Hey guys, do you plan to have an android app with full support (spending).
It would be very nice since I travel lot and do not want to take my workstation.
Kind regards.
I think I read mycelium guys are considering trezor support. After they implemented the necessary BIPs for HD and mnemonic, integrating https://github.com/trezor/trezor-android doesn't seem far-fetched. Don't expect satoshilabs to come up with more wallet software... they've done their part, I'd say (and pretty well, too). Division of labor! |
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For what it's worth, I got the trezor working with electrum by following the instructions posted earlier.
I had to install a half dozen python packages before it would actually start, but each time it would tell me what was missing. Then it recognized my trezor right away, and showed all the right addresses and balances.
I wanted to try to sign a message (since mytrezor.com doesn't have that functionality) but I couldn't get that part to work. Some error came from the QR code part of the app.
You probably also need to install the python-trezor module. I think a way to somewhat bypass the dependency hell is to use the installer: When I do that, it downloads all the necessary python packages (except python-trezor, which is only needed at run time). , not python-trezor. And it's electrum's issue where signing messages doesn't work. I am guessing it is some library version incompatibility or something. I don't really have time to investigate right now, but the issue is I'd click sign and it would just hang. The console would show a traceback, something to do with QR codes (which is odd because there is no QR code involved). I think he meant to do "python(2) setup.py install" in electrum directory. Did you do it there or only in python-trezor? |
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There are two potential regulatory issues:
1) The entities that issue shares onto the platform very likely need to comply with SEC regs. You can ask Erik Voorhees about that.
2) If the creators of the platform are known/public, aggressive regulatory enforcement could hassle them as well. I'm not saying it makes "moral" sense or whatever, just that it's entirely within the realm of things that can happen in reality.
#1 is a near certainty. #2 is untested, and so just speculation.
You could ask nefario (glbse) about #2. |
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For what it's worth, I got the trezor working with electrum by following the instructions posted earlier.
I had to install a half dozen python packages before it would actually start, but each time it would tell me what was missing. Then it recognized my trezor right away, and showed all the right addresses and balances.
I wanted to try to sign a message (since mytrezor.com doesn't have that functionality) but I couldn't get that part to work. Some error came from the QR code part of the app.
It's good to know my crude howto worked. I was hoping the installation of dependencies would be self-explanatory. Seems it is. |
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Out of interest: Say you were given the task of designing a portfolio to survive 1000 years, what would it be comprised of? I don't believe this is a valid question. We don't have the slightest idea what will be valuable 1000 years from now. I agree there will be no correct answer until those 1000 years have elapsed, but it's a perfectly valid question, giving insight into how the person answering thinks about wealth stores as long term contenders. Myself I would stack a portfolio to last 1000 years something like this as a starting point: 50% Precious metals. 30% Bitcoin. 20% items that may be considered valuable antiques by then ( I would have to think more on that one ). 1000 years? If the value is for me: my body will be gone by then. So most valuable will be some "hardware" for "me" to run on. Some processes by which "I" can exist. Maybe something like the ethereum blockchain and a religion around it to keep it alive and for providing sensing and actuation (humans and other means). If the storage of value is for my family or clan, cult, sect or whatever: I'd say education and sensible goals and principles for the group would be a good investment. Also means of production and probably more importantly intelligence and modelling, planning capabilities and mechanisms for acquisition and preservance of knowledge and skills. What the hell, quite a tangent... Do something weird and get your name into history. Or maybe just have children? |
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But I think, that it should be wise to drop "Bits Of Proof" if that's the "so called backend" and replace it with something more decent, perhaps "chain.com" can be a contender?
Unfortunately no other blockchain explorers understand BIP32 ... Is that necessary or even desirable? Is the root xpub uploaded to mytrezor.com servers for balance check? That's pretty bad for privacy, no? Yes horrible privacy, trezor has many mistakes like this that harms the product privacy. The faster electrum can get out of beta the better! you mean "myTrezor.com". |
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Out of interest: Say you were given the task of designing a portfolio to survive 1000 years, what would it be comprised of? I don't believe this is a valid question. We don't have the slightest idea what will be valuable 1000 years from now. I agree there will be no correct answer until those 1000 years have elapsed, but it's a perfectly valid question, giving insight into how the person answering thinks about wealth stores as long term contenders. Myself I would stack a portfolio to last 1000 years something like this as a starting point: 50% Precious metals. 30% Bitcoin. 20% items that may be considered valuable antiques by then ( I would have to think more on that one ). 1000 years? If the value is for me: my body will be gone by then. So most valuable will be some "hardware" for "me" to run on. Some processes by which "I" can exist. Maybe something like the ethereum blockchain and a religion around it to keep it alive and for providing sensing and actuation (humans and other means). If the storage of value is for my family or clan, cult, sect or whatever: I'd say education and sensible goals and principles for the group would be a good investment. Also means of production and probably more importantly intelligence and modelling, planning capabilities and mechanisms for acquisition and preservance of knowledge and skills. What the hell, quite a tangent... |
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But I think, that it should be wise to drop "Bits Of Proof" if that's the "so called backend" and replace it with something more decent, perhaps "chain.com" can be a contender?
Unfortunately no other blockchain explorers understand BIP32 ... Is that necessary or even desirable? Is the root xpub uploaded to mytrezor.com servers for balance check? That's pretty bad for privacy, no? |
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Now in electrum, go to tools -> plugins and enable the trezor plugin. Not sure if you need to restart electrum at that point. Might be necessary.
I followed all directions then went to enable the plugin. I can see the option there to enable trezor in the plugins list but it is grayed out and the checkbox cant be marked. hmm. strange, it's grayed out for me, too. The checkbox is unmarked and can't be marked. However, the trezor still works. Can you try if it works? I can confirm that it is now working. What I did was go to file/new and started a new hardware wallet, chose the trezor option with the trezor plugged in. The trezor wallet loaded up. I then went back to the plugin options and noticed that the trezor option was automatically checked and working on its own. strange, it's still unchecked for me but working fine. AH, I see: trezor has to be connected. Then the plugin is checked and not grayed-out... interesting. |
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Now in electrum, go to tools -> plugins and enable the trezor plugin. Not sure if you need to restart electrum at that point. Might be necessary.
I followed all directions then went to enable the plugin. I can see the option there to enable trezor in the plugins list but it is grayed out and the checkbox cant be marked. hmm. strange, it's grayed out for me, too. The checkbox is unmarked and can't be marked. However, the trezor still works. Can you try if it works? |
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Got a 1 m BTC, again.  1 m BTC? That is quite a bit... More than a transaction fee.  I suppose they send the BTC accordingly to bitcointalk rank/post number. I think it is more complex then that. I have seen a hero member post 4k+ addresses and each received a same sized input that a full member received for posting one address on the same thread. I would theorize that their algorithm takes into consideration something about the thread the address is posted on among other factors. I would be interested to see any specific research that anyone does regarding how the size of the "advertisement" is deteremined I have received such payments to addresses I have certainly never publicized (except in the blockchain of course) |
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so far history has repeated, so why should this be different? Im not saying it's mega pump time just yet, but I am saying the the slide has halted.
+1 |
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the pain seems high for many. Here's a little "rough guide" to using master branch of electrum with trezor for those inclined to try to access their funds: USE AT YOUR OWN RISK (use linux, on windows try cygwin maybe?) you might have to install some dependencies during the process. For python-stuff this can usually be done with "easy_install <name of dependency>" first install python-trezor lib. Open a shell (terminal) and do this: (don't enter '#>', that's the prompt). If you get "command not found" or similar, make sure you have git and python installed.
#> git clone https://github.com/trezor/python-trezor.git
#> cd python-trezor
#> sudo python2 setup.py install
#> cd ..
now get electrum sources from github and start electrum
#> git clone git://github.com/spesmilo/electrum
#> cd electrum
#> python2 electrum
It might tell you something about using pycc or something to generate icons. Just copy the line it tells you to execute and paste it into your shell and hit enter. Now in electrum, go to tools -> plugins and enable the trezor plugin. Not sure if you need to restart electrum at that point. Might be necessary. Then go to file -> new and setup a new wallet file by entering a name for the wallet file, check "hardware wallet", then "trezor" and follow instructions. I also suggest you go to Tools -> Preferences and check "show transaction before broadcast", that way you can double-check transactions before broadcasting them. BE CAREFUL, this is the development branch of electrum. Act accordingly and manage expectations. I've been using this for a couple of weeks now without major issues (well, I ran into one, but that's fixed thanks to stick and ThomasV) Hopefully someone will find this helpful. |
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Yes. It might be interesting to note that this process started to accelerate when Nixon took the dollar off gold. Sound money is peoples money. |
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The processing system is currently offline, data may not be up to date! [18471]
more than 5 hours
couple months now... doesn't look good, does it? any suggestions were to redeem rippleBTC? |
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Are we going up or what. Market has become so slow.
nah, sideways. meh. |
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Is it easy to set up to use with electrum? I have never used that client before... I have been waiTing to see whIch clients shOuld be easiest to use with Trezor, as I have jusT been using the web wallet for that portion of my holdings
It took me 4-6 hours of troubleshooting to get Electrum 2.0 working built from source on my Mac. I didn't try on Windows, but I imagine it is more difficult. If you're using Linux, it shouldn't be that bad, follow the "Development version" instructions here. You also have to have the python-trezor python module installed. Using it is as straightforward as Electrum with its own wallet, once you've satisfied the dependencies. People not familiar with a shell, git, python, etc should probably wait for 2.0 release binaries. Especially if on windows (just a hunch, I might be wrong, cygwin might help). |
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Danke für die Infos!
D.h. im Gegenzug aber eigentlich auch, dass der Tausch von BTC in einen anderen Coin und umgekehrt vom Finanzamt in diesem Fall nicht steuerrelevantes Ereignis eingestuft wurde, oder?
Leider kann man daraus nichts rechtssicheres ableiten. Vielleicht war der Beamte einfach nur zu faul. |
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I don't know about that site, but when I did "proof of existence" for some casascius coins, the process was different: proof of existence doesn't necessarily have to store the data in a readable form in the blockchain. In my case I just used the hash of an image as a private key and published a transaction to the respective address. This has the advantage that I can remove the money again from that address so I'm not polluting the unspent transaction output list with dust. It has the disadvantage of not actually having the data in publicly readable form in the blockchain (the private key (data) cannot be derived from the address). example: 
click for larger versionthe proof can still be conducted, but only with an unpruned full blockchain available. |
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Any eta on when BoP is going to be fixed?
I have not received a bug report from TREZOR that would imply a downtime of the magnitude claimed in this thread, therefore would be fair if it was not represented as a BoP issue. I have no information whether Satoshilabs filed such a bug report or not. To be fair, the issue might still be in mytrezor not using the backend correctly. Satoshilabs may have some more info and it would be nice to get this fixed instead of just restarting backends. Many occasions since owning the Trezor, it has been unusable for me. Fixing would be good. I know it's probably premature, but still: I recommend electrum (beta 2.0 until the final is out). I've been helping test it intensively (trezor and btchip) and I use it every day with trezor as my main wallet. |
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