Why is that?  The reason is the infinite inflation schedule, with a fixed reward per block, just like DOGE.  In fact our shortest interval premine factor shows ETH/ETC as the least premined coin.  This looks good according to our metric, as we see that the premine factor for these coins is quite low, even in the longer time intervals.  However, the disadvantage is that there is no cap on the supply and a continual supply inflation.  This makes an effective demmurage and so long-term investors will be unlikely to hold these coins.

The difference seen between BTC and LTC is solely due to the delayed launch of LTC, as these coins share the same supply curve characteristics apart from a factor of four in absolute size.  As we consider later time periods, this phase shift makes less and less of a difference.

The first three coins in the table have a capped supply, and so the premine factor must always increase.  Other coins like DASH and XMR also share this basic pattern, and show a similar P_30_100.  However, the logarithmic supply curve shows its advantage quite nicely in this metric.  Even though the supply is capped and the inflation remains limited, there remains a far greater amount of coinbase to give out to future miners.

Coins like BTC, LTC, XMR and DASH will in another decade or three remain secure and decentralized only if transaction fees are large enough to incentivize miners, due to their coinbase reward dropping exponentially with time.  However coins with a logarithmic supply curve do not have an exponential reward drop but an inverse function.  This allows them to maintain long-term inflation free behavior without hitting an asymptotic wall of TX fee dependence.

[reposted from]
http://frass.woodcoin.org/addressing-the-premine/
306  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Woodcoin [LOG] Pure Skein, Logarithmic Release, X9_62_prime256v1 on: August 17, 2016, 04:49:01 PM

On other fronts, we have a working android wallet! 

OK, so it needs a lot of work cosmetically, which is in progress, but the basic receiving and sending with an android device has been tested! 

see current progress and download it here:

http://frass.woodcoin.org/woodcoin-android-wallet/


307  Economy / Economics / Re: Why not just print dollars? on: August 17, 2016, 03:02:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpW_KMHlAmo

Why borrow dollars and then pay back by printing them?

Why take the long way around?
I think this is an unlawful act. all actions that can harm a person can be punished.
I better work harder than making money by way improper.

The US can print dollar unlimitedly as it has the strongest military power in the world. You have to lend it to them.
.

You have the right idea but you assign agency to a non-actor.  "The US" doesn't print money - people do.  And yes, people print them on military bases.  If you are the general of a large military base and you aren't printing dollars there on the base, you are a fool. 
308  Economy / Economics / Re: What will be our new world currency? on: August 16, 2016, 02:46:42 PM
BTC is top of my list at the moment...

and maybe CNY(RMB) hv the chance too

what is cny? i thinm etheruem has a much betetr chance to be the second strongest, no other altcoin can match its capital, it's about 1 freasking billion, very high for an alt, only bitcoin is better

CNY aka 人民币  is a privately issued exchange commodity ( a fiat currency ) which currently has the largest user base on the planet as well as the largest circulation.  Just like its little sister the USD it is unverifiable and issued in unknown quantities at arbitrary times, according to the whim of criminals.  However unlike the USD it appears that those who issue it have some small regard for their future - investing some of the proceeds in infrastructure, in particular in southeast asia. 

309  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Woodcoin [LOG] Pure Skein, Logarithmic Release, X9_62_prime256v1 on: July 26, 2016, 06:23:39 PM
so, we are at 357 182... look like there was 3000 blocks stolen on the chain

Shocked 

Wow..  3000 block reorg?!?!   

Please report any double spends or unvalidated TX.  There must be some reason for this, as somebody put effort into it.. 

310  Economy / Economics / Re: Why not just print dollars? on: July 22, 2016, 05:49:59 PM
You can't print paper money without the specific material to do it... Cryptocurrency is a whole new revolution!
You are not going to be able to print Dollars it is a serious crime and you will need to know some serious people if you want to accomplish that.
You are just going to get your self caught because they can see it right away what is fake these day.

It's actually quite easy to see if it's fake.  Look for the words "US Dollar" or something similar written on the note , that's a clear indicator it's fake money. 
311  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Woodcoin [LOG] Pure Skein, Logarithmic Release, X9_62_prime256v1 on: July 22, 2016, 05:46:32 PM
any idea what could explain the increase of orphans in the last days ?

http://yiimp.ccminer.org/site/block?id=313

ive 8 connections, not enough ? takeover ? buggy v1.1 ? well, if not auto-resolved in the next days, i remove this coin from yiimp..

look like ive "sent transactions" which are not confirmed also, and i received some wood from the sky Wink

Orcs attack!!

lol!  there are definitely some shenanigans afoot. 

Since november there has been a "rogue chopper" who jumps on the network with massive power only when difficulty is below a certain level, and leaves when it increases..  and recently I have seen a few large reorgs suggesting a block-withholding attack by one or another hash whale.  However I haven't seen any TXes winding up unconfirmed..  let me know the details? 

I will do my best to convince folks to chop logs in a more civil fashion. 
In the meantime, your efforts to help us secure the network (and those of other public coins) are greatly appreciated!  Stop by #woodcoin irc sometime. 

312  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Woodcoin [LOG] Pure Skein, Logarithmic Release, X9_62_prime256v1 on: July 09, 2016, 01:43:31 PM


Karu Azgal Wutrogh Gorlm


Kind woodcutters, friends, comrades, and allies.  If you wish to be a part of the KAWG fund, please find instructions here. 

http://frass.woodcoin.org/karu-azgal-wutroth-gorlm/
313  Other / Archival / Re: . on: July 04, 2016, 12:39:18 AM
any left?  f7 please Smiley  thanks!
314  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Coincidence that Sun and Moon seem same size or God's work? on: July 01, 2016, 02:14:59 PM


You do not understand evolution at all... I will explain

Evolution starts with small, random changes...

If the change is beneficial, the person will live longer, and have more sex, more children, spreading their genes
If the change is not beneficial... the person will die sooner, and not have many children




Great explanation... assuming it's true, can you please tell me who is in charge of these small random changes?

Please do not mention chance because I've never seen a piece of iron evolve into a pin ALL BY ITSELF!

God is decentralized. 
315  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Child kidnapping by the Norwegian State on: July 01, 2016, 02:02:09 PM
This is not kidnapping. This is the value that the Norway gives to the children.

You can't abuse children in Norway...

Unless of course, you are the official regulator of child abuse.  In which case, abuse away. 

This is called "regulatory capture" and it happens everywhere that people put faith in uniformed gang members without recognizing the dangers of regulatory capture. 

I'm guessing this particular flavor is way more common in occupied North America.  I know half a dozen or so cases growing up here.  Even a wealthy doctor found with the wrong plants growing in the garden can have their kids taken.  Any type of claimed non-subservience to "authorities" is also plenty of reason to break up a family and create a fresh generation of mental illness.  Welcome to orcdom. 
316  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Woodcoin [LOG] Pure Skein, Logarithmic Release, X9_62_prime256v1 on: July 01, 2016, 12:41:59 PM
No miners for AMD yet?

Not that I know of.  I know at least one person who has put some attempt into it.  How hard can it be though?  We know AMD miners can skein because they X11, etc., right? 
Just a question of getting it to work. 

New pool however:  http://yiimp.ccminer.org/

317  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Oh Fuck! - This asshole published my private key! on: June 27, 2016, 09:22:22 AM
I stayed up until 3:30 am last night clicking addresses.  I must have clicked 3,500 addresses.  My wrist is so sore now.  But I know I'll find an address finally with some bitcoin on it. 

Anyone else trying some addresses?  It's like playing the lottery, but it is totally free!  I'm addicted. 


Thanks for posting.  I'm starting on page 3501 now.  Only 904625697166532776746648320380374280100293470930272690489102837043110633175 pages to go!!  

Get some rest and you can take over where I stopped in the morning.  
318  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Turing completeness and state for smart contract on: June 27, 2016, 09:02:12 AM
Interesting thread thanks Smiley  

Personally I think bitcoin script was already overly complex, I'd rather see things compartmentalized in accordance with unix philosophy.  Also keep in mind that contracts are conflict resolving tools, and as such fixing them with code totally misses the fact that conflicts arise due to circumstances unknown at first, which therefore haven't been coded for.  As such, they could only make business more difficult.  Even if somehow there was a magically trustworthy oracle.  

That being said, I could see the thing as more of a tool for decentralized automation.  Change the name and now it makes more sense.  But not a whole lot more.  When I think of automation I think of a project with a planner.. in which case - why the decentralization?  Extra useless overhead.  However I can' t immediately rule out the existence of a reasonable use-case somewhere like I can easily do for smart contracts.  

Add to this that ethereum has the economic distribution model of dogecoin and I'm not sure what's left.  I mean seriously, did nobody on that team consider that their coin would be around long enough that the money supply would matter?  
319  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Andreas M. Antonopoulos is "bullish on Ethereum" on: June 27, 2016, 08:34:53 AM

Any way, it is sometimes difficult to know what that author thinks because he is cryptic.

The word you are looking for is "senile". 
320  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is CHINA CONTROLLING Bitcoin? on: June 27, 2016, 08:08:35 AM
Lol!!  What a funny thread.  

It seems many of you believe that "China"  is some sort of thing that A) exists in a well defined way and B) is capable of controlling bitcoin.  

However none of you have the same ideas of what this thing is, some referring to it as "it"  others "they" or "them".  Probably a "she" in there too.  

Perhaps you are referring to people who read 中文 , that's a good number of folks who live in southeast asia, and all around the world, or those who speak 普通话 another good number (though quite a bit smaller number) of folks around the world.  

Or maybe you meant those who hold PRC passports, referred to as rich mainlanders.  Maybe you mean 北京人 as opposed to their rivals in 上海.  Or maybe you mean people from the republic of China (aka Taiwan).  

Or maybe you refer to a loosely defined group of people with similar phenotypical features they call Han people.  That's a fair percentage of the folks who were born inside of what Beijing people usually call the territory under some sort of control by "the party", another thing which by the way doesn't really exist apart from for show.

What does exist are people, people who may or may not choose to wave flags if they think morons will be thusly affected by the flag waving.  

Don't give any quarter to that idiocy.  Talk about people capable of action, not about fictitious persons like mickey mouse and uncle sam.  
  


 
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